Former Obama supporters, what changed your minds?

If there is one thing that ats does for its members is help them to deny ignorance! As one of the millions of Americans that was in full support of Obama, I wonder how many of you here were once believers in the hope of change?

As I have mentioned on other threads my "awakening" was taking place during the primary season, so I was still swallowing the swill from the MSM like it was gospel. I did all the things that he asked his supporters to do even giving a few dollars out of my social security so I could be part of the "movement". I made calls, did voter registration and the whole 9 yards!

My first red flag was his FISA vote, but I chalked that up to a cooperative and moderate stand on the issue. How dumb was that, but I was certainly not the only one to go for the explanation.

I have seen him doing more to harm our way of life than any former POTUS in only 100 days more or less. (Well okay, George and Dick did their fair share too lets not over look that one) I went from a firm supporter, to someone that was deeply concerned and disappointed in his performance. UNTIL I saw this thread...www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am now furious that I supported this man and was responsible for doing what little I did for him. The same people that he sold his dream to, the same people that were so excited to have a black man as president are the very ones this will effect the hardest....the black community. For now anyways, once they have an excuse to put Martial Law out there then this will effect all of us.

So.....all of you former Obama supporters, share with me and us what is was that opened your eyes to the reality of the change he promised.

If you haven't viewed the Obama deception I suggest you do. It is available on youtube and is well worth the time to view it. red

I am so bummed that there has not been any response. I could care less about points but I really did want to have an open discussion with other former Obama supporters.

Certainly I am not the only one whose eyes have been opened.

reply to post by redhead57


I was looking forward to seeing responses when I saw the title... I don't have anything to say though because I was not a supporter of him. I hate hate hate to say this, but one of the reasons I didn't support him really was a gut feeling. One cannot say I am a racist by any means, I voted for Keyes, and if Rice ran, I would have voted for her. Not sure if I will vote anymore anyway. I hate to feel that way. Good thread topic though. I wish it got more attention too.

reply to post by redhead57


I know this was posted a long time ago but I'm glad I've found others like me.

The moment I started becoming suspicious was much later than I would've liked. Ironically, I was a fan of the Rachel Maddow Show. One time, she had the courage to discuss Obama's stance on prolonged detention, something that I don't think other liberal MSM outlets were willing to report on. Then after that, I saw Jeremy Scahill talking about drone attacks in Pakistan the same week that Obama gave a "peace" speech in Cairo. There was a shrill woman arguing with him about the need to protect our nation blah blah blah and I thought, "wow, it's like the Bush years all over again." Now I no longer watch anything on MSNBC and Bill Maher except when Ron Paul is on.

From that point on, I started questioning everything. I saw this documentary about Ralph Nader which really made me think about the whole left/right thing and whether or not it's an illusion. After a few months, I became politically unaffiliated and started reading books about economics. Ron Paul kicked off that reading list but since then I've read Hazlitt and watched videos by Peter Schiff.

Sometimes I wonder if I would be happier if I was still drinking the Kool-Aid, like the rest of my friends (I live near NYC). It's frustrating to see other people not wanting to see the truth for what it is. I mean, don't get me wrong, I didn't like Bush. But you don't have to be a genius to figure out that Obama isn't really that different. It's difficult to accept that most well-meaning and intelligent people just don't WANT to know the truth. They're willing to accept everything they're being told and somehow I'm the strange, eccentric contrarian for asking questions.

reply to post by redhead57


i supported him, and still do... as a person.

the thing that has changed for me is my overall perspective of leadership, community and government.

we do not need a federal government. they serve no purpose and provide no value to the people. they all need to go. i believe we have lost all sense of how powerful we are as a people. we need to come together within our communities to make all of our lives and communities awesome. with pride and respect. and with a love for life and each other. we need to welcome and help anybody who would like to share our communities with us. see them as an asset to our lives and communities.

we all need to step up with respect and pride and honor and power. every single one of us. and see ourselves, and each other, as leaders. leaders of our own lives, of our families and communities and planet. we need to want to make our lives and communities beautiful, prosperous and full of fun and joy and love... together. because we are proud to and want to.

we need to drop the whole mine versus yours, competition, attacking, too big to fail, greedy and controlling, a lot for a few, whatever we have leading us today.

that is what has changed for me.. and it has little to do with obama.

CNN reported only 4 out of 10 people would relect Obama.

I supported Obama. Untill the health care debate November 09. He didnt even want to hear from the GOP.

2 Months before that. My in laws wanted me to read Glenn Becks book Comon sense. I agreed I would read it if they would read Obama Audacity of Hope. I blazed thought Comon Sense, great book. I started to watch the Glenn Beck show.

I want to say I really belived in Obama. But now, I belive he will go down as the worst presdent ever to server America.

I wanted to throw a shout out to Glenn Beck. Thank you for what you do. You have made me a better man.

reply to post by redhead57



I was so tired of the last 8 years under George Shrub I fell for the hypnotic laced BS spewed in the election .

I am a firm believer of the bill of rights and constitution and the rule of LAW !

I has unhappy with the Progress in Afghanistan and never thought we should go to Iraq . Unhappy with the creation of the patriot act and the expansions of the patriot act. I did not like how cozy our that administration was with big oil private contractors in Iraq getting no bid contracts to rebuild the country . Then hired guns XE formally Blackwater hired to do security . The start of the bail outs gitmo and a list of other things.

Along comes obama out of left field he wasnt a Washington crony. He said everything I wanted to hear . Bails outs are wrong we shouldn't be in Iraq . All these executive orders would be gone over to see it they pass constitutional tests. Would look over the patriot act and refine whats out of line . He would have a open and transparent administration .

I was just like a big Old catfish at the bottom of a lake someone drops a big hunk of chicken liver in from of me and I take the bait hook line and sinker. Thats how he got my vote last time . aint going to get it next go around .

Where is the transparency he promised things that were open are being classified his past has been covered up . Congress is making deals to pass bills . He came in and brought along board cronies from Chicago and else where what happened to bringing on board Republicans like was stated .

We have bail outs still going stimulus packages . He rubber stamped Georges Shrubs executive orders 99% of them instead of narrowing the Patriot act bills and laws are being passed and signed to increase the shrinkage of freedoms.

He acted like he really cared what American said and wanted .

Pfft He cared long enough to get elected then blank them.

If this election was like a business he would be charged for fraud since most of what he sold me on was a LIE !

The far right has actually convinced me to vote for Obama again.

Each time I see a thread started on here about how Obama is a Socialist. With zero actual proof to back up that claim, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Each time I see a thread started on here about how Obama is the Anti-Christ and is going to devour everyone's soul, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Each time I see a birther thread started on here, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Each time I see a thread on here blaming the POTUS for something that the Congress does, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Why?

Because if he pisses off the fringe right so much, then he must be doing something right.

See if the far right stuck to just going after policy, going after hard facts, they probably could convince me to not vote for Obama again, but, they don't, they lie, they make up facts, they smear, they shovel so much complete BS that, it's impossible for me to trust ANYTHING they say against the POTUS.

[edit on 7/25/2010 by whatukno]

Originally posted by whatukno
The far right has actually convinced me to vote for Obama again.

Each time I see a thread started on here about how Obama is a Socialist. With zero actual proof to back up that claim, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Each time I see a thread started on here about how Obama is the Anti-Christ and is going to devour everyone's soul, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Each time I see a birther thread started on here, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Each time I see a thread on here blaming the POTUS for something that the Congress does, it makes me want to vote for him again.

Why?

Because if he pisses off the fringe right so much, then he must be doing something right.

You never run out of ignorant things to say do you?

You would put your faith and 'hope' into someone just because they piss other people off?

WOW.

No wonder this country is the way it is.

Thats like me saying..

"Oh, I hope Obama gets re-elected in 2012 so that when this nation crumbles, it will be on his dime, and I can then laugh at those on the left".

Sorry to be the one to tell you this but...WE ALL LOSE, because of your inability to have honest judgement. It will be YOUR FAULT, when this country hits the crapper because YOU refuse to listen. Just as long as it pisses your countrymen off, thats all that matters to you.

Oh , but as long as you feel better about making everyone else mad, thats all that matters.

You didnt drink the Kool-aid, you served it.

You just made whatukno's point. You cropped off the bottom of his post and twisted what he said to make your argument. This is what the right does, instead of dealing in facts. People are sick of it.

reply to post by Common Good


Did you miss this part?

See if the far right stuck to just going after policy, going after hard facts, they probably could convince me to not vote for Obama again, but, they don't, they lie, they make up facts, they smear, they shovel so much complete BS that, it's impossible for me to trust ANYTHING they say against the POTUS.

Of course you did, that's part of the problem isn't it?

Thank you for proving my point so well.

Awe, how cute. You two gave each other stars for that 'wonderful moment'.

Honestly-I didnt even see that last paragraph at the time, so I appologize(if it was even there at the time, cause Ijust simply hit Quote-I didnt tamper with anything.)

I also did NOT 'twist' anything he said. He typed it, not me.

But since you insist..

You want to talk about failed policies and just plain out failure as a president?

HEALTHCARE
IRAQ
AFGHANISTAN
cap and trade
Using the Gulf Oil Spill to promote Green Energy - instead of cleaning it up
guantanamo(still openfor buisness)
Cash for clunkers Hah!
Response times to emergencies(worse than bush)
unemployment(all time high)
failure to secure borders
throwing more money on 'the war on drugs'
his hiring of criminals as advisers
non transparancy of government
Raised the national debt more in the past two years than any president before him(in all terms)
Increased racial tensions around the country
has NEWS COMPANIES WORKING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSEto fit HIS Agenda
Wants to give illegals citizenship
bailing out banks
giving the ok to the CIA to kill American citizens without trial or due process
....I can go on and on.


And it has only been two years. Now I know the list should be much longer, but I think that should be sufficient enough.
But you dont have to worry about any of that. You will be his best friend, even when he destroys this country.





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[edit on 25-7-2010 by Common Good]

reply to post by Common Good


Sure, let's talk about these so called failed policies.

HEALTHCARE

He did campaign on it, in fact it was one of the issues that made me want to vote for him in the first place, I really see no problem with it. I know the right has massive problems with it, but again, they have problems with everything. It's not perfect by any stretch, but it's a damn good start.

IRAQ

It's winding down, candidate Obama had no idea what it would take to scale down a war like Iraq. The failed policies of the Bush era didn't help matters any.

AFGHANISTAN

He promised during his campaign to increase troop levels in Afghanistan. It's interesting that the right was all for the war as long as Bush was in charge, but put a Democrat in the white house, wow, where were y'all the last FREAKING 9 YEARS?

cap and trade

Yep, I wonder how much the US government could have gotten off of BP if Cap and Trade was implemented?

Using the Gulf Oil Spill to promote Green Energy - instead of cleaning it up

They ARE cleaning it up. BTW, how is that "drill baby drill" stuff working out for ya?

guantanamo(still openfor buisness)

Where should we send the POWs? No one wants them.

Cash for clunkers Hah!

Would have worked well if Americans bought AMERICAN. But Americans chose to buy foreign which isn't this administrations fault.

Response times to emergencies(worse than bush)

No one can be worse than Bush.

unemployment(all time high)

You can thank the ineptitude of the last administration for that mess.

failure to secure borders

Neither did the last administration, or the one before that, or the one before that, or the one before that.

throwing more money on 'the war on drugs'

Prove that.

his hiring of criminals as advisers

It's DC, they ALL are criminals.

non transparancy of government

He's been far more transparent than Bush was.

Raised the national debt more in the past two years than any president before him(in all terms)

Bull!

Increased racial tensions around the country

That's the MSM and right wing Bigots like brettbart.

has NEWS COMPANIES WORKING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSEto fit HIS Agenda

Do I have to mention FOX?

Wants to give illegals citizenship

Better than the Right Wing alternative of kill em all.

bailing out banks

That was the last administration, man you are confused. Obama bailed out the auto industry, not the banks TARP was signed into law by Bush, not Obama.

giving the ok to the CIA to kill American citizens without trial or due process.

Prove it.

reply to post by whatukno


So its ALL Bush's fault?

hahahaha

I didnt see that one comming.


BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH.


Guess what.

I didnt vote for Bush. And as much as I hate to bruise your ego, I am NOT a republican or a part of ,as you say a "far right".

But since I dislike this administration as much as them, I guess you can throw me into their category.

reply to post by Common Good


Well, you are parroting everything the far right is complaining about. Your post looked like the right wing bull agenda they have been pushing for the last two years.

I could be mistaken. After all, you didn't call him a socialist or the Anti-Christ or brought up the birther nonsense.

reply to post by whatukno


You wonder why nobody will debate with you? It is because there is no debating with you. You have your mind made up already. No matter what anyone says, you will be there to defend this man.

You wanted examples, I gave you examples.

After that, it was all about Bush.

So he can NOT be held accountable, just because the last administration was S@!#.

Im glad that not everyone on the 'left' is falling for his BS, and it is showing by his poll numbers. People are waking up to the fact that this administration is no better than the last, and that we have a long two years ahead of us with an out of control congress, and an inept president.

You wonder why there is so much hate against the government right now?Its not because this country is being run by a black man, its because it is being run by a man who doesnt know what in the hell he is doing.
But the left, all they can do is use that whole racist card, and say anyone who disagrees is racist, or is 'out of touch',BECAUSE they have No other excuse to use.

They really cant come out and say "well the right, they just want to see real change'. Now can they? That would ruin everything they have worked oh so hard for! So the whole racist thing works well with them, eventhough it has already started to wear thin like BPs casings.

reply to post by Common Good


The Right doesn't want to see any real change, that's the problem, they just want to bash policy without thinking about it at all.

Yes, a lot can be blamed on the previous administration, why? Because the previous administration did a lot of things to screw up this country. And the folks on the right went along with it so, so, willingly.

I am not gonna go into the whole race thing, after all that's a pointless argument on either side. But what I will say is that when you blindly hate someone, it's just as bad if not worse than blindly following someone. Now, when you talk about the POTUS and you say he is to blame for the bank bailouts, when it REALLY was the previous administration, or you talk about unemployment when it really was the previous administration, or you talk about bills that CONGRESS has the lions share of the fault for, and you blame this administration, you just look like an ass.

Sorry, many of us are just sick of this blind raging hate for this president with little actual facts to support it. Get some real issues that you don't like about him, forget the stuff that the PREVIOUS administration is really to blame for, and really tell us what the facts are.

You don't like cap and trade, well, there's a point that you might have some validity on. But you have to round out your argument, just blindly hating cap and trade because this administration supports it is stupid.

Healthcare is another one, a lot of people didn't like this bill. There were parts of it I did not care for either, but what did the right do? They lied, they told everyone that if this passes grandma was going to die, they told everyone that if this bill passes that the sky was going to fall and Satan was going to walk the earth. Give us facts or quit whining.

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by Common Good

 

The Right doesn't want to see any real change, that's the problem, they just want to bash policy without thinking about it at all.

- Thats a pretty BROAD statement. Everyone on the right or just some?

Yes, a lot can be blamed on the previous administration, why? Because the previous administration did a lot of things to screw up this country. And the folks on the right went along with it so, so, willingly.

-yea, I already know Bush is evil. But Obama is Little Nicky.

I am not gonna go into the whole race thing, after all that's a pointless argument on either side. But what I will say is that when you blindly hate someone, it's just as bad if not worse than blindly following someone. Now, when you talk about the POTUS and you say he is to blame for the bank bailouts, when it REALLY was the previous administration, or you talk about unemployment when it really was the previous administration, or you talk about bills that CONGRESS has the lions share of the fault for, and you blame this administration, you just look like an ass.

-bank bail outs...Tarp money... its all the same. It ALL goes to them, and none to us. BOTH administrations did this. And I condemn Both of them for doing so. You dont just dump money on top of your problems and think that everything is going to be just fine. Its Moronic.(and yes the bank bail-outs were Bush)I made a mistake. Take me to court.

Sorry, many of us are just sick of this blind raging hate for this president with little actual facts to support it. Get some real issues that you don't like about him, forget the stuff that the PREVIOUS administration is really to blame for, and really tell us what the facts are.

-Little facts? I gave you a list of them..and that wasnt even scratching the surface of what I could have written down. That was a 'brief' summary of Some of his most "stupidly" moments.

You don't like cap and trade, well, there's a point that you might have some validity on. But you have to round out your argument, just blindly hating cap and trade because this administration supports it is stupid.

- You made that assumption that I just "blindly hate it cause this administration does". Your words, not mine.

Healthcare is another one, a lot of people didn't like this bill. There were parts of it I did not care for either, but what did the right do? They lied, they told everyone that if this passes grandma was going to die, they told everyone that if this bill passes that the sky was going to fall and Satan was going to walk the earth. Give us facts or quit whining.

-Its funny you say that, cause I remember the exact opposite. "If we dont pass this bill, we will kill all these puppies" crap comming from not only his fat mouth, but the entire left wing. THEN, they had the audacity to try to ram it through, WITHOUT READING IT. No Suprise There. HURRY HURRY HURRY. Why the hurry? what did they have to hide? Well, by the looks of the bill, Im sure our great great great grandchildren will feel the effects of the hidden crap in that bill.

And I am done with this exchange.

Sleep well, and lets hope by later on this evening we dont have yet another war with NK. I dont think our troops can handle anymore of the BS. Not for these bastards anyway.

I first supported Obama until the Public Option was dropped.

I told myself that Obama can screw up whatever but as long as he accomplishes these 3 things he will get my vote in 2012.

1. Public Option
2. Immediate Withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan by early 2010
3. Ending the Patriot Act

And he failed on all three of them! That's not too much to ask for is it!?

He was elected as the most liberal president since FDR and turned out to be no more liberal than that failed president Jimmy Carter. He made far too many bipartisan efforts to Republicans that weren't going to vote for his legislation anyways.

Foreign Policy: He has continued the war machine, bloated military budget, weak diplomatic efforts to bring back friends, was too friendly with Israel, continued to fear monger against Iran, and did not bring our troops home A.S.A.P!

Civil Liberties: He has continued Domestic Spying, FCC television regulations, eased up on gun control, did not fight for campaign finance reform, has now permitted assassination of citizens, did not give amnesty to illegal immigrants, and did not push for a more secular government.

Social Policies: He did not pass gay marriage rights, did not pass euthanasia rights, did not end 'don't ask don't tell', did not end public prayers, and did not expand hate speech to include gays or disabled.

Economic Policies: He did not give us a Public Option, did not raise taxes on the wealthy high enough, did not establish a VAT, did not establish Fair Trade, did not bring back the manufacturing center, did not guarantee 99 weeks unemployment benefits, did not raise the minimum wage high enough, did not pass a large enough stimulus, allowed banks to give out bonuses, gave bailouts to big business, did not nationalize the Federal Reserve, and did not expand the social safety net.


Now I was not expecting him to do all of this, but I was hoping he would at least address most of these issues, which he did not.

[edit on 7/25/2010 by Misoir]