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Swine Flu news and updates thread

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posted on May, 17 2009 @ 07:05 AM
reply to post by jonny2410
Not for the Japanese...

You have to remember they are a very ordered and logical society...

They've faced quite a few pandemics and disasters in the past and are very efficient and prepared...come what may...

To bad our Sad Sack .GOV didn't do this a lot earlier...

I think they can see how well that turned out here...

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 07:36 AM
The students, who attend several high schools in the western prefectures of Hyogo and Osaka, tested positive for the H1N1 virus over the weekend and are recovering at local hospitals, health ministry official Takuya Nemoto said. -China Daily

When I read this article I was perplexed---The seven students that are infected are recovering in the hospital?? Why does Japan admit patients to the hospital when they become infected and the U.S. just tells people to go home and recover with your "mild case of flulike symtoms?"

And this quote:
Since then, hospitals have set up special "fever clinics" to separate possible A (H1N1) flu carriers from other outpatients. Local governments have set up hot lines to guide people with flu symptoms. Newspapers also published graphics explaining the proper ways to wash hands and gargle. - China Daily

"Fever Clinics?" Also I recall many pages back in the thread, someone in the UK stated that a hotline would take six months to set up--hmmm-- did not take long for Japan to get things going. Though this is a conspiracy site, I attempt to avoid pronouncements of a conspiracy. However, with the proactive differences between China and the western world, I got to wonder about the motivations behind the actions of the western half.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 07:48 AM
reply to post by EDteach

japan know what they are doing or know this is more serious than western governments are letting on

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:01 AM
Origin of H1N1 "North American" / "Swine Flu"

I haven't had the honor of reading Dr Gibb's analysis of the genetic breakdown yet, my post is going off of the conversations I've had with another team who is submitting an independent analysis which will support Dr Gibb's conclusion that the virus is man-made in origin.

I should have a copy of the report available in the next few days but in the spirit of continuing to keep our ATS thread ahead with information prior to it's release in the media here goes. . .

1. Engineered Viruses
Flu viruses go through a process of mutation, the exact nature of which is open to two interpretations. Dr Henry Niman posits that a process he has entitled "recombinomics" is responsible, ( ) with the counter explanation leaving quite a bit unexplained. More and more evidence supporting Dr Niman is discovered almost daily, incidentally.

This particular strain of influenza is mutating more rapidly than we've seen in prior "wild" outbreaks. Only lab created strains which are optimized for a specific development path mutate this quickly.

Using a virus as a bio weapon is complex. Chemical and biological weapons are chosen and developed based on very specific goals which involve being highly infective and extremely contagious for a limited period of time. The idea is to gain the warfare benefits of the virus and eliminate the caveats, the most important of which would be to prevent the virus from spreading beyond the target population and infecting your own.

Without getting too involved in the description, the virus is engineered to have specific qualities of infection (infects a high percentage of those exposed yet being just strong enough to do so without being able to live outside a host for "too" long) with a predetermined mutation path which turns the virus non-lethal within a certain number of hosts after the initial infection. (The idea being to infect a desired number of the target population but keep it from spreading beyond them).

A certain set of mutations are chosen in order to infect specific members of the population whereas "wild" flu is almost always more lethal to the elderly or the sick. A weaponized virus will be made to target young people with strong immune systems.

There are key differences between a virus used for study or vaccination development and a weaponized virus, of course. Samples used to study defense against weaponized variants will share common traits with the bio weapon version, however.

Lastly, lab viruses must be cultured without the benefit of large numbers of infected hosts (humans). Animals can be used as can propagation methods which use eggs as the host medium. These hosts will leave a genetic "fingerprint" in the DNA of the virus. Even animal hosts come from specially chosen breeds or have certain desired genetic properties which make the genetic material left behind identifiable.

NA Flu traits identified as laboratory originated:
1. Rapid mutation of a type which displays optimization.
2. Repetition in the infection pattern common to lab variants.
3. Genetic material from incubation process which uses eggs.
4. Infection rate / targets in line with lab variants, opposite of "wild" variants.
5. Genetic history counters location, time of year and host population
6. Specific mutations created for lab use present in samples.

We should have more details as the papers are released. I'm going to be watching closely to see what the WHO and CDC come up with to try and counter. I can see this issue forming a new conspiracy with it's own thread in the days to come. . .

[edit on 17-5-2009 by ecoparity]

[edit on 17-5-2009 by ecoparity]

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:40 AM
reply to post by ecoparity

Great work ecoparity

All along I personally thought this virus could be targeting certain DNA/RNA or race specific genes......

Will your sources be able or should I say reveal what specific genetic codes this virus was created for........or has the mutation process made this virus become a "rogue virus" and thats why so many are becoming sick now?

Good work again!!

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:43 AM
reply to post by EDteach

I lived in Japan for three years. Let me tell ya ... everyone lives on top of everyone else. They take even headcolds very seriously. When I'd be driving down the city road I'd see school kids with face masks on and adults as well. If you even have a sniffle it's considered polite to cover up and if you are sick you darn well stay away from others.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:44 AM
reply to post by ecoparity

What is your own opinion of this virus now? Is this something you believe will come back in a second wave and kill millions or do you believe it will fizzle out soon?

I hope that you don't mind me asking you this but I am finding all of the conflicting info to be very confusing and yours is one of the few opinions I trust right now.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:48 AM

Originally posted by rken2
This was before I found MMS. Sodium chloriite.

Interesting. But i want to know the side effects and who shouldn't be taking this ... people senstive to ________ ... that kind of thing.

Anyone know?

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:50 AM
Holy Ska-Moly...sounds like the school closures and rising infection rates are being verified...

# 570 schools in Japan have suspended classes because of swine flu h1n1 #swineflu #h1n13 minutes ago from web

# 110 students in Osaka have showed symptoms like swine flu h1n1 for several days #swineflu #h1h14 minutes ago from web

# Total cases of swine flu h1n1 in Japan are 32 with 28 infected in the country. This may become the trigger for WHO level 6 #swineflu #h1h15 minutes ago from web

New flu cases climb among Japan high school students
Sun May 17, 2009 9:06am EDT

BTW: I don't know who out there listens to Police Scanners...but...the Emergency County Coordination Channel in my County has had a lot of Data Chirping on it as of late...just another thing to look for?

[edit on 5/17/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
This may become the trigger for WHO level 6 #swineflu #h1h15 minutes ago from web

They should'a done it weeks ago.

And the idiots leaving the schools open here have a lot of bad karma now.
All these sick kids and worried families because of the ineptness of those in charge.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:56 AM
looks like japan is on the brink of a major outbreak, its spreading very fast there. Comeon WHO, level 6 now

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 08:58 AM
reply to post by EDteach

I agree that there are sooo many countries dealing with this better than we are here in North America.

However, re the "western world", keep in mind Australia (where I am from) is dealing with it very differently than much of the rest of the "western world".

New Commonwealth Health Hotline for H1N1 Influenza 09 (Human Swine Influenza)The Department of Health and Ageing has established a new, national hotline for the public to receive health information about the outbreak overseas of H1N1 Influenza 09 (Human Swine Influenza).

H1N1 Influenza 09 (Human Swine Influenza) Declared A Quarantinable Disease
Tuesday 28, April 2009: The Australian Government has included H1N1 Influenza 09 (Human Swine Influenza) to be a quarantinable disease in humans under the Quarantine Act 1908.

Positive pratique for all flights
Wednesday 29, April 2009: From this afternoon, pilots on all incoming international passenger flights will be required to report to the Australian Quarantine Inspection Service (AQIS) on the health status of their passengers. This report is called a pratique, and all pilots must give a pratique to the airport on landing.

Government activates Thermal Scanners and Health Declaration Cards at Airports
30 April 2009: The Australian government today implemented full border measures to help delay the introduction of H1N1 Influenza 09 (Human Swine Influenza) into Australia.

This follows a decision by the World Health Organization (WHO) to upgrade its Influenza Pandemic Alert Phase from 4 to 5.

Although the WHO Director-General has announced the change to Phase 5, which means the presence of human-to-human spread in two countries in one WHO region, in Australia there remain no cases of H1N1 Influenza 09 (Human Swine Influenza).

The new measures at Australian airports include the use of Thermal Scanners and a mandatory requirement for all incoming passengers to fill out Health Declaration Cards.

Janelle Miles, Robyn Ironside, Renee Viellaris, and agencies
April 28, 2009 01:09pm
``The Queensland Health pandemic plan has been activated,'' Ms Bligh told reporters in Brisbane after meeting with officials.

She said Queensland had to be ready for "the prospect of this virus spreading to all countries and particularly here in Australia".

"This morning I convened the state disaster management group in readiness for a possible declaration of a disaster in the next couple of weeks," she said.

"We have no cause to declare any disaster at this stage but we are making sure we are ready."

Her announcement comes as the World Health Organisation has raised its pandemic alert level to phase 4.
The news comes after quarantine officials screening for the deadly swine flu boarded a Qantas passenger jet which arrived in Brisbane from Los Angeles this morning and detained two passengers.

Five other passengers were detained but later cleared.

Quarantine officials boarded the Qantas flight from Los Angeles when it arrived in Brisbane today and quarantined two women showing signs of swine flu.

At 6am, officials boarded the plane at Brisbane Airport where Queensland Health immediately quarantined the women who was showing symptoms and they were taken by ambulance to hospital, a Brisbane Airport Corporation spokesman said.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:02 AM
reply to post by Hx3_1963

How do I listen to police scanners? Is there a device I can buy at Radio Shack?

I have a special dynamo radio that captures signals from special channels, but I don't know if it captures police scanner signals.

I would like to listen in, because here in Manhattan I'm hearing a lot more ambulance sirens lately. (Not to be paranoid, but it just seems like I am.)

Thanks in advance.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:08 AM

Originally posted by windwaker
How do I listen to police scanners? Is there a device I can buy at Radio Shack?

I was going to get one for my husband for fathers day. But when I went in to the store I found that the 'cheap ones' cost $350.

We don't have that kind of money.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:11 AM
reply to post by FlyersFan

Look on Ebay or try a bulk liquidation store........I have seen them there before..

[edit on 17-5-2009 by Cloudsinthesky]

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:14 AM
If this spreads as bad as we've come to believe...not good

Japan reports dozens of new swine flu cases
2009-05-17 08:03 PM

Look at all this denial going on out there...

Alegna75: think i got strep throat. can feel something on back of throat. at least irs not swine flu. half a minute ago from mobile web

TheRealSpammie: is trying to shake her cold, and no, it's not the swine flu! 1 minute ago from web

@ windwaker: In NY you'll need a "Trunked Freq" type scanner...Radio Shack has a decent cheap line or E-Bay as already stated...

[edit on 5/17/2009 by Hx3_1963]

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:15 AM
12 suspected swine flu cases quarantined in South Australia
April 28, 2009 03:09pm
HEALTH specialists have quarantined 12 people in South Australia, fearing they have been exposed to the swine flu virus causing increasing alarm around the world.

New powers in Australia include the use of disinfectant on
planes and quarantine for people who show symptoms of the
disease, Roxon said. Australia has no confirmed cases of the flu,
which has killed 152 people in Mexico and spread to the U.S,
Canada, the U.K. and New Zealand.

“It means that we can act nationally, we can act
quickly,” Roxon said. “We want to make sure that all the
powers are there, that we’re ready to act if this takes a
dramatic turn for the worst.”

Australia decrees powers to quarantine swine flu victims
Posted : Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:23:41 GMT
Author : DPA
Category : Health
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Sydney - Australians suspected of having swine flu could be forcibly detained under a new quarantine measure decreed by the government.

Aussies were also told to make sure they had two weeks worth of food and water supplies in their cupboard a couple of weeks ago.

I think Australia's response is more in line with the Asian response, and even more strict than many of the Asian countries. Australia has alwasy been very strict with quarantine issues...we don't even have rabies.

I'm crossing my fingers that when it starts to hit down there, the government will continue to take appropriate steps to protect it's population, unlike here in Canada (where I'm visiting) with their dangerous "it's just the flu" approach.

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:16 AM
17 May 2009 Sunday update from Reuters on worldwide spread of A/H1N1...

Story on BBC from a couple days ago on postponing the Hajj pilgrimage,,,

Drudge Report continues to carry flu news on front page (thanks, Matt Drudge)...

MSNBC and many other mainstream media outlets are carrying flu stories that are at least 2 - 3 days old without updates. CNN has little or nothing. The big chill on news is obvious. Under-reporting case numbers is fairly obvious, too. Local news media have gone ice cold on this topic also. Nothing on any local flu news today in Dallas Morning News.

New York Times op-ed hit piece saying everyone, especially WHO, over reacted to A/H1N1... wow, talk about propaganda in super high gear... I wonder if this was written at Langley...

Washington Post story on the young age of victims...

Latest update from Bloomberg News on situation in Japan...

This, from London Telegraph (2 days old, sorry)...

"Britain will not be able to vaccinate the whole population against a possible winter swine flu epidemic, the health secretary has admitted."

Today's business update from Times of London says Glaxo to make out rather well financially on flu...

"Swine flu gives Glaxo a shot in the arm

128m: The number of doses of a swine-flu vaccine for which the drugs giant Glaxo Smith Kline said it had received orders from several European governments.

£600m: The amount by which Glaxo Smith Kline’s turnover could increase thanks to sales of the new swine-flu vaccine, according to City analysts’ predictions."

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:18 AM
reply to post by windwaker

If you can afford the walkie talkie types for hiking in the wilderness (the highend ones about 100$) and live/are with in range of the police station tower the walkies will pick it up. Just set it to scan and for gods sake DON'T pop in while they are talking! Just listen!

A head's up for others using police scanner's; is that many counties and cities have ordinance's that forbid using them. As they sometimes can interfere with the signals they use. Make sure you aren't in one of them if you want to use one/can afford it. It WILL get you a hefty ticket!

posted on May, 17 2009 @ 09:20 AM
14 new cases in UK, now we have 101

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