Swine Flu news and updates thread

Originally posted by jonny2410

Originally posted by Jo-Nathan
Hello I'm here in Blackpool,England saying that I have seen an alien, please tell me how to make a story of this on ATS
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why have you posted that in here? totally wrong thread.

if you want to make a thread on it click new thread below.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by jonny2410]


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[edit on 21-5-2009 by 12m8keall2c]

Obviously somebody with no brain wants to use ATS to abuse people!
I think there is a site called facebook for stuff like that!
Anyway back on topic..............

reply to post by ecoparity


Damn...many suspicions confirmed...which is again "why" I am personally questioning the "safety" of older (hate that word,LOL!) people's ability to contract the virus if it is indeed "something"not seen/released before.
I think it's only it's only just begun to manifest itself from all the info that y'all are gathering.Who knows what it might be capable of if it "mutates" or if as you suggest,it's something "piggybacked" onto a flu-like virus?

Initially didn't they say "Relenza" has little effect on the virus? Either they are grapsing at straws or once again,finding a way to market/cash in on pharaceuticals based on fear or panic.

I think that if/when the lid blows on this it's going to be a "trickle effect" and not a full-blown panic however.
As I've mentioned MOST people I come into contact with are NOT taking it seriously at all and simply don't want to hear a word about it as it's not in the local or MSM news.

They will be skeptical at best unless it directly affects them and even they denial will prevail...
Personally,I get a bit more cautious and yes "scared" every day.

Thanks eco but you know that...hoping like hell your symptoms will subside,you need your strength back!





[edit on 21-5-2009 by irishchic]

Based on the fact that most of the posters from the US in this thread have had or are having all the H1N1 influenza symptoms, I can conclude that at least half the US population have been infected with this new virus.
In this case, unfortunatelly, there'll be many more deaths.

Europe is clearly underreporting the number of cases. There's no plausible explanation for the nearly stagnation in the number of infected people in Europe while in Japan it went from zero to more than 300 in less than a week.

Other countries in South America and Asia might be hiding the real number as well, but Europe's case is more remarkable, since the virus supposedly arrived there earlier and there are many more flights arriving from Mexico and USA to Europe than to other regions.

Originally posted by nanbei
Based on the fact that most of the posters from the US in this thread have had or are having all the H1N1 influenza symptoms, I can conclude that at least half the US population have been infected with this new virus.
In this case, unfortunatelly, there'll be many more deaths.

I'd say that is quite a leap in thinking. Participation at ATS, and in this thread in particular, is not a very good sampling of the public at large in the US. In fact, I'm sure that many of those who are symptomatic or have family members who are, are MORE likely to visit and participate in this thread than those who aren't. Their concern level is much higher, as is their interest in getting facts and news that they can't get elsewhere.

As for my particular interest (as I have shown no signs of the flu of any kind), I just love a good conspiracy... plus I like being informed and ahead of the curve so that I am able to react, and protect my loved ones, as best as I can. I don't like to be caught unaware or off guard if I can help it.

reply to post by larphillips


My thoughts are a little different from yours...........Many of us here from late April were not sick at the time this thread started........If I had to estimate I would say that 20% of the population is experiencing some type of influenza symptoms........who knows if its H1N1 due to lack of testing and not everyone seeks medical attention.........and this number is growing........I started looking at this thread because I already new that some "monkey" business was going on with the CDC/Gov..........Just seeking some other truth seekers.....

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[edit on 21-5-2009 by Cloudsinthesky]

reply to post by larphillips


Well, I think that half the US population was a bit exagerated, but I would say that at least around 10 million people have been infected so far.
There are other evidences to suggest this, of course. One of them is the speed in what the virus spreaded througout the US. It wouldn't spread like it did, to almost all US states, starting with less than 100.000 infected about 2 weeks ago.

INTERESTING lil' article:

home.myhughesnet.com...

"Scientists investigate Mexican town's flu mystery"

They're apparently "going back" to La Gloria in Mexico to research further...

"Other scientists believe the new strain could have been circulating in humans long before it reached La Gloria. The new strain's ancestry has ties to a pig farm in North Carolina where in 1998, scientists discovered that pig, bird and human viruses had combined in pigs to form a new strain of swine flu that also infected a handful of humans.

Most of the current strain can be traced to that combination, about 10,000 generations of the virus ago. At some point along the way, it combined with other flu strains and jumped back into humans — just when and where exactly may never be known, CDC officials have said."

""The attack rate in the outbreak (in La Gloria) is inconsistent with seasonal influenza," Fraser, a scientist with the Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at Imperial College London, wrote in an e-mail to AP. "It is not impossible, though, that multiple viruses were co-circulating."

A 60-year-old man with swine flu and other health problems is on life support at Toronto Western Hospital - hygimia69.blogspot.com...

The same underlying conditions story again:

While the province won't provide many details, the health minister's press secretary said the man's case of the H1N1 flu virus is "mild" and that it is the individual's underlying health problems that have made him so sick.

Erwin said the province has been consistent in classifying the individual's case of H1N1 as "mild," even though a news release on Friday said all cases of H1N1 in Ontario "with the exception of one" were considered mild.

But

However, a 27-year-old Etobicoke man with no apparent compromised immune system was admitted to Etobicoke General Hospital on May 6 and put on morphine after contracting H1N1.

And also

Symptoms of H1N1 are similar to seasonal influenza and can range from feeling no ill effects at all to feeling like you've been hit by a truck.

A 60-year-old man with swine flu and other health problems is on life support at Toronto Western Hospital - hygimia69.blogspot.com...

The same underlying conditions story again:

While the province won't provide many details, the health minister's press secretary said the man's case of the H1N1 flu virus is "mild" and that it is the individual's underlying health problems that have made him so sick.

Erwin said the province has been consistent in classifying the individual's case of H1N1 as "mild," even though a news release on Friday said all cases of H1N1 in Ontario "with the exception of one" were considered mild.

But

However, a 27-year-old Etobicoke man with no apparent compromised immune system was admitted to Etobicoke General Hospital on May 6 and put on morphine after contracting H1N1.

Symptoms of H1N1 are similar to seasonal influenza and can range from feeling no ill effects at all to feeling like you've been hit by a truck.

Hopefully it will be done soon.

WHO chief seeking deal

[edit on 21/5/09 by gallifreyan medic]

So this is why the delay in raising to level 6.
Certainly showing the new rules to the game.

Must be global before raising.

GENEVA (Reuters) - The head of the World Health Organization said on Thursday she would not hesitate to raise the global pandemic alert to the top of the six-point scale if the new H1N1 flu is spreading globally. "When I see more signals coming from the virus itself or the spread of the disease, including severity, I would not shy away from making a very difficult decision. I would not compromise the world people's health," Margaret Chan said.

[edit on 21/5/09 by gallifreyan medic]

Originally posted by larphillips

Originally posted by nanbei
Based on the fact that most of the posters from the US in this thread have had or are having all the H1N1 influenza symptoms, I can conclude that at least half the US population have been infected with this new virus.
In this case, unfortunatelly, there'll be many more deaths.

I'd say that is quite a leap in thinking. Participation at ATS, and in this thread in particular, is not a very good sampling of the public at large in the US. In fact, I'm sure that many of those who are symptomatic or have family members who are, are MORE likely to visit and participate in this thread than those who aren't. Their concern level is much higher, as is their interest in getting facts and news that they can't get elsewhere.

As for my particular interest (as I have shown no signs of the flu of any kind), I just love a good conspiracy... plus I like being informed and ahead of the curve so that I am able to react, and protect my loved ones, as best as I can. I don't like to be caught unaware or off guard if I can help it.

I think the numbers of infected are very high, and will get higher, but don't think it's at 50% yet (at least where I live). And I agree that we are not a great sampling, as some of us (at least me) found this board (and I'm so glad I did!) because we thought we had swine flu and wanted some info about it...and then quickly discovered this is the best place to be if we want to keep informed!

But I do think the numbers are getting pretty high....I got mine during the first week of the scare here, had never been to Mexico, don't know anyone who has, was washing my hands lots & lots, avoiding public places, sick people etc, and was out buying my supplies (in case it became necessary to lock myself in) and think I caught it at the Walmart (there were 2 sick people around me, that I was avoiding as best I could!)....at least I had lots of food when they told me to self isolate, though the plan had been to stock up so I wouldn't catch it!

Originally posted by gallifreyan medic
So this is why the delay in raising to level 6.
Certainly showing the new rules to the game.

Must be global before raising.

GENEVA (Reuters) - The head of the World Health Organization said on Thursday she would not hesitate to raise the global pandemic alert to the top of the six-point scale if the new H1N1 flu is spreading globally. "When I see more signals coming from the virus itself or the spread of the disease, including severity, I would not shy away from making a very difficult decision. I would not compromise the world people's health," Margaret Chan said.

[edit on 21/5/09 by gallifreyan medic]

Yes, they certainly seem to be changing the game rules, which I would have thought were set the way they were for a reason, and after some intelligent thought. So, why are they now changing what constitutes a Level 6 Alert? Did they think we wouldn't notice that a few weeks ago they were repeatedly saying they had to see "sustained human to human transmission in 2 geographical areas i.e. an area outside of North America"?

Why the change in rules? How much work and thought did they put into setting the Alert System when they did and why change it now, when faced with our first pandemic since the system came in?

reply to post by phoenixs1


I think if the world financial state was not as it is now,they would
have been following the set plan.

Sadly money seems to be more inportant than life.
What a bass ackward world we live in.

No posts for almost an hour. It's being really quiet here today.
There's also virtually nothing in the MSM or anywhere else.

I found this picture at photobucket and thought it was pretty accurate.
Just posting to share .... (perhaps it'll encourage more handwashing)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c9c747c78eb7.jpg[/atsimg]

It seems that in mainland China 3 out of the 5 confirmed cases have normal body temperatures.
news.xinhuanet.com...

I really wish they'd get the word out more about this, as I believe many people who have this, but have no temp, think they don't have it, are out socialising and innocently passing it onto others.

All the official sites still list fever as a symptom, and I've yet to see one "official statement" about the fact that many who have this flu are experiencing no fever, and/or low body temp.

When I was first hit, my first sign was really sudden and bad stomach problems (unexplained by food etc), and when I suspected I might have it and took my temp, I was shocked to see it was really low (95.9). I had a ticket to an NHL playoff game that night, and went from being slightly concerned I could catch it at the game to a bit concerned that I had it and could pass it on. But, because I had the exact opposite of a fever, and all the official sites said you had to have a fever, I thought something else was causing it. A few days later, my throat and ears were infected, I was wheezing, had the worst pains in my legs etc.

I wonder why they aren't educating the public about this, particularily after it was reported that 1 in 3 of even the very serious cases of swine flu being found in the Mexico Hospital had no fever? Maybe they are scared that too many people without fevers will start presenting at ER's?

Originally posted by ecoparity
Why are we, the taxpayers always the last to know?
CDC placed an order for 50 mil worth of anti flu spray "Relenza". I'm polling research and medical contacts to try and find out the significance of this. I think it would be best not to speculate in the mean time.

Thanks and stay pig flu free -
eco

Well! it seems they are terrified of the Tamiflu-resistant strain H274Y a mutation in H1N1.

Maybe this is why they are now buying Relenza?

Theoretically! a Tamiflu-resistant strain H274Y a mutation in H1N1 could recombine with the current H1N1(swine/human/bird) and later when it hits Egypt & Asia and H5N1 - then create a Tamiflu-resistant H5N1 super-virus

I wrote about that in my Dr.Henry Niman - Recombinomics thread.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Chevalerous


H1N1 mixing with Avian Flu is a major threat and Chinese government is increasingly concerned about that.

Northwest China province on avian flu alarm english.people.com.cn...

Northwest China's Qinghai Province is still on alarm Thursday, four days after an H5N1 avian flu outbreak was confirmed in one of its Tibetan counties, the local animal epidemic prevention authority said.
As of Wednesday, the number of dead birds had climbed to 200, the provincial animal epidemic prevention and treatment department said in a press release.

And translate.google.com...

Xining, China May 20 (Xinhua Zhang Lin)'s Qinghai Province on the 20th afternoon from a major animal disease prevention and control headquarters was informed that recently, the province of Hainan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture occurred more Gahai type of highly pathogenic avian influenza H5N1, the the local epidemic prevention departments at all levels of government and adopt a variety of effective measures to close the spread of bird flu prevention and control of proliferation.

CDC Monitoring Evolution Of H1N1 Virus
www.bernama.com...

No need for Phase 6 yet
www.straitstimes.com...

In Japan, Swine Flu Is Spreading With Surprising Speed
www.time.com...

Canadian on flight from Toronto tests positive for swine flu in China
www.cbc.ca...

Confirmed swine flu case at Lake County school
www.wbbm780.com...

North state in Brief: May 21, 2009
www.redding.com...

Another H1N1 case confirmed in Indiana
Indiana total now at 106
www.wane.com...

2 more confirmed cases of A/H1N1 flu in Australia: Now 9
news.xinhuanet.com...

Naval quarantine in Zambo
businessmirror.com.ph...

DOE Shares Factors For Flu-Related School Closings
www.ny1.com...

Bourne calls for statement on Measles outbreak
www.tivysideadvertiser.co.uk...

Schools Close, but Children Are Out and About
cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...

Panama isolates virus
www.laestrella.com.pa...

As Flu Suspicions Spread, Value of Test Is Weighed
www.nytimes.com...

# Three Rivers county, Virginia, USA: 1 confirmed cases Source: Virgina Department of Health Date: 19 May 2009, 10:00 GMT30 minutes ago from twitterfeed

# Peninsula, Virginia, USA: 2 confirmed cases Source: Virgina Department of Health Date: 19 May 2009, 10:00 GMT30 minutes ago from twitterfeed

# Norfolk, Virginia, USA: 1 confirmed cases Source: Virgina Department of Health Date: 19 May 2009, 10:00 GMT30 minutes ago from twitterfeed

# Fairfax, Virginia, USA: 2 confirmed cases Source: Virgina Department of Health Date: 19 May 2009, 10:00 GMT30 minutes ago from twitterfeed

# Chesterfield, Virginia, USA: 2 confirmed cases Source: Virgina Department of Health Date: 19 May 2009, 10:00 GMT30 minutes ago from twitterfeed

# Somerset, New Jersey, USA: 1 confirmed cases Source: Health Department New Jersey Date: 19 May 2009, 12:40 GMTabout 1 hour ago from twitterfeed

# Ocean City, New Jersey, USA: 2 confirmed cases Source: Health Department New Jersey Date: 19 May 2009, 12:40 GMTabout 1 hour ago from twitterfeed

# Monmouth county, New Jersey, USA: 1 confirmed cases Source: Health Department New Jersey Date: 19 May 2009, 12:40 GMTabout 1 hour ago from twitterfeed

# Hudson, New Jersey, USA: 5 confirmed cases Source: Health Department New Jersey Date: 19 May 2009, 12:40 GMTabout 1 hour ago from twitterfeed

# Camden, New Jersey, USA: 5 confirmed cases Source: Health Department New Jersey Date: 19 May 2009, 12:40 GMTabout 1 hour ago from twitterfeed

# Hillsborough county, New Hampshire, USA: 9 confirmed casessource: New Hampshire Department of HealthDate: 20 May 2009about 2 hours ago from twitterfeed

# Grafton county, New Hampshire: 2 confirmed casessource: New Hampshire Department of HealthDate: 20 May 2009about 2 hours ago from twitterfeed

# Merrimack County, New Hampshire, USA: 4 confirmed casessource: New Hampshire Department of HealthDate: 20 May 2009about 2 hours ago from twitterfeed