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Topic started on 26-4-2009 @ 11:51 AM by thefreepatriot
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Fort Detrick disease samples may be missing Originally published April 22, 2009 Army criminal investigators are looking into the possibility that
disease samples are missing from biolabs at Fort Detrick. As first reported in today's edition of The Frederick News-Post by columnist Katherine
Heerbrandt, the investigators are from the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division unit at Fort Meade. Chad Jones, spokesman for Fort Meade, said
CID is investigating the possibility of missing virus samples from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. He said the only
other detail he could provide is that the investigation is ongoing. Fort Detrick does not have its own CID office, Jones said, which is why Fort
Meade's CID was brought in. Jones said he could not comment on when the investigation started. CID is responsible for investigating crimes where
the Army is, or may be, a party of interest, according to the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command website. USAMRIID is the Army's top
biodefense lab, where researchers study pathogens including Ebola, anthrax and plague. In February, USAMRIID halted all its research into these and
other diseases, known as "select agents" following the discovery of virus samples that weren't listed in its inventory. The institute's
commander, Col. John Skvorak, ordered research halted while workers conducted a complete inventory of the institute's select agents. That inventory
is nearly completed, though the exact end date isn't known yet, said Caree Vander Linden, USAMRIID spokeswoman. Vander Linden said she didn't know
about the CID investigation and referred questions to the CID's head public affairs office. There is no indication whether the CID investigation is
connected to USAMRIID's re-inventorying of its select agent stocks.
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Samples of Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis were discovered missing last year in an inventory of a group of samples left by a departing researcher, said
Caree Vander Linden, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick. VEE occurs naturally,
typically in horses and mules, though it can also make humans ill, she said
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Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus is a mosquito-borne viral pathogen that causes Venezuelan equine encephalitis or encephalomyelitis (VEE). VEE can
affect all equine species, such as horses, donkeys, and zebras. After infection, equines may suddenly die or show progressive central nervous system
disorders. Humans also can contract this disease. Healthy adults who become infected by the virus may experience FLU-like symptoms, such as high
fevers and HEADACHES. People with weakened immune systems and the young and the elderly can become severely ill or die from this disease. The virus
that causes VEE is transmitted primarily by mosquitoes that bite an infected animal and then bite and feed on another animal or human. The speed with
which the disease spreads depends on the subtype of the VEE virus and the density of mosquito populations. Enzootic subtypes of VEE are diseases
endemic to certain areas. Generally these serotypes do not spread to other localities. Enzootic subtypes are associated with the rodent-mosquito
transmission cycle. These forms of the virus can cause human illness but generally do not affect equine health. Epizootic subtypes, on the other
hand, can spread rapidly through large populations. These forms of the virus are highly pathogenic to equines and can also affect human health.
Equines, rather than rodents, are the primary animal species that carry and spread the disease. Infected equines develop an enormous quantity of virus
in their circulatory system. When a blood-feeding insect feeds on such animals, it picks up this virus and transmits it to other animals or humans.
Although other animals, such as cattle, SWINE, and dogs, can become infected, they generally do not show signs of the disease or contribute to its
spread.
www.cbsnews.com...
"My chest just hurts and I have a shortness of breath," one senior said. "I have a few HEADACHES. My ears were hurting me earlier but they're OK
now. My HEADACHES go in and out."
If you notice from the above news release the missing vials are
Venezuelan equine encephalitis,which have been missing since LAST YEAR.. Characteristics of Venezuelan equine encephalitis are flu like symptoms and
HEADACHES..Also notice that it also infects SWINE and the primary transmission method are mosquitoes which infects all equine animals...It is now
spring and the mosquito population is now growing in full swing...... April and May is the official beginning of Mosquito season... So watch out!!!
stay indoors, and avoid eating pork or cattle .Also if you must go out stay away from indoor populated areas. Mosquito season officially starts this
month and May in New york according to NYC health department, www.nyc.gov... Is this another Coincidence? with
the now new outbreak in Queens????????? I strongly believe the primary transmission method is mosquito bites,nonetheless I would eliminate pork and
beef from diet until the situation is back under control!
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 11:53 AM by Tentickles
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 11:56 AM by uplander
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I read in the news that those horses died from a medicine mix up. They were poisoned accidently. That's so sad, huh?
As for the swine flu, I have no idea what to believe about it right now. I think they truth about it will come out, but not very soon.
Who knows?
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 11:57 AM by Tentickles
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Originally posted by uplander
reply to post by Tentickles
I read in the news that those horses died from a medicine mix up. They were poisoned accidently. That's so sad, huh?
As for the swine flu, I have no idea what to believe about it right now. I think they truth about it will come out, but not very soon.
Who knows?
That is horrible! Poor horsies.
I dont know what to think of it either. If it gets worse then I will form an opinion on it. Spanish Flu 1918 anyone?
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:00 PM by thefreepatriot
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Very interesting!!! I live in south florida!!!!! I will investigate, from what I understand it is still a mystery as to why they died!!! A possible
piece to this puzzle...... Mosquito season was also in full swing when those horses died(I know i already had multiple mosquito bites)
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:04 PM by Chadwickus
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The vials went missing, believed incinerated from now until sometime before 2004.
Please can we think a bit before we get all caught up in these things?
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:08 PM by SaveTheDrama
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Exactly where do you get the information to come to the conclusion you used in the title?
As far as the horses, it was reported that they died because of a supplement given to them that was not properly prepared. No virus there.
People are worked up enough about the swine (not equine) flu , without these sensationalized thread titles.
My two cents.
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:10 PM by thefreepatriot
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chadwuckus... the the key word in your statement is "believed to be" and if you noticed the virus does meet the characteristics of the current
epidemic... Also if you notice mosquito season is now in full swing ...I believe the primary transmission method is via mosquitos... Do yo have any
other theories you would like to add based on the current information thats out there? as they say its better to be safe then sorry ...
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:11 PM by thefreepatriot
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read the characteristics of the missing virus and compare to the current epidemic, you need to do more then just read the title
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:17 PM by SaveTheDrama
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I read both, and the title of the thread is not what is presented in the opening post you provided.
So this is a hunch of yours, that's fine, carry on with your research 
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:21 PM by thefreepatriot
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Ya call it a hunch......... too many coincidences here... the only way too know for sure is for you or me to our hands on a sample from a patient...
and have it tested... which off coarse is never going to happen....
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:32 PM by thefreepatriot
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
The vials went missing, believed incinerated from now until sometime before 2004.
Please can we think a bit before we get all caught up in these things?
Chadickis according to this news article they have been missing since last year... ??
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:34 PM by Chadwickus
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Swine flu isn't mosquito borne, the only similarities are the flu like symptoms.
You need more to connect the two.
Also, I doubt we would have even heard of the lost vials if it was known they created an outbreak.
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:42 PM by thefreepatriot
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I just posted more connections to the virus that went missing from Fort Derick.(headaches). As a matter of fact Swine Flu is spread via respiratory
system(correct me if wrong)...From pigs to humans... do you think it is likely that the virus jumped from pigs to humans in an industrialized
area...??? or more from mosquitoes? Pork is also always well cooked.... the chances of infection from consumption is low(never documented)..again
please give me any theories you may have..if you have something... So far the media has failed to give us the primary transmission method... What are
your thoughts?
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:43 PM by Chadwickus
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Originally posted by thefreepatriot
Chadickis according to this news article they have been missing since last year... ??
All it says is that the vials were recently discovered as missing, no dates.
Some more information:
The vials contained samples of Venezuelan Equine Encephalitis, a virus that sickens horses and can be spread to humans by mosquitoes. In 97
percent of cases, humans with the virus suffer flu-like symptoms, but it can be deadly in about 1 out of 100 cases, according to Caree Vander
Linden, a spokeswoman for the Army's Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases. There is an effective vaccine for the disease and
there hasn't been an outbreak in the United States since 1971.
edition.cnn.com...
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:50 PM by thefreepatriot
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Swine Influenza (Flu)
Source CDC
Swine Influenza (swine flu) is a respiratory disease of pigs caused by type A influenza that regularly cause outbreaks of influenza among pigs. Swine
flu viruses do not normally infect humans, however, human infections with swine flu do occur, and cases of human-to-human spread of swine flu viruses
has been documented. See General Information about Swine Flu.
From December 2005 through February 2009, a total of 12 human infections with swine influenza were reported from 10 states in the United States. Since
March 2009, a number of confirmed human cases of a new strain of swine influenza A (H1N1) virus infection in the U.S. and internationally have been
identified. An investigation into these cases is ongoing. For more information see Human Swine Flu Investigation.
Swine influenza virus (referred to as Swine influenza viruses or SIV) refers to influenza cases that are caused by Orthomyxoviruses endemic to pig
populations. SIV strains isolated to date have been classified either as Influenzavirus C or one of the various subtypes of the genus Influenzavirus
A.[1]
en.wikipedia.org...
Swine flu infects people every year and is found typically in people who have been in CONTACT with PIGS, although there have been cases of
person-to-person transmission.[2] Symptoms include fever, disorientation, stiffness of the joints, vomiting, and loss of consciousness ending in
death.[3] Swine influenza is known to be caused by influenza A subtypes H1N1,[4] H1N2,[4] H3N1,[5] H3N2,[4] and H2N3.[6]
In swine, three influenza A virus subtypes (H1N1, H3N2, and H1N2) are circulating throughout the world.[citation needed] In the United States, the
H1N1 subtype was exclusively prevalent among swine populations before 1998; however, since late August 1998, H3N2 subtypes have been isolated from
pigs. Most H3N2 virus isolates are triple reassortants, meaning that it contains genes from human (HA, NA, and PB1), swine (NS, NP, and M), and avian
(PB2 and PA) lineages.[citation needed]
In order to get infected from the "swine flu"t he virus would have to jump from pig to human... this is unlikely even in a rural area, imagine an
industrialized area such as New York City??? Very unlikely that it came from consumption... Pork is usually well cooked (everyone knows this).. All
the cases happened nearly simultaneously from very different regions,... From Mexico , To New York and happen to coincide with the start of mosquito
season.. Swine flu is not spread via mosquitoes but between close contact with infected swine... again highly unlikely in NYC...
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:50 PM by Chadwickus
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Swine flu has been transmitted to humans many times before.
The most recent was 2007:
2007 Philippine outbreak
On August 20, 2007 Department of Agriculture officers investigated the outbreak of swine flu in Nueva Ecija and Central Luzon, Philippines. The
mortality rate is less than 10% for swine flu, if there are no complications like hog cholera. On July 27, 2007, the Philippine National Meat
Inspection Service (NMIS) raised a hog cholera "red alert" warning over Metro Manila and 5 regions of Luzon after the disease spread to backyard pig
farms in Bulacan and Pampanga, even if these tested negative for the swine flu virus.
en.wikipedia.org...
So it's not new, we don't fully know how resilient the strain is yet.
But I'd hazard a guess, like most flu viruses it has adapted to get around our immune system.
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:53 PM by awake_awoke
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Greetings from south florida!
Our polo horses were killed because either the vet or the company they used to create the non-FDA approved horse vitamins messed up the dosage of
certain ingridients, probably selenium. Apparently the died quite quickly after ingesting them.
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 12:58 PM by thefreepatriot
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I agree... it has happened before, however for it to happen in industrialized areas where contact with pigs are low is very improbable, Notice alll
cases have happened nearly at the same time? and if in fact it was transported there would be a lag time between cases due to incubation period.... I
say its more likely the people where infected from there region... and in order for that to happen in NYC chances are none it was from direct pig to
human contact.......so that leaves us with an alternative transmission method... and the best one I think that fits the bill are mosquitos as we are
now officially in mosquito season... and the missing vials contain a virus that not only affects swine, horses and humans.... but is spread via
Mosquitoes............... the only way for sure is to get our hands on a sample and test it..
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reply posted on 26-4-2009 @ 01:00 PM by thefreepatriot
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very sad!!  I can't believe the vets would mess up like that! I love horses... too me they are amazing animals... and for them to end like that
really saddens my soul
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