Our Aryan Heritage: Learn about your real spiritual heritage

Just for fun :

en.wikipedia.org...

Aryan (IPA: /'ərɪən/) is an English language loanword. As the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language states at the beginning of its definition, "[it] is one of the ironies of history that Aryan, a word nowadays referring to the blond-haired, blue-eyed physical ideal of Nazi Germany, originally referred to a people who looked vastly different. Its history starts with the ancient Indo-Iranians, peoples who inhabited parts of what are now Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India."[1]

The links I have provided have been a heck of a lot more credible than the links you have provided. Some tourist site that gives no references for its claims is supposed to be credible. Baloney.

The site detailing how the ancient Celtics may have been great contributors to civilization gave scientific evidence to back up their claims, while the Vedas you are so enamored with give nothing but their own conceit to claim their way is the birth of all civilization. You are the one who is looking at this from a racial perspective.

www.thisislondon.co.uk...

Scientists have discovered the British are descended from a tribe of Spanish fishermen. DNA analysis has found the Celts — Britain's indigenous population — have an almost identical genetic "fingerprint" to a tribe of Iberians from the coastal regions of Spain who crossed the Bay of Biscay almost 6,000 years ago.

If you bothered to do some research, instead of cherry picking anything that agrees with your biased perspective, or bother to follow other links I have provided, you will see that most Britons to this day are descended from the Basque, which means that they are the people who built Stonehenge, and all the circles, and the cultural connection of the circles to the Basque country, which are the largest and most dense cluster of circles outside of Briton.

I have already provided this information with links earlier, so why am I having to repeat this again. It is starting to look like you are intentionally ignoring the evidence provided that proves you wrong.

Here is another website that shows Britons occupied the island for at least 9,000 years.

www.nytimes.com...

Sure, Mr. Targett had heard of Cheddar Man, and had even visited the cave in this quaint Somerset village where his skeleton was found in 1903. But after a seemingly quixotic experiment in which scientists compared Cheddar Man's DNA to that of 20 local residents, Mr. Targett recently received a wholly unexpected piece of news: He is, it seems, related to Cheddar Man on his mother's side.

More evidence that the Celtics have been in Briton for 9,000 years.

r1b.blogspot.com...

In the late 1990s, Bryan Sykes of Oxford University first sequenced the mitochondrial DNA of Cheddar Man, with DNA extracted from one of Cheddar Man's molars. Cheddar Man was determined to have belonged to a branch of mitochondrial haplogroup U, a haplogroup which is especially common in Britain, Ireland and the Basque Country of northern Spain and south western France.

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As I am not arguing for genetics or race; once again your argument is a strawman.

Celtic culture did not appear in Briton until about 200AD. They migrated to it later. The genetics of some British fossils being European only shows that Europe was inhabited by natives, which eventually were civlised by the Aryans.

I think your arguments are embarrassing you now. Even others are now posting here and corrobrating what I and many researchers are saying about Aryan heritage of Indo-Europe. I guess were all "liberal" Get real for petes sake.

The facts are clear: Indians, Persians, Greeks, Celts, Lithuanians all descended from the Aryans. They were civilised by the Aryans. Period. This is our history, and sorry if it hurts your feelings, but all I can say to that is: grow up.

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Regarding my sources:

Most of the time when somebody attacks the source it is an adhominem fallacy. It iis basically an excuse to disregard somebodies evidence.

You claimed that India and China did not progress . I refuted that by linking all their inventions since the last 5000 years and their economic data. You responded by ignorantly disregarding it just because it was on Wikipedia. I then told you to validate the sources yourself cited on Wikipedia. And you didn't.

You made a stupid statement that India and China did not progress, and when I prove you wrong, you hide behind the illegetimate source argument. Well buster, I will show you more sources that say exactly the same thing:

Indian Inventions:

Binary numbers, formal languages, linguistics etc:

The earliest known use of a binary numbering system dates back to the 2nd century AD in Southern India. Pingalas Chhandahshastra used binary numbers to classify musical meters. Pingala formed a matrix in order to give a unique value to each meter, but wrote from left to right, instead of right to left, as binary is written today. He also started with one rather than zero

www.pcauthority.com.au...

According to the distinguished linguist Frits Staal, we can now assert, with the power of hindsight that Indian linguists in the fifth century B.C. knew and understood more than Western linguists in the nineteenth century A.D.

While the exact time of Panini’s existence seems to be uncertain, several hundred years BC, by all accounts he conceived about 4000 rules regulating Sanskrit grammar documented in a text Astadhyayi. Computer scientists recognized Panini, may be belatedly, as the forefather of programming language grammars. The grammar that is used to describe modern programming language with metarules is sometimes called the Panini-Backus form. John Backus is a U.S. computer scientist notable as the inventor of the first high-level programming language, called FORTRAN, expressed in grammar rules that bear a strong resemblance to Panini’s rules. The ancient roots of programming language grammars are attributed to Panini in his honor. According to Frits Staal and tested with Fowler’s automaton, his metarules had such a level of sophistication that the computing power is considered equivalent to a Turing machine, which is considered a precise computing model that lies at the heart of our modern computers.
Equally fascinating is that the binary system was also rooted in ancient India. Pingala, again of uncertain age but estimated to be several hundred years BC, enunciated the secrets of the universal language of 0s and 1s in his Chhandahshastra, a Sanskrit treatise on the prosody considered one of the Vedanga.
With respect to Pingala’s ancient work and the relationship to modern computers and the binary number system, the eminent physicist and mathematician, Stephen Wolfram states that Fibonacci numbers (each succeeding number is a sum of the preceding two numbers) appear to have first arisen in perhaps 200 BC in the work by Pingala on enumerating possible patterns of poetry formed from syllables of two lengths. This also led to the discovery by Pingala of binary numbers. Pingala described the binary number system in relationship to the listing of Vedic meters with short and long syllables.

www.siliconindia.com...

The Art of Computer programming, excerpt (Also on Chinese mathematcs):

books.google.co.uk... gOOOQNw&hl=en&ei=6pEFStySAo_MjAf048zcBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10#PPA49,M1

Math for Poets and Drummers, by Rachel Wells Halls, Dept of Computer Science St Joseph University, Philidelphia:

www.sju.edu...

Indian Mathematics: India and the Scientific Revolution by Dr David Gray:

Rather, this system was invented in India, where it evidently was of quite ancient origin. The Yajurveda Samhitaa, one of the Vedic texts predating Euclid and the Greek mathematicians by at least a millennium, lists names for each of the units of ten up to 10 to the twelfth power (paraardha). (Subbarayappa 1970:49) Later Buddhist and Jain authors extended this list as high as the fifty-third power, far exceeding their Greek contemporaries, who lacking a system of enumeration were unable to develop abstract mathematical concepts.

Why, one might ask, did Europe's take over thousand years to attain the level of abstract mathematics achieved by Indians such as Aaryabhata? The answer appears to be that Europeans were trapped in the relatively simplistic and concrete geometrical mathematics developed by the Greeks. It was not until they had, via the Arabs, received, assimilated and accepted the place-value system of enumeration developed in India that they were able to free their minds from the concrete and develop more abstract systems of thought. This development thus triggered the scientific and information technology revolutions which swept Europe and, later, the world.

www.infinityfoundation.com...

Hence, according to the above, not only was India progressive, its scientific development even in 1000BCE(iron age) was ahead of the scientific development of Europe right up to the 19th century AD. (By the way even 21st century AD we cannot reproduce the level of Indian mathematics)

You just got egg on your face

Now formally retract your statement that India and China did not progress.

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Yeah, you are not arguing genetics because it proves you wrong, irrefutably. The majority of the people who live in Briton are descendants of the same people who lived in Briton at least 9,000 years ago. They are known as the Celts, and they are also the same people who built Stonehenge almost 5,000 years ago which demonstrates advanced knowledge of mathematics and astronomy. The Celt cultures that were observed outside of Briton most like migrated originally from Briton.

You also continue to ignore the archeological evidence of the stone circles, which also proves you wrong, and shows a closer tie to the Basque. Briton has by far the greatest number of circles, and the Druids clearly used these circles. The DNA evidence shows that it was the same people who built the circles as live in Briton today, so the most likely reality is that they are the same people as the Druids. These stone circles exist throughout Europe, and have now been found in Turkey dating as old as 9,000 years. This is a unique culture identifier, which provides very strong evidence of a culture that spread throughout Europe before the Aryans, giving Europe a unique cultural identity.

Yeah, there is a movement that wants to claim European culture comes from India, and another that it comes from Africa. These movements don't care about the truth, they have an agenda, and there opinions are always high on opinion, and very low on evidence. Their opinions have no weight, only the facts, on which you are seriously lacking. Also, I never use Wiki as a reference. Stop making false accusations.

While there are many similarities between Vedic culture and Celtic culture, and European culture, there are more, far larger gaping differences, and the primary difference is the pursuit of perfection that is at the heart of Vedic culture, and simply does not exist in these ancient European pagan cultures.

If European culture descended from Aryan beliefs, which Vedic currently represents, then why is Perfection, the central pursuit of Vedic culture, completely absent from ancient European culture?

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There are facts, and then there are your beliefs. Let's look at the facts:

* There were no Celts in Briton until about 200BCE. The first records of Druids is around 200BCE.

* The stone circles were built by stoneage people. There is no evidence connecting them to Drudism or Celts.

* Linguistic and archeological evidence shows the Celts migrated into Briton and were part of the Indo-European group. The Celtic language is Indo-European. No brainer.

You have no evidence for your silly beliefs.

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If European culture descended from Aryan beliefs, which Vedic currently represents, then why is Perfection, the central pursuit of Vedic culture, completely absent from ancient European culture?

It's not absent at all. The pursuit of perfection was a central theme of Socratic thought. The same theme of detachment from the body and the world is also present in Socratic thought.

There is nothing known about Celtic culture beyond what the Romans said about them, and beyond what can be known through archeological and linguistic evidence. In other words your central assumption Celtic culture did not share the Vedic pursuit of perfection is not tenable in the first place.

What you call "Celtic culture" is actually Celtic Christianity and Modern druidism which has nothing to do with ancient Celtic culture.

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Let's look at the facts, my evidence is supported by scientific facts, the DNA testing combined with the archeological evidence, to which I have provided numerous links backing up the claims.

Your evidence is not backed by any physical evidence what so ever, it is all postulation based on theory.

Stonehenge was built by the very same people who live in Briton to this date, and the DNA tests prove this, and that all the claims about the Celts coming to Briton at a later date are wrong.

Linguistics are not a reliable method of tracing culture, because language changes so quickly it is not a reliable indicator beyond 2,000 year, and I have provided evidence that states this.

The Archeological record of the stone circles, which are present throughout Europe show that you are wrong about the beginnings or technology in Europe.

All the evidence is against you, and yet you still claim to be right, it is ridiculous.

Vedic and Celtic culture virtually identical:

druidnetwork.org...

Cosmology

Vedic

Posits four major interrelated worlds, or planes: the Physical Plane (the earth as we perceive it), the Astral Plane (the realm of demigods and various non-carnate spirits) and Causal Plane (the realm of Supreme Deity and Primal Energy) and the Lower Plane (a sort of hell where one suffers for extremely bad karma).


Celtic

Four major interrelated worlds, or realms; the Nether Realm (Subconscious mind, through which we reach the non-physical realms or planes of existence), the Earth Realm (Conscious mind), the Heavenly Realm (Super conscious mind), and the Star Realm (Cosmic consciousness, transcendent of mind, the abode of all primal energy).

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Discipline/Education

Vedic

Brahmins studied several (10 to 20) years to learn oration, mathematics, ritual, astrology, medicine and Vedic scriptures. Besides brahmins there were lots of yogis (with different backgrounds and practises) performing amazing physical austerities through yoga. For them breath (prana) control stood central.

Celtic
Druids studied for up to 20 years to learn oration, mathematics, ritual, astrology, statecraft, diplomacy, and medicine. They also practiced severe austerities, also involving breath (anah) control.

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Ethics

Vedic
The Vedas show a special appreciation for satyam (honesty), even as a supernatural power. Honor and eloquence are highly valued. eg "Satyam eva Jayate!": "The (Absolute) Truth will always conquer!"

Celtic
The Celtic sense of honour is strong and deep. Truth-sayers and orators were held in the same respect as kings among the Celts.

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Pantheon

Vedic
The Vedic demigods are called devas.

Celtic
Celtic gods are called deuos.

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Scriptural Cadence

Vedic

The ancient Vedic scholars were noted for memorizing the lengthy epics conveying spiritual knowledge and dharmic duty. The poetic metre for these sagas was typically fixed syllable line, free form with 3-part cadence.


Celtic

The Bards of the Druidic order were required to memorize the Celtic sagas conveying metaphysical truths and civic duty. The poetic metre for the Celtic sagas was also fixed syllable, free form with a 3-part cadence.

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Reincarnation

Vedic

The soul (atman) incarnates again and again due to karma, or the effects caused by actions taken and accumulated life after life until one attains moksha, or liberation (which is temporary) and finally enlightenment

Celtic

Reincarnation was an accepted fact of life among the Celts, who also tended to worship their more successful ancestor, judging their need to be reborn by the physical accomplishments of life. The Gaelic term for soul is anam.

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Ritual

Vedic

The central part of puja, or worship is the fire sacrifice, performed in a fire pit, with offerings of spices and rice, accompanied by thechanting (singing) of mantras. These fire sacrifices are performed for initiations, weddings, ... to make vows before and to ask blessings from the God(s) and the Goddess(es).

Celtic

The focal point of a Celtic ritual is the fire, in a central pit. Offerings to the gods of food and wine were thrown into the fire, usually with chanting.

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Societal structure

Vedic

Vedic society is divided into four major castes of priests (brahmanas), warriors (ksatryas), merchants (vaisyas) and labourers (sudras). These were originally not hereditary and meant to keep society in balance. Qualified brahmanas served as counsellors and advisors to those ksatryas that were kings.

Celtic

Celtic society was divided into three basic classes of priests, warriors, and producers. These classes were not imposed by birth. The Druids were a class unto themselves, serving as counsellors and advisors to kings.

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Summary:

Language is from the same family(Devas/Deus; Prana/Anah; Atman/Anam etc) poetry is the same structure, society is the same structure, rituals are the same, education is the same, ethics are the same, cosmology and belief are the same.

Therefore Vedic culture and Celtic culture are the same.

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reply to post by Indigo_Child

Most of the time when somebody attacks the source it is an adhominem fallacy. It iis basically an excuse to disregard somebodies evidence.

You mean like when someone attacks a site racially by calling it an "Irish Pride site" as you did, ignoring all the scientific evidence produced by the site to back up its claims?

Wiki is a nice site to get information, but you can never rely on that information because is it user contributed. If you can't find the evidence outside of Wiki, then chances are that it is unreliable. Anybody who knows anything knows this.

As for your links, they are heavy on bias, and short on evidence to back up their claims, once again.

It is nice that someone in India long ago came up with a binary system for interpreting poetry with a binary code, but but giving the guy credit for computer technology is one huge stretch. Also, the turing machine theory is a nice theory, but it is not the basis on which computer development has been based. Developing computer programs in the real world is far more a matter of trial and error, than that of philosophical discussion.

I was taught in school that the number system we use is Arabic. Clearly they gave credit to other cultures. They could have been more correct and called the numbers India numbers, but really, the loathing of western civilization on this last site you linked to was layered on so thick I could barely stand to read what the guy was trying to say. Yeah, other, more ancient cultures understood the value of the triangle, but Pythagoras is the guy who came up with the theory that put it all together. These people who claim that Western culture refuses to give any credit to others for their contributions are the ones with the bias.

Hence, according to the above, not only was India progressive, its scientific development even in 1000BCE(iron age) was ahead of the scientific development of Europe right up to the 19th century AD. (By the way even 21st century AD we cannot reproduce the level of Indian mathematics)

REALLY!!!! Most of India still doesn't have running water, but the Romans had running water almost 2,000 years ago. Europeans had guns and sailing ships and were navigating the world for several hundred years by the 19th century. If India had technological superiority, why didn't they invent guns long ago to drive off the Muslims who have been trying to conquer them for centuries. You would think they would have applied their technical superiority to defend themselves.

Where is your evidence of India's development of calculus? Where is India's Newton? Why is it the India to this day still struggles to create a democratic style government with equal opportunities?

In the 19th Century Europeans invented steam engines and the combustion engine, mass production of high quality steel, harnessed the power of electricity, developed communication over vast distances, were building giant ships to sail the oceans powered by engines, built the first planes enabling man to fly. Exactly what were the Indians doing to justify your claim that they were technologically superior?

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It is really pathetic the way you ignore all the evidence I have provided to prove your wrong.

While much of Celtic culture was destroyed by the Catholic Church, there are considerable amounts of information that have survived that show a clear connection to the Pagan beliefs, which are very different than the Vedic. The Mabinogion predates Roman occupation of Britain, and there are also numerous Irish tales which tell of a culture far different than that of the Vedics, and much closer to other European cultures.

If you have evidence that Socrates preached an ideology of perfection similar to the Vedics, please produce it, otherwise stop making stuff up.

You can ignore the DNA evidence and the Archeological evidence all you want, but you aren't going to get any credibility by doing this.

Let's look at the facts

You have no facts.

The genetic evidence you're linking about "Chedder man" does not prove that Celtic culture is indigenous. It shows that the British race have stoneage ancestors that lived in Europe. It does not show what culture prehistoric Europeans practice .

I already refuted your silly argument earlier on. If we took DNA evidence of Africans in Africa it will show they are related to a race of ancestors that lived in Africa. It will not show what culture prehistoric Africans practiced. That is impossible.

You obviously cannot tell the difference between race and culture. A race does not change, but the culture it practices does. It can have many cultures at different times. The African race practiced the tribal culture of animism and shamanism, until it was replaced with the culture of Christianity during colonial times.

The white natives of Europe have gone through many cultural changes. They were first uncivilised stoneage peope scattered across Europe, then they were civilised by the Celtic group of the Indo-Europeans. Then their culture was replaced by Christianity during Roman times.

I am going to call your bluff. Where is your evidence that the stoneage people that built stone cicles(technology? haha) are the Celts? You have no right to claim you have facts, until you actually produce them.

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reply to post by Indigo_Child

Language is from the same family(Devas/Deus; Prana/Anah; Atman/Anam etc) poetry is the same structure, society is the same structure, rituals are the same, education is the same, ethics are the same, cosmology and belief are the same.

You keep trying to claim this, but you have yet to provide any evidence that this is true, except for the linguistics, which as has been shown is not reliable.

As far as poetry goes, see my Robert Graves reference, which is better than anything you have provided, which on poetry is pretty much nothing but your interpretation of one poem.

Social structure is completely different. Before Christianity took over and controlled Europe, ancient Europeans have always tended toward more democratic institutions, and since throwing off the yoke of the Catholic Church, European society once again returned to a system that aims to be open without class barriers, while India has a very rigid caste system that has existed for thousands of years. I did a little research on India's caste system, and it is ugly, and if you want me to provide the links I will be more than happy, but I suspect you have already discovered this on your own.

I have no idea what rituals you are talking about, you will need to provide some evidence, and the same for your claims on education.

As far as ethics goes, India has this pursuit of perfection and purity that clearly did not exist in the pagan culture of Europe, and far more closely resembles the beliefs of the Abrahamic culture which is more closely related to Vedic culture, as I have explained earlier.

Western Culture, all men created equal, opportunity for all, classless society, people are valued by what they are capable of doing.

Vedic culture, an extremely rigid caste system, mainly concerned with a pursuit of perfection and purity that does not exist in Western Culture except that which was introduced by Christianity and the Catholic church.

Cosmology?

Westerner's want to build space ships and explore the universe.

Vedics want to discover there higher spiritual selves, and spend their lives looking toward moving on to the spiritual world.

That is a huge difference.

The people who live in Briton are the same people who have been living there for thousands of years, DNA establishes this.

The stone circles go back over five thousand years, unless there is evidence to prove that other people than the people who occupied Briton for at lest 9,000 years built these ancient stone circles, it is more than reasonable to assume that these stone circles were built by the people who have lived in Briton for thousands of years.

The Druids of Briton used these stone circles for their religious practices.

Being that Briton has been inhabited by the people of the same genetic line since long before the circles were built, and that the Druids lived in Briton, there is no reason not to believe that the people who built the circles and the people using those same circles for religious practices thousands of years later are not the same people.

DNA analysis, combined with more recent archeological finds has re-written the map of ancient history.

Circles are found throughout Europe, even into Turkey, where far older circles have been found. These circles are very unique, and clearly show a link in culture between the people who built the stone circles in Turkey 9,000 years ago and the people who built Stonehenge 5,000 years ago.

The stone circles throughout Europe, of such ancient age, show that there was a unique culture in Europe 9,000 years old.

The cluster of circles in Briton and the Basque country, which are the most dense in Europe, show that this ancient culture most likely descended from these people, and wound up settling in these regions where the clusters of stone circles are found most frequently.

These are the people who laid the cultural foundation for Europe. Their social structures were democratic in nature, and their religious practices more practical in nature. They worshiped the Goddess as much as the God.

Your real problem is you lack a well rounded education.

Yeah, other, more ancient cultures understood the value of the triangle, but Pythagoras is the guy who came up with the theory that put it all together. These people who claim that Western culture refuses to give any credit to others for their contributions are the ones with the bias.

Wrong. So-called Pythgoras theorem was described by the Indian mathematician Baudhyana 1-2 centuries before.

The sutras contain discussion and non-axiomatic demonstrations of cases of the Pythagorean theorem and Pythagorean triples. It is also implied and cases presented in the earlier work of Apastamba[2][3] and Baudhayana, although there is no consensus on whether or not Apastamba's rule is derived from Mesopotamia. In Baudhayana, the rules are given as follows:

1.9. The diagonal of a square produces double the area [of the square].
[...]
1.12. The areas [of the squares] produced separately by the lengths of the breadth of a rectangle together equal the area [of the square] produced by the diagonal.
1.13. This is observed in rectangles having sides 3 and 4, 12 and 5, 15 and 8, 7 and 24, 12 and 35, 15 and 36.[4]

Moreover, Pythagoras, like all pre-socratic philosophers learned his philosophy from India.

Where is your evidence of India's development of calculus? Where is India's Newton?

Calculus was developed in India before Newton to a high degree. Newton likely received it and revised it through the Jesuits. You know for once I am going to leave you to do your own research. Your ignorance is poison.

REALLY!!!! Most of India still doesn't have running water, but the Romans had running water almost 2,000 years ago. Europeans had guns and sailing ships and were navigating the world for several hundred years by the 19th century.

Wrong again. The Indians were the first to develop irrigation, dock yards and ships, underground plumbing, roads, planned cities and the biggest dams in the world were built by the South Indian Chola king from 1-4AD:

Tamil Nadu was ruled by the early Cholas between 1st and 4th centuries CE. Karikalan was the first and the most famous king, who built the Kallanai (kall - stone, anai - bund), a dam across the Cauvery River, which is considered to be an engineering wonder of that time. The Cholas ruled the present Thanjavur and Tiruchirapalli districts and were excellent in military expertise.

www.indiasite.com...

As for gunpowder. The first use of gunpowder and rockets was by the Chinese and the first use of rocket artillery is by the Mughal Indians:

By the end of the 18th Century, rockets had evolved from primitive Chinese and Arab devices into reliable weapon systems, capable of hitting targets over reasonable distances.

Rockets in the Anglo-Mysore Wars
At the end of the 18th Century, the British saw the potential of rocket power first hand during the Second, Third and Fourth Anglo-Mysore Wars. The British were greatly impressed by the performance of the rocket used against them by the Indians in these conflicts. Following the end of the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War, the British took several captured rockets back to Britain for study, where William Congreve was ordered to reverse engineer them.

The rocket that Congreve developed was based on a similar design developed by Tipu Sultan, the ruler of the Indian kingdom of Mysore. Tipu Sultan used his rockets as a form of light artillery that was more easily able to keep up with Mysorean infantry, yet still hit targets up to 1,000 yards away. Tipu Sultan described the tactics developed for rocket attacks in a military manual entitled Fathul Mujahidin. Tipu Sultan’s manual called for 200 rocket men to be attached to each infantry unit.

These men were trained to calculate the rocket’s trajectory to the target based on the angle of the rocket and the distance to the target.

The sizes of the rockets varied but were usually between 1.5 and three inches in diameter. Each rocket was attached to a four foot long bamboo pole. The rocket body consisted of an iron tube that acted as a combustion chamber and a conical nose cone that acted as a warhead.

militaryhistory.suite101.com...

Next time you claim anything you better do your research.

By the way you did not formally retract your stupid and thinly veiled racist statement that India and China did not progress.

I am pretty sure you’re a regular at Stormfront.


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reply to post by poet1b


Again, I will call your bluff: Where is the evidence that the ancient Britons who built the stone circles are the Celts?

reply to post by Indigo_Child


The Celts believed in three worlds, they were obsessed with the number three, which is very different than four.

Length of time studying is more a matter of life expectancy and age of maturity, hardly a solid link.

The Celtics believed that sex gave spiritual power, which is completely the opposite of Vedic beliefs.

You have no idea what the language of the Celtics was over two thousand years ago, this is a WA guess.

Memorization when writing was not readily available, paper, pen and all that, is a custom in all cultures, or in other words a cultural universal.

The Celts believed that we rotated through the three worlds, which is different than the reincarnation beliefs of the Vedics.

Religious practices with fire is another cultural universal.

There is no reason to believe that poetry was not a cross culture exchange, where everybody contributed.

There are links to the cultures, but to say they are the same, or that all Western culture came from the East is a gross exaggeration, not to mention a racist and egotistical point of view.

This whole Vedic culture is older and better, and the Vedics taught Europeans everything, our culture is better than yours argument that you continue to make is pathetic.

The two cultures shared and learned from each other. Neither culture is better than the other, they both have their good points and their bad points, their successes and their failures. To praise one and dismiss the other is completely biased and close minded, and certainly not wise or intelligent.

reply to post by poet1b


Look up a word called "history"

The Celts were not building spaceships. You're talking of future Western culture, which is not Western at all. Western culture was replaced 2000 years ago with Abrahamic culture. The Pagans were wiped out, most of them were killed and Britain was colonized.

The Indians did not have a caste system in Vedic times. You're again talking of the future when Indian society became birth-based, than class based. The earliest mention of Indian society structure is found in the Rig Veda which makes no mention of birth-based. At that time many of the Brahmins came from the lowest class(fishermen, carpenters) showing social mobility. Not only that but many Brahmins were women.

Seriously, get an education.

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Really pathetic

Your Baudhayana rules are a long ways away from A^2=B^2 + C^2, which allows one to calculate any side of a triangle if one knows the other two sides. What you quote does not even speak of is the far more important development.

And where is your proof that calculus was developed in India first?

Rome had running water while India was trying to develop a Dam. Are you that clueless to make a claim this dam was better than running water.

The Indians were the first to develop irrigation, dock yards and ships, underground plumbing, roads, planned cities

REALLY? Where is your proof of this? Did they also invent standing up and pissing for men as well? Next thing you will claim that pottery was also an invention of India. The oldest cities discovered so far are in Turkey.

While China develop modern gun powder, while looking for formulas to create immortality, they never succeeded in developing firearms, which is the more difficult process, which is what the Europeans did, that gave them their far superior military power. India was still trying to defend themselves against the Muslims when the Europeans conquered the world with their superior technology of guns, ships, and superior social structures. This is a well recorded fact of history.

By the way, you are the one who claimed that the world has been in the dark ages for 4,000 years, ignoring all the accomplishments of the west.

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India's caste system.

www.hindubooks.org...

It is widely agreed that the Shudra caste of Indian society was largely constituted from the pre-Aryan inhabitants of India who were subjugated by the Aryans. To begin with, it is quite possible that as long as Aryan society had not divided itself into various castes there would have been no logical reason for segregating the non-Aryan conquered races who as per the tribal practice could, as we have discussed earlier, either be eaten or be absorbed into the tribal set up of the conquering Aryans. That some of the conquered non-Aryans were disposed off this way is indicated by the existence of the practice of Purusha-Medha Yagna among the Aryans whose cannibalistic traits are also illustrated by the legend of Chilaya (Srilaya).

But what is more important here is that some of the conquered non-Aryans could have been absorbed into Aryan society. Racial intermixing could also have taken place due to regular pairing between the Aryans and pre-Aryans. That such racial intermixing did take place is indicated by the strict injunctions against intermarriage between Aryans and non-Aryans and later between various castes. The prevention of a particular practice, presupposes its occurance. The rationale for such injuctions against the racial intermixing between the Aryans and the conquered people must lie in the fact that when a social structure developed, with the Aryans occupying the upper echelons, it became necessary to preserve racial purity. Their status of belonging to a particular social category as Brahmins or Kshatriyas had to be preserved. Racial intermixing posed a danger of diluting their favoured position and thus it had to be prohibited. From this reality, arose the doctrines of Untouchability, Unapproachability and Endogamy among various castes. It was these doctrines that gave the feature of heredity to the caste system which was further cemented by ideas of birth one' s in a caste depending on one's deeds in a past life and re-birth in a higher caste if one strictly adhered to caste rules in one's present life.