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posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by Aeons
 


So the Thought Police is fine then?


Welcome to 1984, I guess . . .


Yep. Your thought moves into action and you start setting up for it....you bet.

You don't get a "free hit" at some 12 year old so that some overly-sympathetic person can feel better about it.

What normal person would feel BETTER about a raped child because they consider it slightly more moral?

[edit on 2009/4/26 by Aeons]




posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by Aeons
 


So the Thought Police is fine then?


Welcome to 1984, I guess . . .


Yep. Your thought moves into action and you start setting up for it....you bet.

You don't get a "free hit" at some 12 year old so that YOU can feel better about it.

What normal person would feel BETTER about a raped child because they consider it slightly more moral?


So who is the victim in these thought crimes?



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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well couldn't a 13 year old boy pose as a 35 year old man on one of these online stings? Think about it if a 13 year old boy posing as a 35 year old man was having a very sexual conversation with an undercover cop posing as a 14 year old girl. Wouldn't the cop have to face the same charges? If you watch the show they do go out and find the guys that do not show up at the sting house. The cop talking dirty to the 13 year old boy would have to face the same charges and when th cop got arrested what would he say? " i was not going to do anything with him i swear"



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Only - that isn't what is happening.

Know any other strawmen?



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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It's not the act of, it's the intent to do something illegal. Such as, the intent to drive drunk will get you a D.U.I.
Key's in ignition or, on you while the vehicle is parked, and you are in the driver seat, will get you a D.U.I., in my state.

These guys, in there minds we're going to meet a underage boy or girl. The intent was to have sexual relations with a minor, not a 21 year old cop.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by xxpigxx

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by xxpigxx
reply to post by Aeons
 


So the Thought Police is fine then?


Welcome to 1984, I guess . . .


Yep. Your thought moves into action and you start setting up for it....you bet.

You don't get a "free hit" at some 12 year old so that YOU can feel better about it.

What normal person would feel BETTER about a raped child because they consider it slightly more moral?


So who is the victim in these thought crimes?


When you have the INTENT to commit the crime, and you are in the preparation for the commission of the crime....you're committing a crime.

Waiting for the blood so that you can claim INTENT has no meaning is .....mindless.

[edit on 2009/4/26 by Aeons]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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These are the people who don't get rid of the boyfriend who oggles their daughter because....well he's nice to them and hasn't actually DONE anything yet.




posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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So . . . would they have committed this thought crime, if the bait would not have presented itself?



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:16 PM
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Originally posted by xxpigxx
So . . . would they have committed this thought crime, if the bait would not have presented itself?


When you go to the website for teenagers.....and you look for a teen to get into a conversation with about sex....and then you go to meet them....with preparations such as alcohol and condoms....

You're past the "thought" part.

[edit on 2009/4/26 by Aeons]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Enticement....ookay, maybe.

I mean, you put a shiny car in a poor neighborhood, than I can classify it under enticing.....but not entrapment.
All they are doing (really) is putting a video camera in the car.
The crime unfolds itself, no assistance, in front of the camera.

But that Bounty Hunter Dog (show) pisses me off more than any.

Ex con-men, drug addict, dealer, who served time in state prison, given legal authority.


I hope he gets stabbed in the face with a broken whiskey bottle by some1 he tries to apprehend. I'll watch that episode.

^^ I know that's shallow, but I'm sick of this guy throwing his weight around.









posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by BrianP
reply to post by Darth Logan
 


i am not defending pedos but innocent men. They commited no crime they did not talk anyone underage. If you were on a highway and the police put a sign up saying that there was no speed limit in the left hand lane and you went onto this left hand lane. It would be like the cops giving you a ticket because you had the intention of speeding by getting in that lane


Read - I haven't actually raped a child yet, so you can't prove I'm a pedophile. I'm just THINKING ABOUT IT REAL HARD.


Pedophilia is a sickness, just like drug addiction. Being attracted to children is wrong, but it's no different than any other sexual disorder. It takes will power and the grace of God to keep them straight, but obviously if they are looking at child pornography or trying to have relations with a child then steps need to be taken to prevent this and set them straight; that's where Chris Hansen comes in. But to simply condemn someone for simply having a mental illness without trying to help them is wrong.

Does anyone know whether or not these people get psychological help in Prison, or are they just thrown to the wolves and their lives ruined without any recourse but suicide?



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:22 PM
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You are only show pieces of the transcript from the chats. Why do some guys still maintain that there were talking to an adult even after they are shown the chat log. What would be the point in keeping up a lie? Could the police go out undercover and talk people into selling drugs then arrest them for their intent after they got the agreement. If you were in a fight with your spouse and you got mad and broke somthing could you be arrested for your intent to hit your wife? You did not hit her YET, and that logic was how the KGB opperated in soviet russia hence furthuring the NWO agenda aka Thought police.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by xxpigxx
So . . . would they have committed this thought crime, if the bait would not have presented itself?


When you go to the website for teenagers.....and you look for a teen to get into a conversation with about sex....and then you go to meet them....with preparations such as alcohol and condoms....

You're past the "thought" part.

[edit on 2009/4/26 by Aeons]


I agree, at this point they have crossed the line and need to be remanded into custody of the Law. It's up to someone who's thinking of committing such an act to seek out help before it gets that far.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by xxpigxx
So . . . would they have committed this thought crime, if the bait would not have presented itself?


When you go to the website for teenagers.....and you look for a teen to get into a conversation with about sex....and then you go to meet them....with preparations such as alcohol and condoms....

You're past the "thought" part.

[edit on 2009/4/26 by Aeons]


Perhaps you should do your research more.

ALot of the time, they are in normal chat rooms. Alot of the time they are approached and led on by the bait.

So . . . would they be in the predicament if the bait had not been there?




And Dog the Bounty Hunter pisses me off too



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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Well what if the guy walks in with lube and condoms but when he gets inside changes his mind tells the decoy he can't do this for whatever reason and walks out. He still gets arrested. This whole style of police work makes me think of the moral issues brought up in Minority Report. The police are really removing the man's free will from him.
Notice they never air the trials, i think this crap never holds up in court.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by BrianP]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by xxpigxx
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So the Thought Police is fine then?


Yep. Your thought moves into action and you start setting up for it....you bet.



Damn, so I guess the person who thought about stealing a steak because he hasn't fed his kids in two days is guilty of theft. Even though he held back at the last minute, he thought about it so he is GUILTY!

Sorry, aeons, you fail the freedom test...



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:31 PM
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Originally posted by BrianP
Well what if the guy walks in with lube and condoms but when he gets inside changes his mind tells the decoy he can't do this for whatever reason and walks out. He still gets arrested. This whole style of police work makes me think of the moral issues brought up in Minority Report. The police are really removing the man's free will from him.
Notice they never air the trials, i think this crap never holds up in court.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by BrianP]


I'll admit that this probably isn't the most conscionable way to run a sting operation -- obviously he's in it for the ratings -- but look at it like this: these people will be getting or will seek out the help they need to help rid them of this illness. Look at it like a drug addict; most won't seek help until they've been arrested and sent to jail.

edit to say that I think that most drugs shouldn't be illegal, but it was just an example to help prove my point.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by LiquidLight]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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Hello my friends i am Dr.Rufus Red i have a degree. This method of law is in fact no legal. It would not hold up in court and all these men are innocent.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Dr.RufusRed
Hello my friends i am Dr.Rufus Red i have a degree. This method of law is in fact no legal. It would not hold up in court and all these men are innocent.


Okay, I'll bite. Make your case for it being illegal.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 12:00 AM
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Entrapment is the act of a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense which the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit.


Hello my friend. With many (not all) of these men having no priors for such crimes it is almost impossible for any prosecutor being able to prove this is what these men likely to commit. You have police that are literately trained in acting like under age girls and seducing men. It would be one thing if the police put up something like "13/f/socal" and went after men who immediately engaged in sexual dialogue without invitation but that is not what is happening here. They are being led on to the point of making arrangements to meet in real life. The police posing as minors do not let these men know that their advances are not welcome. This style of sting could be legally carried out if done correctly but it is not being done that way



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