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Europeans-- if the USA came under control of a tyrannical govt would you save us?

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posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

Originally posted by TheKingsVillian
reply to post by Seany
 


None of the countries within the “Empire” had a choice, just the same as world war one. More cannon fodder for the British meat grinder.


I was earlier accussed of American bashing which I wasn't. However, I don't think there's any way of mistaking the fact that you're British bashing. But if it makes you happy. . .



What a hypocrit! Mint, seriously, now you're just making yourself look foolish.
Read alllll your posts. Everyone of them bashes US, and Americans.
(unless you edited them)
You're a hypocrit. No offfense, LAD!

I like when you said: "I like America, I "holiday" there once a year, and have American friends."
Gimme a break chauncy|!|

Like saying.....

"I DO like black people! I had to sit next to one on the subway the other day." same logic.

This got off topic by your BASHING of Americans and the comments you made. Press rewind.

Again (you) with Battle of Britain. This is like beating a dead horse....


Britain was broke! London was demolished from all the bombarding!
WHo are you kidding?
You barely had pilots and even planes left to fly!
How, when and where were you going to defeat the Germans??????


Answer this then. If America NEVER got invloved in WW II, would the results be the same?

Yuh. Thank You.


I sniff a turncoat. You serve your own purpose in life. Period. .


......someone who would do anything to save his own skin, even if meant fighting for the right causes, freedom and rights! But you're more important than most people, or Americans, right?

That's what separates me from some1 like you.

Even if I had animosity, hatred towards you, I would still fight beside you, and spill blood for the cause.....Freedom......and rights, kid!!! It's what OUR country had to endure to become America! Brothers killing their own brothers, for the right cause.
Can you fathom that? Didn't think so.

I took an oath in 95, to protect this country from foreign AND domestic enemies. To this day.....I'm sticking to my guns, even if it costs me my life.
For me, it's a good death. F**k it. Atleast I'll die knowing I cared. That I cared about others, and the future of my children, and their children.....

you see......That's the part you'll never get to understand, completely, because you (like most Brits) don't have the "heart" to open your doors, to help others, or to break bread with your neighbor!!!!!!!

Just ask the Irish.


Complacent and self-centered like most of the sheeple.

The sooner you realize the UN is the cancer of the world, the better off you'll feel about your neighboring, or trans-Atlantic countries. Brother.

I really hope you have a change of heart.

*holding up IRISH whiskey...*

Cheers!




[edit on 27-4-2009 by Ben Niceknowinya]




posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Per the Canadian constitution, command-in-chief of the Canadian Forces is vested in the country's sovereign,[6] who, since 1904, has allowed his or her viceroy, the Governor General, to exercise the duties ascribed to the post of Commander-in-Chief, and to hold the associated title since 1905.[7] All troop deployment and disposition orders, including declarations of war, fall within the Royal Prerogative and are issued as orders-in-council, which must be signed by either the monarch or governor general

en.wikipedia.org...



So how did you "choose"?

[edit on 27-4-2009 by TheKingsVillian]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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the Govenor General is a Plum Post giving to Canadians who have usually done something prominent on the global scale for Canada.

If any of the Royal Family comes to Canada , they sre greeted by the GG

It is a tie to the Queen, but has no real authority , it is just a figurehead

appointment .

War will be declared and voted on within Parlimant



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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OK this is getting pathetic!

Most people who fought in WWII aren't even around anymore!
Most people who where mature enough then, in Europe, Britain, US or whatever, who where mature enough to understand what what going on BACK THEN aren't here anymore.
WWII belonged to a previous generation, the decisions that where made and the orders that where given also belonged to this older generation. There where lifes lost on ALL sides, all that's left is the information on those times, but...
Haven't you learned anything?

Think about the people that where ACTUALLY involved and what they have been trough instead of this childisch arguing about who was the great hero!
one thins is for sure, the hero: it wasn't you who is reading this!

Not to bash on Americans, but we all know that a large amount of your citizens are overly patriotic, even those who have no clue about history. Will you still be that way when your gov turns tyranic, like the scenario the OP posted?

and not to bash on Europeans, but we all know the horror of the war and if 'no one' had showed up to help us then Europe would be an entire different picture right now. Stop acting like babies who can't say thanks.
Or would you rather see a different history book on your shelves??

my two cents (for what it's worth)
stop acting like babies

[edit on 27-4-2009 by GypsK]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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I don't think it should be based on who helped who and when anyway. You have to take the situation for what it is today and act appropriately on that , not out of a perceived (or not) debt to be paid for events in the past . Authoritarianism and tyranny should be treated with antipathy by all . It's the type of people that would create such a tyranny that are the ones that set us apart in the first place , without them there would not be so much antogonism between nations. Underneath all that we are all much the same , we don't want wars, tyranny or discord , we just want peace and get on with one another. It's governments that turn people against one another.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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When World War I broke out in 1914, all Dominions of the British Empire, including Canada, were called upon by Great Britain to fight on her behalf.

Canada and the other members of the British Empire were automatically involved; they had not been consulted beforehand. On August 5, 1914, the Governor General declared a war between Canada and Germany.

en.wikipedia.org...




posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by GypsK
OK this is getting pathetic!


Not to bash on Americans, but we all know that a large amount of your citizens are overly patriotic, even those who have no clue about history. Will you still be that way when your gov turns tyranic, like the scenario the OP posted?



my two cents (for what it's worth)
stop acting like babies

[edit on 27-4-2009 by GypsK]


Nice post GypsK, seriously.

Your 2 cents goes a long way 4 me, atleast. Not every1 has the same opinions, it's what makes these forums interesting and time worthy/consuming. No doubt.

But I got heated from wise ass remarks that were made towards Americans, being dumb, whatever.........as a veteran (and a Patriot) I took it a little personal.

Like you said.....let's not forgt the fallen ones.

And to answer your question. Yes.

Like I said, I'm sticking to my guns......LITERALLY.!|



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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thanks

np, I take it a bit personal aswell when people attack my country... no one has the right (unless they have all the details
)

when I read all the bashing I was just thinking that, my great uncle, who was in the work camps during the war, he couldn't care less about discussions that are held 70 years later, all he cared about was surviving



[edit on 27-4-2009 by GypsK]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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The EU is becoming more tyrannical as is ours; I don't think Europe could save us this time. Maybe Japan or Russia.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by GypsK
reply to post by Ben Niceknowinya
 


thanks

np, I take it a bit personal aswell when people attack my country... no one has the right unless they have all the details


^^Unbelievable.


WHATEVER!..........go ahead and call us dumb STILL ^^^. and sticking out your tongue. I forgot, Brits are smarter, and have all the better "details."


You're all alike, and it clealry shows by all the input you've had on this discussion.

Sellouts.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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reply to post by Ben Niceknowinya
 

I'm not a Brit............
um sellout?



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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I think the flaw in the OP is the underlying implication that the European governments and the European people are the same thing. Obviously they're not. So the question "would you help us?", as if we would have a choice, is not really accurate.

The people of the UK did not want to join America in Afghanistan and Iraq, I believe. Yet British troops are there. Because the people didn't get to choose.

Similarly with the scenario you depict in the OP. The choice would not be ours.

However, knowing the general feeling about America and Americans in Europe, I can offer my opinion on what the public feeling might be if America came under a dictatorship. And it's not good news.

The last 8 years have destroyed America's credibility in the eyes of the world IMO. No one really has any respect or any affection left for America. Obviously there is empathy for fellow human beings, but as an entity, America is now pretty much globally despised, I think. America is only feared, including by it's allies. It's deeply unfortunate and I think it would take decades of concerted effort by the US Administration to undo this damage. But I don't really see that happening.

This is why I think that if America fell on seriously hard times such as described in the OP, the general public of the world, including Europe would react with a mixture of horror and satisfaction.

I suspect most people would feel like America is reaping what it has sowed. That it should have known better, should have seen it coming, but didn't. That America's mask had been stripped away and that what was always the case, and what the rest of the world always knew, is now openly seen to be the case, even finally by Americans themselves. Many nations of the world have long known that America was an Imperial Tyrant, because they were abused by America, but American's generally didn't see this and never believed it when it was pointed out to them. Thus, the world would take pleasure in seeing what is considered to be American smugness and boastfulness destroyed along with their fantasy self-image. The implosion of America would be the greatest show on earth and the world would be making popcorn. It's not everyday you get to see the "fall of Rome". "American citizens did not protect the rest of the world from 'America', but sat by while it became a monster because it didn't yet affect them, so why should the rest of the world save Americans from 'America' now that it is directly affecting them?", would be the attitude, I think.

Would that be my attitude? No. I'm fairly soft hearted and my cynicism gives way fairly quickly to empathy. But I do think that would be the attitude of the vast majority of the general public in Europe, and the world, for quite some time.

This would swiftly be followed by fear, of course. Europe already fears America, I think, at least we did under Bush, as many people felt like they were watching the rapid emergence of a Fascist Superpower and many resented the American public for allowing this to happen, and being such willing dupes. I think that's exactly what we were watching. Obama becoming President has eased fears somewhat in Europe, but America's relations with Europe are severely damaged and there is little trust. So, there would then be fear about what a superpower under a dictatorship would do next.

So, no, you probably wouldn't get any help, at least partly because the people of Europe don't get to choose anyway, and partly because many would just want to "watch Rome burn". That's my assessment, anyway.

PS. You guys have the guns, we don't. What excuse would American citizens have to allow their government to become openly tyrannical? You are one of the few nations on earth with the numbers and the weapons to ensure this doesn't happen. This is another reason why I feel there would be little sympathy if it did happen.


[edit on 27-4-2009 by Malcram]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Mintwithahole.

Originally posted by TheKingsVillian
reply to post by Mintwithahole.
 


It wasn't England who came and stopped the Japs from taking over Australia it was the USA.
So they saved us.


And if your granny had testicles she'd be your bo*****y aunt!!! SO what? All your doing is proving my point. America only got involved after Pearl Harbour. Seems to me you don't have much faith in your own countries armed forces? Don't you think the Australian airforce and navy could have stood up to the Japs?




Just goes to show how much you know about history.
The answer is NO! Not by a long shot! Japan had better Navy and Airforce.
You also stated that US got involved "after servicemen got killed over there."
Wrong again. It was a sinking on a cruise ship called Lucitania or something like that, (coordinated by the Allies AND the Germans).

*how bout that sanguich?*

Adesso ti rispondo anche in Italiano, cosi al meno non mi sento che mi ripeto, o' pure continuamo una discussione di cazzo, che non finisce mai.
Tanto, nella vostra storia avete sempre stati ignoranti di merda!
E tra questa discussione sara piu evidente che facete solo casino tra' l'altra gente, e tra il mondo. Non valete a niente di discudere piu, perche la faccia si vede, e mi pare che pieno di merda!
Volete chiamare tutto o' il resto del mondo "stupidi" e che la gente non hanno mai educazioni come i vostri. Indecente! Indecente!

Sai che ti rispondo: "Sta Minchia!"
E se vuoi te lo prendi anche in mano, cosi puoi vedere come mi si girano anche le palle. Bigolo.
Al meno il mio carattere e il mio sangue vero.

Meglio che vi facete i cazzi vostri. Traditori, pezzi di cornuti.
Salve!



[edit on 27-4-2009 by Ben Niceknowinya]

[edit on 27-4-2009 by Ben Niceknowinya]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Nope, sorry! No help from Holland, not to the rescue of the flesh.
Gee do you have any idea how SMALL our country is? It would be worse that David fighting Goliath.

My thoughts are with those who are the victims of their culture. All I can do is pray for you in US and send some Healing & Light Energy.

PEACE!



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by pieman
tell ya what,
we'll sit back and see what happens for at least 2-3 years and if, after 2-3 years, japan attacks one of our major ports, we'll send a small token force and some weapons.
then, after someone else has done all the hard work defeating tyranny, we'll spend the next 50 years boasting about how we saved your asses.


na, just kidding, if your government goes all tyrannical on you we'll impose sanctions and stop you importing medical and food supplies until your government collapses.


no, no, i'm just pulling your leg, what we'll do is support a rebellion or military coup by some even more tyrannical dictator that will do whatever we want him to do and insist that he set's up death squads to go around disappearing anyone who criticises the situation.


okay, okay, seriously now, we're actually more civilised than that, we'll just ignore you guys the same way we ignore everyone else.


This is a savage but brilliant post - although, unfortunately, I'm not sure all those it's relevant to will actually understand it. I feel tempted to explain each point you made LOL.

I think this precisely sums up what will be the general tenor of the response from the people of Europe to the US falling under an openly Tyrannical Dictatorship.

[edit on 27-4-2009 by Malcram]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by TheKingsVillian
 


We saved you all during WWII...

We even helped you Brits out...

So why not help us when these globalists reveal their true agenda to the public?

[edit on 27-4-2009 by Frankidealist35]



You did not save us, you joined in for profit and when you were attacked.

You guys made your choice quite clear, you fought against us...Rejected us, so its up to you what weirdo governments you pick.


I mostly agree with pieman

[edit on 27/4/09 by dawa]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:49 PM
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As a veteran,I was asked to make my opinion of this question known.

My honest opinion is our forfathers gave us everything for America to be strong till the end of time..If our country is ever faced with the hypothetical treason of the ''gubmint'' I wouldn't look any further than our own borders..This means if we as a nation cannot keep it from happening,why should we hope that someone else saves us..

Everyday we fight amongst our selves about gun laws,peta,the Sierra club..al this does is divide us as a people..If we as a whole look towards the common goal instead of firing vollys at each other cuz I like guns or I like to hunt,we would be working towards avoiding this hypothetical tyranical control..

So in a whole i would have to say is that we cant keep it do we really deserve it?But I know it will be a terribly long fight,bloody yes if it ever did that get like that..But I also think there are measures in place to keep it getting like that..



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:58 PM
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Just thinking about it, how tyrannical do you mean? :p


if its just evil " police state" but nothing much more than spying - then what i said above :p


If they start sending you all to death camps etc, the truth is im sure wed be there as fast as we could. Me included.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 06:09 PM
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To answer the OP:

I and many others would want to help Americans. Not because of WW2 oe any of that crap that anyone's banging on about, but because we lhate oppression just as much as you do.

But it wouldn't be up to us, it would be up to the British government. And they wouldn't listen to us because they'd be too busy watching your country for ideas for oppression. Whoever went to London to lobby at our government to take action would probably be met with a swift blow from a police-stick.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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Pfft, if we really were sick of the CCTV cameras, etc. Wed not have them, i dont mind them... in a PUBLIC PLACE i dont mind being watched, especially since theres thousands of other people there seeing me. If i didnt want someone else seeing me, im sure id be hiding in my house, going all pale and never venturing outside.

Im sure if they demanded CCTV in our homes, theyd be gone before you could blink.



[edit on 27/4/09 by dawa]




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