UFO Video London

Jesus-tap-dancing-christ what is with this window fixation? I’m going to send the video maker a message and kindly ask him to take a picture of his window opened and then closed for us. We’ll see if he responds.

He will, but you gotta give him time. From what I hear his inbox is flooded with responses to this video. I personally would like him to sign up to Ats and tell us himself. I would love to hear what he has to say.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by DaMod]

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984


50-80lbs? Where do you get this ridiciluous figure? You could accomplish this hoax with a piece of glass used in greenhouses weighing less than 10 lbs. This could easily be held with duct tape! I'm sorry but you are living in cloud cucoo land with your figures. You mentioned edges but with a thin piece of glass and duct tape attached to the outside frame of the window you wound't have edges.

Where did I get that figure? From my experience with glass! 10lbs for a greenhouse panel? That wasn't glass, that was plastics, which mostly used are PEfilm and multiwall sheets. Greenhouse glass is EXTREMELY expensive, very heavy, and also, EXTREMELY brittle. The company I work for now doesn't deal with greenhouses, but my old company I worked for about 5-6 years ago did. Let me find you some info on greenhouse glass, since you don't really know what you're talking about.

www.rhs.org.uk...

Thats one site I found, but it gives you a brief description of glass for greenhouses. you could probably look more up, but thats a good description.

Again i state that you are like the person who invented the deck of cards, you would proclaim all magic tricks sorcery as you invented the deck and it cannot happen.

No, my friend. I'm more like the guy who got caught cheating at the casino, and now help monitor cheaters. I know about glass, I work with glass, I know specs, prices, weights, shapes, frames, windows, etc etc etc etc etc etc. Greenhouse glass is BRITTLE. Single layer glass is BRITTLE. ALL glass is HEAVY. Single layer glass is the lightest, sure. Insulated glass is the second lightest, and tempered glass is more then any kind of heavy you can think about. If its single layered glass, then he needs an extremely good frame that wont catch the wind, or that glass is broken. The weight of a single layered glass about the size of a 30/50 would weigh in around 20-40, that goes for greenhouse glass as well. Insulated would weigh 50-80, and tempered would weigh 90-150

Looking at that window on the left hand side of the video, i can tell you exactly what frame the window has as i have the same one. It's standard here in the UK, the plastics frames are all the same! There may be slight differences but they are cosmetic only. I can tell you right now that if i had the money and health i could easily pin a glass sheet from my greenhouse over the frame to my window, with the window open, clean it thoroughly and you would never know it was there. It's like when you see people run into glass doors on those home movies.

I know what kind of window he has. I already stated that back when I first posted on page 4, I think. Its a white, vinyl, casement window, that looks like a 30/50-30/60. And no, you can't just hang a greenhouse panel outside with duct tape, as its to heavy and much to brittle.

Shining strong lights off of clouds would also be possible but personally i doubt that one.

Lights off of clouds? You can get solid lights, that streak away from clouds? This isn't Gotham City here. Solid images to call up Batman don't just stay on clouds as clear as they do in the comics and movies.

I said you assume to much because you assume you cannot hang a thin sheet of glass forma window, i said assume because like you did here you assume the glass would weigh 50lbs! What world do yo ucome from! What absolute nonsense. Fifty POUNDS!?!?! Well i don't get how i put my greenhouse together and lifted all the panes myself, because i have trouble lifting 50 lbs.

Its not nonsense, its fact. All glass is heavy. Sure, some are lighter then other, but the lighter you go, the more brittle it becomes, and you need a more reinforced frame that wont blow in the wind, or your glass breaks on everybody below you. Get it? Again, you must of used plastic panes that aren't as brittle or heavy. What did you use to seal your glass with your greenhouse? What kind of bead did you use on the inside? I can almost assure you it was a plastic.

You are assuming something about this glass, maybe assuming the thickness that would be required for a hoax.

No, just all of the conditions that you haven't even taken into account.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by TravisT]

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
Jesus-tap-dancing-christ what is with this window fixation? I’m going to send the video maker a message and kindly ask him to take a picture of his window opened and then closed for us. We’ll see if he responds.

He will, and he's going to send me from the inside and outside. He's a very nice guy for the most part, but he wont let you post the images on the internet.


Look, this could very well be a hoax, sure. But I don't think its due to reflection on glass from the outside, or reflections off of clouds. Although, I would like to investigate more, then just calling it a hoax, and not understanding how it was accomplished.

Whats worse, the believers who automatically thinks what they see is real, or the hardcore skeptic that calls hoax on every video? Investigate all possibilities, folks.

I'm still trying to figure out how a reflection would be modulating at 400hz instead of 50hz or 100hz. Nobody seems to be willing to speculate on that one.

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Thank you trav for that. I think you pretty well summed it up there. There's only one thing wrong with your statement.

I was the first one that said it was a Casement window. DUH!

reply to post by Chewlip
Hi Chewlip,
You are quite right,(I had to stand up to see it properly on my LCD screen)
although,having another think,it may be possible that the camera is far enough to the right not to be able to see any of a viewing window frame,
while the other open window frame can be seen.
I still think the green lights are LED's however,
just like newer cars fitted with them,(not green)Audis and Renaults etc,
they are the only light source I can think of that are instantly on-or-off
No fade!

Originally posted by dainoyfb
I'm still trying to figure out how a reflection would be modulating at 400hz instead of 50hz or 100hz. Nobody seems to be willing to speculate on that one.

Yes, what exactly do yo mean by this? i saw some of you describe that, but I was unsure what you meant.

Do you mean that reflection normally are around 50-100hz, and solid objects are around 400hz? And what does this mean? Are you talking about how bright the light is? how did you guys come to around 380hz like you said earlier?

Originally posted by DaMod
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Thank you trav for that. I think you pretty well summed it up there. There's only one thing wrong with your statement.

I was the first one that said it was a Casement window. DUH!

I don't know, I know I said it on page 4, so if you said it before that, then I'm sorry. I just knew exactly what kind of window it was off the bat.

Originally posted by dainoyfb
I'm still trying to figure out how a reflection would be modulating at 400hz instead of 50hz or 100hz. Nobody seems to be willing to speculate on that one.

This would be a great time to bring this up because of what smurfy just said! What a coincidence!

It wouldn't.....

Originally posted by TravisT

Originally posted by dainoyfb
I'm still trying to figure out how a reflection would be modulating at 400hz instead of 50hz or 100hz. Nobody seems to be willing to speculate on that one.

Yes, what exactly do yo mean by this? i saw some of you describe that, but I was unsure what you meant.

Do you mean that reflection normally are around 50-100hz, and solid objects are around 400hz? And what does this mean? Are you talking about how bright the light is? how did you guys come to around 380hz like you said earlier?

Its due to that prismatic dissipation that i was talking about earlier. The light would spread out through the window whereas only a small percentage would reflect back.

I knew it was a casement window right off the bat too.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by DaMod]

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How did he find out it is 400Hz? I hope someone elaborates on this... Is that a good or bad sign?

Originally posted by DaMod
Its due to that prismatic dissipation that i was talking about earlier. The light would spread out through the window whereas only a small percentage would reflect back.

I knew it was a casement window right off the bat too.

Gotcha. Ok, well how did you guys come up with the measurements of hz from the video?

Originally posted by TravisT
Thats one site I found, but it gives you a brief description of glass for greenhouses. you could probably look more up, but thats a good description.

I'm sorry this is getting ridiculous. I did a greenhouse last year, it was not plastic. The plastic used here in the UK is generally perspex. We used glass panel around 2 feet by 3 feet. That is also the usual size of a windows side opening panel in double glazing. The weight of that size was around 10 lbs, i know that because i ordered that stuff. Quote all you like but i did this last year, i know what it was, i helped build it and i know the average sizes of the glass panes in the UK. Each window is different of course but we're talking a matter of a few inches difference on most houses.

Originally posted by TravisT
No, my friend. I'm more like the guy who got caught cheating at the casino, and now help monitor cheaters. I know about glass, I work with glass, I know specs, prices, weights, shapes, frames, windows, etc etc etc etc etc etc. Greenhouse glass is BRITTLE. Single layer glass is BRITTLE. ALL glass is HEAVY. Single layer glass is the lightest, sure. Insulated glass is the second lightest, and tempered glass is more then any kind of heavy you can think about. If its single layered glass, then he needs an extremely good frame that wont catch the wind, or that glass is broken. The weight of a single layered glass about the size of a 30/50 would weigh in around 20-40, that goes for greenhouse glass as well. Insulated would weigh 50-80, and tempered would weigh 90-150

Oh wait hang on, 30/50? Does that mean 30 by 50 inches? If so then i'm afraid you're sadly mistaken as to the dimensions of that window. Maybe we're passing a language barrier here but the window in the video looks like an average size of UK windows around 15/23 inches.

The panes in my greenhouse are around that size as i custom built it and again, during the installation of one pane i kept it in place with BLUTAK for a very long time. Hey you can ignore experience if you like but that is a fact i promise you. The windows are stil there as i look out my double glazing. They are that size, single layer, with a very think lip keeping them in their frame and yet they don't smash during rain, snow or anything else! the last time one broke was when the kids from next door kicked their football over and it plowed right through it.

Originally posted by TravisTI know what kind of window he has. I already stated that back when I first posted on page 4, I think. Its a white, vinyl, casement window, that looks like a 30/50-30/60. And no, you can't just hang a greenhouse panel outside with duct tape, as its to heavy and much to brittle.

Well i guess we'll have to disagree, my experience says otherwise. I only wish i had the money and health to climb a ladder and prove you wrong, because quite simply you are wrong, i have done similar things and you are wrong, i can promise you.

Originally posted by TravisTLights off of clouds? You can get solid lights, that streak away from clouds? This isn't Gotham City here. Solid images to call up Batman don't just stay on clouds as clear as they do in the comics and movies.

If you knew anything about ufology you would know that laser rock shows have been thought to be UFO's as the lights shine off of the clouds and look quite odd. I myself have seen it happen and if you didn't know there was a show going on you could easily mistake it for a UFO.

Originally posted by TravisT
Its not nonsense, its fact. All glass is heavy. Sure, some are lighter then other, but the lighter you go, the more brittle it becomes, and you need a more reinforced frame that wont blow in the wind, or you're glass breaks on everybody below you. Get it? Again, you must of used plastic panes that aren't as brittle or heavy. What did you use to seal your glass with your greenhouse? What kind of bead did you use on the inside? I can almost assure you it was a plastic.

We used a foam strip, placed on the outside of the glass with metal clips to secure it. As proof that this was glass, we dropped a pane and it shattered. This annoyed the hell out of me as it cost 30 pounds to replace it. That is pounds in the monetary sense not weight. If plastic can shatter into small sharp pieces and cut my forearm then hey it was plastic!

I'm getting tired of being told what i used, i ordered glass, from a company specializing in glass, in my local area that is renowned worldwide for it's glass! Imagine for a second, this was a second story window, it's not a skyscaper, the glass wouldn't have been damaged.

Originally posted by TravisTNo, just all of the conditions that you haven't even taken into account.

I'm sorry btu i'm going on my personal experience with glass and a local magician. You are thinking very narrow mindedly about glass you work with. Maybe you should try and read more about magic and what they use to fool people, you'll be amazed.

EDIT

THE SIZE OF THE WINDOW

I just want to clarify what you mean as to the size, forgive me for not understanding your terminology. He seems to be looking through the left hand small window which is around 15 by 23 inches. How much in your estimation would a pane that size, made of thin glass weigh? Just to clarify, thanks.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]

My thoughts............ At last, someone has managed to capture good footage of what is being seen all over the UK at the moment by a lot of people. Poor guy doesn't know what's hit him, thats evidence enough, he is no faker!

I wouldn't waste time discussing glass specifications and reflections, but instead now start trying to work out what the hell it is he's filmed. Because something which can accelerate away at that speed is certainly not your average Police helicopter or Chinese lantern.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by highlander2008]

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Some people think he has faked it using reflections from a glass pane, so discussing that is very important. Looking at it from all angles is the best way of determining the truth.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by PowerSlave
Just a split second before lift off(27 seconds in), I can see something stick up from the chimney. Its very quick and it looks like a long thin line, pointing up and slightly to the right, blink and it is gone.

It's just the result of the compression of the video and the stupid idea of resizing compressed videos.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/6d833ce81000448d.jpg[/atsimg]

I hate YouTube videos.

Right... I've just experimented shooting through by double glazed windows (casement for the US)

I had to use an ASA 800 and atleast 3 second exposure to get the lights a bright as the original video. Aslo I shot into the garden reflecting from the glass to catch my garden lights... Guess what. That was a 13 second exposure at 800 ASA..

I'll post the images in a few minutes so you can see the results.
Seeing as all the other EXPERTS can't or aren't bothered to see the facts....

Imaginereality..I'm sitting here looking through your typical bog standard double glazing window and the glass is nothing like perfectly *moulded* to give such a clear and flat projection. The imperfections in the glass are stunningly obvious at night where you can see every last little *bend and ripple* in it.

Thia is, in part, because glass is actually, scientifically a liquid, just an extremely viscus one. From the moment it is *set* glass begins to flow under simple gravity. This effect is pretty much apparent in all the glass used in your typical house window frame and makes standard glass, pretty much useless for the sort of chicanery you are talking about, particularly, under low light conditions.

Originally posted by DaMod
So this is a real Unidentified Flying Object(s).

Not if it's CGI.

P.S. Good beer is the only thing the world can agree on.

Wrong, I don't like beer.