CONS: Exposing The Fraud of the "No Plane Theory" -- Conspiracy Fakery, page 6
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reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 08:42 AM by Nonchalant
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Or maybe the govt is smarter than you think? Maybe they put that thinking out there in the hope people like you would believe it? I mean we all know the govt are dumb fuks but are they really? Are those that work to generate & influence general thinking (who are also no doubt paid huge sums of money to do so) really a bunch of morons?

Maybe. Or maybe its we that are the dumb *Snip* because all we argue about & discuss is that which doesnt matter because the main line of govt generated thinking is widely accepted?

Maybe the jokes on us?

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reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 08:47 AM by mister.old.school
Originally posted by Nola213
Fire does not melt steel my friend, if you cannot understand that, there's nothing I can do for you.

I'm unclear how you would assume my points were related to fire/steel. No such assertion has been made or implied here.


The sheer enourmity of cicumstantial evidence pointing to LIHOP, or MIHP is overwhelming. Surely someone of your intelligence can see there aresome fishy things that took place on that day, and the following weaks?

The material presented in the opening post was limited to the purposeful deception contained in the videos create by those perpetuating the "no plane" fraud. Simply because I seek to expose the "conspiracy fakery" of that group, one should not infer my opinions of other aspects of the 9/11 attacks.


Just confused at how someone with your insights cannot see all of the suspicious activities, from money gains, war propoganda, to media callusion/ and straight disinformation.

You appear to be making the fatal mistake of many of the people in the extremist sects of "9/11 Truth" and related activism/extremism. And that mistake lies in assuming someone who refutes one small outlandish subset of suppositions therefore rejects all possibilities of subterfuge. This is not the case.

I believe there are extensive "conspiracies" related to criminal involvement of aspects of business/government and that our energies are best spent on realistic topics.

I also am firmly of the opinion that many "conspiracies" we see online are purposeful obfuscation -- either from pitiful individuals seeking attention (similar to UFO hoaxes), or as clandestine efforts to inject the discussions with pandemonium.


reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 10:51 AM by sotp
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Star for you! I'm not a believer of the official version, but I've said before that the no-planers are ruining any chance we have of convincing people that something's not right about 9/11. No plane? No brain more like! If the attack was a set-up, surely the perps wouldn't risk something going wrong with any holographic technology. It would be simpler (and cheaper, no doubt) to just use real planes would it not?

It really is one of the most ludicrous ideas I've ever heard!



reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 11:24 AM by jmdewey60
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. . .an interesting two part discussion between sound engineer Ace Baker (another NPT advocate) . . .

That guy is who got me into making 911 videos. He is very annoying to watch and he attacks people for supposedly making fake videos. The stuff he uses for making horrible accusations against people are things that can be easily disproved. Too bad no one has ever sued him.
No planers, if I am allowed to call them that, seem to have rather caustic personalities. They will make full use of their abilities of deleting any negative comments posted on their videos. By negative, I mean making statements of facts that go against their so-called evidence. When people delete them, or ban them, they like to complain about censorship. They do not detect any hypocrisy in their own actions, whenever they have any tiny bit of power. My way of getting back at people like Simon Shack is to make my own videos. I never delete any comments of people ridiculing my videos. I am always happy to discuss actual facts and have been given some good advice from time to time. Now there are others who do not want to hear actual facts.
Let's say someone makes a video that says, "Here is evidence that these videos were really made by a computer making composites. You can see this building that keeps moving. It is doing that because they goofed up or something." Just ridiculous because I happened to be looking at the same video and using Photos to work out different angles and had run across the same phenomenon. It happens because when you use a telephoto lens, and are looking at distant objects, it flattens everything out. So, you have a bunch of buildings piled up on each other and you think they are somehow all close together. If you take the trouble to actually identify the buildings and locate them geographically, you can see why they seem to behave the way they do, on the video. Instead of being next door, one is a mile and a half away. When you move the camera thirty feet one way or another, perpendicular to the the direction the camera is pointing, the closer building changes its position, relative to the further away buildings, a lot more than the ones that are more local to what your target is.
So I write all this stuff out and post it on this crazy video. The owner of the video messages me and says, "I am giving you ten minutes to prove what you are saying or I will delete your comments." I message him back with all the technical stuff and then he deletes it, anyway.
This is rather lengthy and may be a little personal, but this is my experience with one of the main actors in this theory. The guy says, "I have to protect my research". What research? When confronted by real research, they have to hide behind something. In this case, a video with all kinds of comments from sycophants telling him how great he is.


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reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 01:06 PM by rickyrrr
Originally posted by infoliberator
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
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Thanks mister.old.school for this excellent presentation.

Of course this whole NPT business has been nonsense to those of us who were there in person on that day and watched United Airlines Flight 175 hit the South Tower.

No amount of digital trickery will ever erase those images.


You mean, people who saw holograms, who believed they witnesssed airplanes that cannot fly into and penetrate a steel building????


The cross section of the building at the surface of impact was more than 75% glass. Just because the building has a steel frame does not make it "impenetrable". For something to have come out the other side, something must have penetrated.

-rrr


reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 02:34 PM by rationaluser
reply to post by Insolubrious


Uh huh so let me get this straight on September the 11th people go to work they get in there cars and drive people walk on the sidewalk then they look up to SEE thats right SEE a Hologram on a SUNNY MORNING do me a favor buy a decent projector and try and project it on a BLACK surface never mind a WHITE surface outside on a sunny day and see what you get the very idea that the planes were holograms is ridiculous i doubt even military projectors can project images of planes on to buildings without light reflecting off dust.



reply posted on 27-4-2009 @ 05:58 PM by antimatter21
reply to post by mister.old.school



wow, why so much effort to debunk something that does not matter anyway. The point is clear, no matter what hit or didn't hit the buildings is irrelevant. The point is why.
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