Plasma-based Lifeform/Intelligence possible?

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posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:53 AM
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This is a question. What about Plasma-based lifeform or even sentience, can they possibly exist?

I'm talking of the plasma found in stars, the diffuse plasma in space, around black holes, in nebulas, etc. Are they alive??

Because I've been observing Hubble Space Telescope images lately and they do exhibit life-like bacteria/virus appearance only on a much larger scale. Maybe if we watch them move or interact but that is impossible because it requires very long periods of time, thousands to billions of years.

[edit on 27-4-2009 by ahnggk]




posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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If somehow those nebulas can support lifeforms, those lifeforms could probably be the progenitor of all other lifeforms in the galaxy. The original sentient beings, you might say, all (or mostly) brain lifeforms.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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If you're really interested, you should check this website:
www.dapla.org...

Highly recommend it



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by GateCrasher
reply to post by ahnggk
 


If you're really interested, you should check this website:
www.dapla.org...

Highly recommend it



THanks and starred!



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 06:02 AM
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We have discovered non-carbon based lifeforms?
That's news to me. Got a link or something where I can read about that discovery?



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by scarystuff
We have discovered non-carbon based lifeforms?


Sorry my bad, I thought those microorganisms living in hot underwater vents and terrestrial vents are sulfur-based. Went ahead, searched and didn't any but this en.wikipedia.org...

Original post edited but otherwise, I'm not changing my take on hypothetical plasma-based life.

[edit on 27-4-2009 by ahnggk]



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 08:21 AM
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Compared with matter in the ground state, plasmas seem less able to acquire and hold structure, which seems to me like a prerequisite for the kind of advanced organization that living intelligence demands.

Still, I may be expressing the prejudices inherent in meat.

Gatecrasher, your link is a bit Captain Fantasy, isn't it?



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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Originally posted by Astyanax
Gatecrasher, your link is a bit Captain Fantasy, isn't it?


There are others as well, more trusted and credible:

www.indiadaily.com...

www.newscientist.com...

amasci.com...

So, no, I don't consider it Captain Fantasy



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:00 PM
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I find this to be a very important subject particularly in "light" of my observation recorded in this thread.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[EX]
At first it seemed to have a sort of triangular shape, still looking like a cloud wisp.

Then it came towards the sky over my head.

It then took the shape of a V at the front of it, only the left side of the V was very short while the right side of the formation was about 12 times longer, giving the shape similar to a cane, only with a straight angle rather than a curve.

As it passed, or glided over my head in a smooth slow motion I was able to see that it was actually a body made up of lights, like small stars or orbs. Almost snake like without the undulation.

It had a kind of fog like covering, or glow that still appeared as a bit of cloud wisp.

It simply "glided" over and kept going until I could no longer see it.

There were probably 7to8 "starlike shiny things" on the left of the formation and about 40to50 on the left side.[/EX]


I found some interesting followup in this reading.

blog.hasslberger.com...



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by GateCrasher
www.indiadaily.com...

The article is trash; a bunch of statements offered with no sources cited, no background information, not even a reasoned explanation for the conclusions stated. The source is a small-time, online Indian tabloid newspaper with an anti-Muslim, pro-Hindu political stance. Far from being credible, it's a filthy sectarianist rag. Here, this is the kind of ordure they normally publish:


How long can Indian cops stop Hindutva – the second phase of Indian independence? How long can Indian oligarchs stop Hindutva with the help of Islamic and Western oligarchs? Today millions of Varuns are ready to go to jail to make mother India free again.

India Daily editorial

Charming, eh?


www.newscientist.com...

This far more reputable source reports sceptically on some very confused experiments by physicists in, of all places, Romania...


Physicists have created blobs of gaseous plasma that can grow, replicate and communicate - fulfilling most of the traditional requirements for biological cells. Without inherited material they cannot be described as alive...

"The emergence of such spheres seems likely to be a prerequisite for biochemical evolution," says [the physicist who did the experiments]. That view is "stretching the realms of possibility," says Gregoire Nicolis, a physical chemist at the University of Brussels.

So no, no support for the Captain Fantasy theory here either.

And as for this,


amasci.com...

it's speculation - enjoyable speculation, admittedly. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the scenario you posted earlier, which was, I quote:


According to Jay Alfred's dark plasma theory, dark matter is composed largely of plasmas of super particles. Some of these plasma life forms have interacted with us in the past (intentionally or unintentionally). The entities that we have loosely identified as ghosts, angels, demons, deities (for example the Marian apparitions in the atmosphere), aliens (associated with UFO sightings in the atmosphere), fairies and sightings of the recently deceased (on the surface of the Earth) are all exotic plasma life forms from interpenetrating counterpart Earths.

This is not science. It's rubbish, I'm afraid. 'Dark plasma'?



posted on Apr, 28 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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But what about what I saw?

Rubbish?

I think not. I do realize eyewitness accounts without pics are pretty irrelevant to the seeker, yet don't discount it..............



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 03:30 AM
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I wasn't expressing any kind of opinion about what you saw. I do not doubt your word.

I was explaining to GateCrasher that the sources he was linking to did not offer a rationally convincing argument for the existence of plasma beings. The first was to a crank site, the second a dodgy Indian newpaper, and of the other two, one merely speculated about the thesis and the other was a sceptical report in New Scientist about some strange claims by a Romanian physicist.

Plasma beings may exist for all we know to the contrary. However, the links provided offer no evidence to support the idea that they do.

I doubt they exist on Earth, anyway. What you saw could be any number of things - an alien spacecraft, some atmospheric phenomenon, a Sign from God - who knows?



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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For what it's worth, I met a 'being of light' in 1992, following the hurricane Iniki on the Island of Kauai. Just today I realized (the reason I'm posting here now) that the being was made of plasma, yet had a humanoid form, about my size (6'4").

I placed my fingers on a plasma sphere today, and noticed that the color of my fingers was precisely the color of the being. Also, plasma doesn't shine it's light upon other objects with the intensity of an incandescent, and this is precisely what happened when witnessing this being (it was yellow). It had dark eyes though, which appeared to be nothing more than openings that you could view the universe in. I met it at 3 in the morning in complete darkness other than the starlight.

I'm not sharing this to 'prove' to you that this happened. Obviously, I cannot. I only know that it did happen... and thought it might be a clue in some of the speculation/research being done.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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anything can be possible out of our own bondaries



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences!

Explanation: Starred and Flagged!

If we are just talking nebula's and possible comet tail plumes and therefor a more low temperature /pressure gasseous entity as opposed to an ionic high temperature /pressure plasma entity then I believe that we could possibly model them via bose-einstien condensates and factor in the changes in scale for both space/time and various variations in the force carriers at play! I'm not saying that consciousness can't exist in plasma's but I think it would be extremely hard to model and test!

Personal Disclosure: You reminded me of an old orange covered penguin sci-fi story by Sir Fred Hoyle called The Black Cloud.

P.S. [NOTE:- P.S contains possible book SPOILER!
]I personally loved how the classic master to student lesson [i.e it has to do with how full ones cup of water is when recieving wisdom
] was used as a twist at the end of the story! Philisophically it totally supports the Popper view OVER the Kuhn view!



posted on Sep, 1 2009 @ 04:07 AM
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Ah goody, the dark cloud was mentioned.
So all thats left for me to do is to answer the OPs question "Yes, possible"
and to mention dragons egg by robert forward

en.wikipedia.org...

And isn't it funny how all those "blows your mind ET, this really happened stories" are incredibly mundane when you put them next to science Fiction? Hard Science fiction. 60ies and 80ies hard science fiction?



posted on Sep, 15 2010 @ 09:46 PM
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Found this on the webs. In toto, bullets would not be your best defense againt these critters.



The Magnetic Plasma Bodies of Aliens, Ghosts, Angels and Deities

The appearance and characteristics of the bodies of aliens, ghosts angels and deities show marked similarities and suggest that they are composed of the same substance - magnetic plasma. Magnetic plasma, besides generating electromagnetic fields, is a good conductor of electricity and radiator of electromagnetic waves.
1. Emission of Light and Colorful Auras

Unlike our physical bodies which are visible because of reflected light; angels, ghosts and deities emit light as a result of interactions between particles in their bodies and high energy particles in the environment — similar to what happens in auroras and inside fluorescent lamps. This is why angels, ghosts and deities glow brightly in the dark. The aura that is radiated by these higher energy entities is generated in the same way that an aurora is generated. In the case of an aurora, electrons passing through space are captured by the Earth’s magnetic field and follow spiral or helical tracks about the magnetic lines of force and in the process collide with gases in the neutral atmosphere generating the aurora. Similarly, charged particles (popularly referred to as particles of 'qi', 'prana' or 'kundalini' in the metaphysical literature) are captured by the electromagnetic fields of the bodies of angels, ghosts and deities; which then flow down (or up) twisted magnetic (helical or spiral) lines of force into their higher energy bodies generating colorful auras as they react with the particles in the environment and in the subtle bodies. Furthermore, their bodies are also 'thermochromic.' A thermochromic body produces color changes in response to the heat generated by electrical currents within the higher energy subtle bodies.

2. Features Associated with Magnetic Plasma

Angels, ghosts and deities also have features associated with the Sun. This is not surprising as the Sun is a big ball of magnetic plasma. Coronal auras and discharges, granulation and spicules are all features associated with the Sun and magnetic plasma bodies. The coronal aura is even more pronounced for angels and in apparitions of saints or deities. Coronal discharges and flares can occur suddenly on the Sun. The various particles that are discharged, together with these flares, are carried by the Sun’s plasma wind to cause magnetic storms on Earth. Similarly, the coronal auras of saints and deities blast-out particles that may have a harmful or positive effect on the observer’s body. Spicules are short-lived phenomena, corresponding to rising jets of gas that move upward and last only a few minutes on the Sun. Spicules can also be seen in the coronas of angels, ghosts and deities.

3. Balls of Light

The natural stable shape of magnetic plasma bodies is ovoid. The membrane of this ovoid may be transparent. Within the ovoid, composed of low density magnetic plasma, a holographic thought-form may be generated. On May 13, 1917 a sudden strong wind on a calm day startled three peasant children out of a game they were playing and they saw across the valley a dazzling globe of light, like a miniature Sun, gliding slowly towards them. As it approached, the ball of light gradually resolved itself into a brilliantly shining young man. According to the children they saw "a light whiter than snow in the shape of a transparent young man, who was more brilliant than a crystal struck by the rays of the Sun." When internal frequencies change, magnetic plasma can become translucent or transparent (this is a natural property of magnetic plasma). In other words, the opacity of the bodies of angels, ghosts and deities can be manipulated electromagnetically – allowing the bodies to apparently appear, disappear or fade away. Ghosts, angels and religious figures have frequently been reported to be transparent or translucent and casting faint shadows. This betrays the fact that their bodies are composed of magnetic plasma. Ghosts also have been reported to be in the form of vortices (like a moving cyclone) or vapor. All these forms are compatible with descriptions of magnetic plasma and its dynamics.

4. Passing through Objects

Being composed of low density plasma, ghosts can pass through you, walls and other ghosts. They are composed of 'collisionless plasma' - just like Earth's plasmasphere. This is also a characteristic of collisionless dark matter. Ron Cowen says, "Evidence indicates that when speeding fragments of dark matter meet, they don’t collide as other matter do but pass right through each other, ghostlike." According to plasma metaphysics a lot of dark matter is in the form of a plasma of super (i.e. supersymmetric) particles and objects. You are unlikely to 'collide' with ghosts but electromagnetic effects can be felt if their bodies glide near or through your own magnetic plasma body. There could be changes in frequencies (which correspond to changes in energy levels) and distributions of charges over your own subtle magnetic plasma body.

5. Electromagnetic Nature and Radiation of Long-Range "Radio" Waves

In encounters with ghosts, lights may go on and off without any mechanical change in the position of the light switch. Similarly, messages may appear on a computer screen without any movement of keys on the computer keyboard. Some have even claimed that broadcasts of various beings residing in parallel planes have been transmitted and received by television. This is not inconceivable — considering that ghosts have magnetic plasma bodies which are good radiators of electromagnetic waves, analogous to long range radio waves. When these waves are modulated by the thoughts of the owner, telepathy can take place. The radio waves become part of the remotely-sensed electromagnetic spectrum of these bodies - just like visual, infrared, or ultraviolet emissions. This allows these entities to communicate their mental and emotional states to human beings through our higher energy (magnetic plasma) bodies.

6. Appearing and Disappearing

The bodies of these entities are generally not composed of standard particles (i.e. particles that are currently known to Science and included within the physicists' 'Standard Model'.) They are composed of much higher energy super (or supersymmetric) particles and objects. These higher energy particles cannot be observed by scientists currently - using particle accelerators which can only probe lower energy particles. Human beings or animals that use the sensory systems of their higher energy bodies can see these plasma-based life-forms. Alternatively, higher energy entities can 'step-down' the frequencies of the waves they radiate intermittently; intentionally or unintentionally; thereby becoming momentarily visible to those who are sensing them through their physical-biomolecular bodies. In these cases, these ordinarily invisible entities composed of dark matter become temporarily visible to most of us. The frequency of electromagnetic waves is related to its energy. As the energy of the body (particularly bodies in the lowest energy plane – which is usually referred to as the 'physical-etheric' plane by metaphysicists) drops, the body becomes visible momentarily in our low energy world.

7. Changing Appearances

The psychological states of angels, ghosts and deities can modify their appearances in an instant. A being which is depressed would appear differently from one who is happy. From a dark evil-looking appearance, an entity can be transformed to a bright and beautiful angel in minutes when the internal psychological state changes. Changes in psychological states can change the brightness, clarity, shape and colors of the thermochromic bodies of angels, ghosts and deities by effecting changes in the electromagnetic field of the body. The holographic thought-form generated within the ovoid also changes if another persistent thought-form replaces the current one. Since your own magnetic plasma body radiates electromagnetic waves, an entity can also change its appearance in accordance with your expectations by tuning into these frequencies.

Conclusion

There is much evidence that ghosts, angels and deities are composed of magnetic plasma. Once this is accepted more widely, a more rigorous scientific framework can be formulated for the study of these entities. This framework will significantly increase our understanding of angels, ghosts and deities and may even allow us to communicate with lower frequency entities in the near-future.

© Copyright Jay Alfred 2007





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