reply to post by Gawdzilla
So, why doesn't God heal amputees, then? Good people who lost limbs for reasons not their fault pray for them to be restored and God ignores them?
It's almost as if he just isn't there.
Because in the grand scheme of things, we are here on this earth inhabiting these bodies(shells) for the blink of an eye. These bodies get beat up,
worn out, old, wrinkled, and we eventually leave them behind. Not only that but God is also experiencing the amputees, the cancers, the dying. Losing
limbs and sickness is part of the risk of being "here". Just like driving to work includes its risks as well.
IN reply to Tailoredvagabond:
Forgive my blaspheming now, but the world is safer without men or women like you either in power, or tyring to convince others that YOUR proof is all
they proof THEY need - which in this case includes me.
Lol, that's fine. That's the last thing I would ever want is to be in power. Though its funny that Socrates himself said that the only kind of
Government that would work would be the kind ran by spiritually awakened philosophers. (hey he said it)
I don't try to convince anything. If someone asks me, I tell them I experience God daily. If they want to know more then o.k. I read about Jesus
experiencing God, followed his footsteps, and now I do to. That is always there for those who want that.
You obviously dont. Thats fine. I still love you and know that inherently behind the masks, the real you is awesome!!!!! I dislike wars, religious
arguing, and big egos. Catch me in the country somewhere meditating under a tree. If you want to say hi, be my guest. And if you want to experience
God, you can too. Its there for everyone.
People who claim God speaks to them directly without proof are, and have always proven to be - ultimately dangerous in society, be it through their
actinos or the actions of others claiming to be acting on their and their God's behalf. Period.
Yes this is part of the "worldly system." Someone who speaks truth about God, Love, Peace, must always be destroyed. Did it to Jesus, did it to
Ghandi, did to buddhist monks, mystics, etc. The "world" does not want to hear about God, its busy being selfish, screwing everything with 2 legs,
drinking, doing drugs, fighting over power/money, and being religious(which also has all of the aforementioned things within it as well).
I agree religion is crap, but the truth that's hidden in religion is AWESOME!!!!
So you'll forgive me being a a lapsed Agnostic, if you will - and unashamedly so.
Hey man, I accept you totally for who you are, and love you unbiasedly. So forgive me for my statement that "I experience God daily," for that is
pretty much my only living reality. It's there for anyone if they dig deep enough.
....you know everything do you, since you flat out claim know God so well??? You argue my point for me (the 'dangerous' one). Well done.
Mr. Bond. Thing is you misunderstood me. To experience God, you have to do so without the use of limited faculties (mind is limited, personality is
limited, and senses are limited) But there are higher faculties within us that most are unaware of.
What you take to be "me" proving "your point" was a "mind" misunderstanding. Take off all the masks and God is there. The ego is false. The mind
thinks it is "I". Who is it that is aware when there are no thoughts? Its rather deep stuff, I wouldn't expect you to get unless you've studied
these topics. If you do, that's even better. Just remember logic and reason is limited. Just like eyes can't see everything in the visual spectrum,
and the ears can't hear all frequencies, and so on.... and yet God is all around you and in you, right under your nose, closer to you than your own
And no, I don't know everything, but can experience many things. God is one of them (or call him/her/it Infinity)
In reply to moocowman:
Why oh why would I, the supreme intelligence the creator of all that there is make it difficult for anyone to understand me ?
Its technically not that difficult. Its just that the eye cant see itself. The same "eye" that allows you to be aware of your mind, body, senses, is
the same "eye" with which you can experience God. I know cryptic. Basically know yourself, who you really are, seek God and you will find. Closer
than your own breathing.
Its "us" that make it so difficult to understand. So many limited faculties are in the way
You come across as an intelligent enough kinda dude and not religious in the traditional sense, I just can't quite fathom how the bibles of are any
use to you.
Well the Bible has been useful to me because there are deeper transcendent things in there that only come to life and can be known after
enlightenment. Before enlightenment, its just a bunch of words and concepts you wrestle with. After enlightenment, the New Testament "Breathes"
transcendent knowledge. Then as you go deeper into Enlightenment and towards Union with God, then there is stuff in the Bible that if you told a
"regular" church going Christian about, they would look at you perplexed and have no idea about.
Thats because it works in tiers. The deeper you go into higher spiritual faculties, the more mystical the Bible becomes and it guides you through
these experiences. Secret knowledge so to speak. Of course it parallels what others have said in other paths. Also the gnostic gospels start making
sense, like in gospel of Thomas Jesus is speaking about non-duality. Very deep matters.
I hear where you are coming from, a lot of Christians are obnoxious even to me. Some even saying I'm wrong. Yet when I ask them about the deeper
mysterious of experiencing God, they have no clue except to spit out conceptual words. But the ones that are the closest to the truth and being like
Jesus are the ones that Love unconditionally, don't judge others, don't bash others, don't act like everyone in the world does (though that doesnt
mean they are perfect, we all still battle with vices vs. virtues) its an ongoing process. If you simply just Love others, that's the ultimate way to
Be. Through Love, the mind is subdued and mastered(instead of ongoing random thoughts of the monkey mind syndrom), all the vices become controlled.
You become master of self, instead of a slave to aspects you think you cant control.
Bible is like a bunch of transcendent pointers. You read it with the heart, not the mind. The mind is already biased, separating things, has opinions,
thinks it is the "i", and a bunch of other blockages. Though it is used to understand things "intellectually, logically, and reasonably," its also
used to allow certain things to penetrate the heart and open up the mystical realities that are waiting for you to see for yourself. Go within, see