Swine Flu news and updates thread

~post by Kram09~

I've read some posts suggesting, that this could all be a big set up for martial law and the NWO etc etc. Perhaps. We cannot be certain. But there have been strange coincidenes and incidents. The threads are there to read, about the vials being stolen from Fort Detrick, Obama meeting with someone who shortly afterwards allegedly died of the flu, the Scottish government preparing an emergency pandemic exercise on the day of the outbreak in Scotland, the dead microbiologists, not to mention the ridiculous waffle called media coverage. But we do not know for sure. Let us assume for one moment, that it is true. Well, so what? The governments of the world will do what they want and the people won't do a damn thing about it.

As long as they believe the government is acting in their best interests and as long as they have televisions and other shiny new toys to distract them then they won't care. We are in the minority! We are the ones who realise something reeks about this whole thing, yet we just sit each day and talk about what we don't know.

Make no mistake if this is some huge ploy to bring in some new global government, they will make it happen one way or another and we will sit here like lemons still discussing it, until it is too late. The government will declare martial law and we'll still be sat here. The pieces are there and we are slowly putting them together. People seem to think that some kind of nightmare Orwellian society would happen over night, rather than slowly encroach upon us.

I don't know what i am getting at here....well perhaps i do. I am not saying lets go out and riot. But "there comes a time when people get tired of being trampled over by the iron feet of oppression." Here on ATS we all seem to be preaching to the converted. The only way people will do anything is if they are angry, really angry. But we're not. We're frightened. You can say, oh i am not scared, but you are, you really are, deep down you're afraid, as am i, because you know something isn't quite right. Perhaps you can't quite put your finger on it, perhaps you don't really want to face it, but you know it all the same.

I often think of Martin Niemöller's poem, "First they came..."
For you personally how far will you be pushed? Just how far? The sad truth is however is that i am just the same, sat here typing and reading. But i often ask myself....how far will i be pushed?

I now await the inevitable flaming and criticism. You can say this is off topic if you like or that i am being alarmist. Fair enough, we are all entitled to our opinions here. As long as you have read this and taken it on board. As long as you realise!

You will get no flaming or criticism from me, my friend, for what you speak is the truth!!! I agree with you 100% and my prayer is that the day you speak of will come before it is too late..........

Thank you for sharing that with us! Star for you!!





[edit on 5/2/2009 by Champagne]

Originally posted by millionairemommy
reply to post by JBA2848

 

I'll be as brief as possible with my family's expeience. In Sept 2008 my husband came down suddently with a respiratory infection with high fever chills etc. In less than 12 hours he was spitting up clots of blood could not even put on his own shoes and I had to rush him to urgent care. He was diagnosed with pneumonia which I thought was odd since it came on suddenly. Prior to that day he did not have so much as a sniffle. It took about 3 weeks to get better and he coughed for over a month.

Thanks for sharing your experience, millionairemommy. What you describe your husband going through sounds similar to what a co-worker of mine experienced, although he didn't mention anything to me about spitting up blood. He had the same sudden onset of severe respiratory infection and high fever.

Hearing your report and others' descriptions of what they've experience in past several months, makes me suspicious this might have been undiagnosed H1N1.

reply to post by fullmoonfairy


We are from upstate SC where we now have 16 confirmed cases in the state. Though none are in our county. The county adjacent to us has a school closed Newberry Academy. I guess they had a field trip to Mexico and came back sick according to the news reports. Mauldin High School in Greenville county closed but cases turned out not to be of the H1N1 variety. Everyone here is acting pretty normal with not much talk. Had a friend sick for the last 2 weeks but none of her family sick. So it must have been something else. Sat beside her in church twice during this time and all is well with me. I think if this is what my family had then maybe we are all now immune. I pray so. On a side note when my oldest son was sick about 1/3 of the 4th grade was out sick with similar symptoms and because it also had some aspects of the stomac flu as well they were even considering that it was an outbreak of I think Norwalk virus. Not sure on that. But I do know that the school nurse who also works in Clemson Urgent Care said this had been an especially rough flu season. I know with my oldest son we were at the doctor 3 times in 2 weeks and emergency breathing treatments at hospital twice even though he was on treatments round the clock at home. i kept wondering why he wasn't hospitalized. They just kept treating and sending home. It was very frustrating.

Until Later,
Millionaire Mommy

Federal Troops Deployed in Mexico City

“George a citizen journalist from California has been told by Mexican nationals that federal troops have been used to stop protests of the government during the influenza or ‘The Panic’ as it is called by locals,” writes Williams. “Filming from ‘Pan More..ic Central’ George captures footage of a company strength unit of Mexican Federales deploying for an operation among the civilian population.”

Makes you wonder whats going on in mexico.

reply to post by Redpillblues


Wow, and i thought i was prepared with powdered milk and a poncho

I think your comment hits the nail on the head:

like a game of ring around the rosie

The irony of pandemics being cyclic, the big 'un every ~100 years, is that we have created our own evolutionary cycle with a Global village and 'cures' under patent/licensing.

On top of that, we have demographic infection that mutates the generic strain.

Can i live in your well please?

THis is from Veratect the company that predicted 18 days before alert was issued that there was going to be a outbreak.

US, New Jersey, Burlington County: Confirmed Case of Influenza A (H1N1) May Have Contracted the Virus from Person-to-Person Transmission

Can't believe I had forgotten this, but my husband just came up and we were talking about his experience. He is in industrial sales and service and works all over the place. The day he got sick he was setting up the account with the local hospital. That kind of freaks me out a little.

Until Later,
Millionaire Mommy

I think the one thing that made me get prepared for this type of thing is this..
a few years ago I got Chicken Pox..i dont know how,it even boggled the my doctor..It was the worse,I mean worse feeling sickness I have ever got in my life..I was bed ridden for 2 weeks,it was litteraly i thought to myself that mabe being dead will end the pain and agony...The pox in adults are known to kill..Even funnier is that my wife had gotten the pox when she was little and got them 3 weeks later..again boggled the doc..That doesnt happen very,very often if ever..

I swore to myself that I would never let something i cant even see put me in that much misery again...So thats why i kinda prepare for the worse..

reply to post by cornblossom

Originally posted by cornblossom

Originally posted by millionairemommy
reply to post by JBA2848

 

I'll be as brief as possible with my family's expeience. In Sept 2008 my husband came down suddently with a respiratory infection with high fever chills etc. In less than 12 hours he was spitting up clots of blood could not even put on his own shoes and I had to rush him to urgent care. He was diagnosed with pneumonia which I thought was odd since it came on suddenly. Prior to that day he did not have so much as a sniffle. It took about 3 weeks to get better and he coughed for over a month.

Thanks for sharing your experience, millionairemommy. What you describe your husband going through sounds similar to what a co-worker of mine experienced, although he didn't mention anything to me about spitting up blood. He had the same sudden onset of severe respiratory infection and high fever.

Hearing your report and others' descriptions of what they've experience in past several months, makes me suspicious this might have been undiagnosed H1N1.

damn sounds exactly what my friend at work went through last month. was out 3 weeks, high fever , vomiting, loose stool, sinus infection, even lost hearing in one ear and he said it screwed up one of his sinus cavities.
he said he would feel much better one day then the next day he would feel just as bad like he was going to die.

if the h1n1 virus has been around since september and it just now is killing people, what will the next mutation bring?
how many people have already died before this thing hit the msm?

they simply told my friend who was sick he had a virus and sinus infection. i told him when he got back to work he had swine flu and he was like , probably !

reply to post by JBA2848


oh great I infact live in south jersey...I knew it!!!

I posted this one 1/30/2009 here on ATS:

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Around 10 days ago I got sick I had fever, chills, shakes, headache, my ears are clogged and I have chest congestion, and frankly I have felt like the walking dead. The doctor told me I have the flu and strep throat and ear infections, so I have been taking 3 prescriptions and one of the pills I swear is the size of a grape. I work at a luxury hotel, or I used to work at a luxury hotel plus I have 3 kids going to 3 different schools so every bug that comes around I usually get, but not this bad. I have been really sick this time.

It took over a month for my ears to fully unclog, it was terrible. At the time I still worked for the Ritz so I had alot of contact with world travelers.

Anyway Im now a Green Cleaner and spent the day cleaning a company that has gone green, but they had us use bleach on everything, All touchable surfaces. This company is a laboratory that does tests on chickens and many of there employees are not from the USA and they do a bunch of international travel.

just a little creeped out!

[edit on 2-5-2009 by LDragonFire]

the plot thickens...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I found this very interesting picture that explains the infection process:

Link: cdnll-4.liveleak.com...

It was interesting to see the loop-back from human back to pig and how that could create a plethera of new strains.

I guess farmers need to stop being so 'friendly' with their piggies.

Solution: kill all intermediate hosts now before it's too late!

Edit: Fixed link

[edit on 2-5-2009 by PrisonerOfSociety]

At the end of October my husband and I were given flu shots. We didn't want them, but the doctor said because of our health problems if we were to get the flu we would die. So we took the shots. Three days later my husband, son, daughter-in-law, Grandson, and I came down with a virus. My Grandson and I had and still have the most severe symptoms: sore throat, congestion, very productive coughs, fever, earaches, difficulty breathing where you can watch our ribcages heaving when we try to breathe, lighheadedness, diareah, vomiting, and we are very tired.

This virus acts like it's going away, but then after a few weeks it comes back in full force. The baby vomits up bright yellow phlemn and now his mother is vomiting phlemn this time around. In between these flareups we still cough a lot, stay congested, and feel run down, but compared to when it is in full force, we do feel better.

The baby's doctors say it's just a cold and flu and there is nothing they can do for him. My doctor said it was bronchitis, treated it, no success, treated it again, still no success, and finally declared it an allergy and another doctor also said allergy, and I was given an inhaler and sent home. The other three don't even waste their times with the doctors on this as it's pointless. The doctors have no clue what it is here, so we just stay sick.

Maybe we will have to cough on the doctors the next time it flares up and when they get it they will be more likely to figure out what we have. I am just getting over the rough part again, so I doubt I would be contagious enough right now. I have been told by friends that there are other families with this same thing.


(I wouldn't really cough on the doctors, I'm just tired of being sick and the doctors not being able to figure out what's wrong.) I think the flu shot may have caused this, but there is no way to prove it.

[edit on 2-5-2009 by ahimsa]

The doctor that gave us these flu shots also gave us hepatitus A & B shots a few years ago when there was a false reading on my blood test and she was sure I had hepatitus or liver disease.

[edit on 2-5-2009 by ahimsa]

Bid to prevent flu concert panic

The Scottish Government has defended its decision not to tell hundreds of concertgoers that Britain's first swine flu victim was in the audience days before being diagnosed.

Newlywed Iain Askham, 27, went to see rock band Doves at an Edinburgh venue on April 23 after returning from his honeymoon in Cancun, Mexico.

Mr Askham was among the crowd at the 1,500-capacity HMV Picture House in Lothian Road two days after flying home, but told The People newspaper he had been advised not to reveal he had been at the concert.

He said: "I told them everything when I was in hospital. They suggested it was best not to mention it to anyone else so as not to cause any panic."

So even the Scottish Government is hiding the facts from the people.

Originally posted by PrisonerOfSociety
reply to post by Redpillblues

 

Wow, and i thought i was prepared with powdered milk and a poncho

I think your comment hits the nail on the head:

like a game of ring around the rosie

The irony of pandemics being cyclic, the big 'un every ~100 years, is that we have created our own evolutionary cycle with a Global village and 'cures' under patent/licensing.

On top of that, we have demographic infection that mutates the generic strain.

Can i live in your well please?

"Ring Around the Rosie", you may or may not know, was a children's game developed during , and in response to, the Bubonic Plague.


Ring around the "rosie" describes the appearance of an infected flea bite.

reply to post by ahimsa


Your post exemplifies what I dislike most about doctors. It's that "I know what's best for you so just do it" approach. Please find a new doctor who gives a # about you.

Current issues of concern over at the CDC:

1. The negative swab tests may not be quite so "negative" for TJ Trips.
2. TJ Trips may take close to a month to become lethal.

If this virus has a 3% infection rate, three weeks from now when the current infectees go into breathing distress and need respirators every hospital in the US will be packed full. Of course, the infection rate in Mexico was at least double that which means quite a few people won't be able to get medical care, just like Mexico.

Sorry for the long delay, I finally managed to get a few hours of sleep.

I still need confirmation on that post about Mexican victims being re-infected. ATS search isn't turning it up.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by ahimsa

 

Your post exemplifies what I dislike most about doctors. It's that "I know what's best for you so just do it" approach. Please find a new doctor who gives a # about you.

In a few weeks when it flares up again we will see our current doctor and if she still can't help us we will see someone else. Maybe a specialist in pulmonary (sp?) disease.

The other doctor saw I was allergic to codiene, deleted it from my records and prescribed codiene...I was so fed up with him that I finally just walked out. He was positive it was only allergies and was angry because we couldn't afford to pay cash for all the medicines he wanted me to take for it. I know what allergies are like as I have had them all my life, what we have is contagious and very different from any allergy, cold, or flu we have ever had.

reply to post by Bhadhidar
Star 4 U !

I haven't heard any mention of that reference in quite awhile...

I believe the pocket full of posy's was for a funeral/cremation/pyre offering and ashes, ashes, they all fall down was the reference for the aftermath of the collapsing pyre fires...

I think it was created in response to customs back then of passing down story's in rhyme so future generations wouldn't forget that event...

Sound right?



[edit on 5/2/2009 by Hx3_1963]