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Swine Flu news and updates thread

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posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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Thanks for your honestly and I wish you and yours only good things!

Hoping that we can continue to sort through the muck for some solid info so more of us will be better able to sleep tonight.




posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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Anyone else notice youtube have a LOT of "an error occurred, please try again in a couple of hours" messages?

I'm trying to watch some youtube videos on Jeff Rense's radio show about the swine and keep encountering this very often.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
Let me tell you this much. If you were talking to some of the people I'm talking to you'd know better than to believe anything the media or "official" channels are putting out.

They're going to lie to you until you can see this thing outside your door. No bull#, no fun and games and I don't want to scare people. I want people who are worthy to take action to protect themselves and their loved ones and do it NOW. If a bunch of ATS skeptics go extinct it's really no loss in my book.

This "re-infection" thing in Mexico is EXTREMELY critical folks. PLEASE help me find confirmation of this if it's true.

I would stop worrying about the official "numbers" and start working your own, more direct sources of intel if you want to even stand the slightest hope of being informed. I'm sitting on news so bad I won't even post it here or anywhere else.

Listen to me:



  1. This is not a "mild flu"
  2. Level 6 or not, it's time to keep the kids home and that means HOME, not the mall
  3. It's time to work from home or take some leave
  4. Avoid infection which means self isolation. Stay away from other people and animals
  5. It's time to stock up on food and needs. Do it late at night and wear protective gear while doing so



I'm not screwing around folks, I can't stress enough how critical this is and how REAL the intel is. If you knew where and who this was coming from you'd need to change your pants.


No offense, but why don't you tell us?

I've just listened to a video on youtube about how you can suddenly fall over and die bleeding from every orifice.

Try us please.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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Kinda makes you wonder why it isn't being implemented in other countries...

Maybe overkill, but if you look past the inconvenience of being monitored for a week or so to make sure you aren't infected, it really isn't that bad a move to help keep the spread of the virus down while the scientists are working up a vaccine.

Still haven't seen a confirmed China mainland victim, though I might have missed it. Seems like they are trying very hard to keep it that way.

Maybe that's the difference here, we already know that the US is infected, how widespread is still changing everday so it looks like the China prevention tactics wouldn't work here anyways, too late.

Just practice prevention and let the virus run it's course, let's hope it finishes with a whimper soon.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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In Norway in January 2008, unprecedented levels of oseltamivir resistance were found in 12 of 16 influenza viruses A (H1N1) tested. To investigate the epidemiologic and clinical characteristics of these viruses, we used sequence analysis to test all available subtype H1N1 viruses from the 2007–08 season for resistance. Questionnaires from physicians provided information on predisposing diseases, oseltamivir use, symptoms, and complications. Clinical data were obtained for 265 patients. In total, 183 (67.3%) of 272 viruses were oseltamivir resistant. Resistance was not associated with prior use of antiviral drugs. Symptoms and hospitalization rates did not differ for patients infected with a resistant or a susceptible virus. Oseltamivir-resistant influenza viruses A (H1N1) did not show diminished capability to spread in the absence of selective pressure. The ability of these viruses to sustain their fitness and spread among persons should be considered when shaping future strategies for treating and preventing seasonal and pandemic influenza.

www.cdc.gov...

Thread discussing this here



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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I bet you it came from Joe Biden via a secret memo exclusively obtained by Alex Jones and then forwarded to this member of ATS.




posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by LoneInDarkness
I think we are mostly all thinking the same thing... something is wrong. Just a week ago the WHO was preaching this to be horrible as was the rest of the world, we upgrade from a 3 to a 4 then a 4 to a 5 in a matter of about 5 days!!! Now all of the sudden it is slowly slipping away from mainstream media, not as many reports being made.

Some WHO officials and many other scientists are saying nothing to be feared from this, it is much weaker than the 1918 virus and still weaker than the common flu.... yet they are scrubbing seasonal flu vaccinations and making vaccinations for this flu... something is up, you don't change your opinion that fast. There was evidence for those upgrades and the fear they were going through, where did it all go?


hint: they worked out what the source was, and understand where it came from, and it was not what was first feared.

hint.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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whats this falling over and bleeding to death about, is this supposed to part of this virus or what?

[edit on 2-5-2009 by hounddoghowlie]



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by hounddoghowlie
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whats this falling over and bleeding to death about, is this supposed to part of this virus or what?

[edit on 2-5-2009 by hounddoghowlie]


I would take that with a pinch of salt, it was on alex jones show with dr deagle i think.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:51 PM
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There are some bio-weapons that once you breath basicaly you drop dead with blood coming out of all orifices.......



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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thanks, just reading and seen that thought maybe things took a turn.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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There are far more lethal ways to infect a population. If anyone is saying that the government was behind this outbreak, the government is really pathetic.

They successfully created a non-lethal, barely-transferable, and easy-to-defeat "super-bug."

Let's hope that the government, if they really do have some kind of super-bug, would do it better.

And, yes, deaths associated with nerve gasses are gruesomely horrific.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Falling over ill and eventually bleeding to death would be "ebola" and has nothing to do with the current flu outbreak! In case you hadn't been up on it; it was in Africa and not and out break like they had here in the USA or anywhere else for that matter.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Intriguing posts. Is there any chance you could just let us know some specifics you have been told about this virus - is it expected to peter out then return with a vengeance later in the year or are you getting intel to suggest "this is it", no break in it's activity, it's set to go ballistic...? Have you been definitively told of any deaths outside of Mexico, that kind of thing. I too would like a U2U if you don't want to get more specific but after what you've already implied , you may as well come out and lay all the cards on the table. If there's more to tell I'm sure it's nothing many haven't already imagined.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by operation mindcrime
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H1N1 originates from pigs in Mexico and thus the population there could be infected. Which means the virus only spreads to people who have been in contact with pigs??

Despite being called a swine flu, there is absolutely no evidence of any pig anywhere harbouring this particular disease.

It's actually part human flu, part bird flu, and part two swine flus from opposite sides of the world. Thus it's much more likely to have originated in a laboratory than in any animal.



This would mean that everybody who has been vistiting Mexico and got back infected most likely would have got this from some ill mexican (person-to-person transfer).

Quite right.

Although, if you are aware of how Aids was spread, and know much about other instances of people being made sick by immunisations, you might be wondering how many of the victims had recently been immunised.



Why would it make any difference were you got this flu. If you haven't been playing around with pigs in Mexico recently and you test positive for H1N1 you would have got it from an other person ,no matter what your geographical location is.

To predict chances of a major pandemic, you need to know whether this virus can keep moving from person to person, and if so, does it retain, increase or decrease in contagiousness and virulence.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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thanks i saw the hoffman movie



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Well, China has had it's share of SARS in the past, so you can't realy blame them for taking these measures. It's beter to shield off the source of a possible infection than to act on it later.

The Mexican government wasn't to happy about China's way of handeling thingsand has issued a travel warning for people traveling to China.

China has also banned all flights originating from Mexico and all flights originating from other countries where the flu is are being monitored.



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
Listen to me:



  1. This is not a "mild flu"
  2. Level 6 or not, it's time to keep the kids home and that means HOME, not the mall
  3. It's time to work from home or take some leave
  4. Avoid infection which means self isolation. Stay away from other people and animals
  5. It's time to stock up on food and needs. Do it late at night and wear protective gear while doing so



I'm not screwing around folks, I can't stress enough how critical this is and how REAL the intel is. If you knew where and who this was coming from you'd need to change your pants.


Now listen to me...

You have nothing to fear except distraction, disinformation and panic.

You have a very slight chance of getting the flu, which likely will bring on a runny nose, perhaps a cough, less likely are high fever, vomiting and diarrhea. Your chances of being exposed now are minimal, and you'd probably have a better chance at winning big in a casino than catching this bug... If you do treatments are available and everyone who has been treated has responded well in cases of early onset of illness. If you let it go without treatment you can expect the remote possibility of a respiratory infection that could be fatal.

There is no need for alarm.

This will all be over soon.

Don't waste your time and energies on spreading fear hysteria and panic as those things are more harmful than this virus.

I'm not screwing around either, if you knew who I got this from you'd need to change your pants.




posted on May, 2 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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Um...not exactly...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is news...only infinite? and a few others are actually posting it...

For a news and updates thread...not a lot...

Just my 2 cents...carry on...




[edit on 5/2/2009 by Hx3_1963]



posted on May, 2 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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In my opinion this thread is becoming somwhat obsolete. We sit here discussing who has caught the flu where and when, but really we are no clearer as to what is going on.

The only thing many of us seem to be in agreement about is that something isn't quite right. Why are we sat here discussing this? What ARE we discussing? Its just figures and places and we can't even be 100% sure of them.

I've read some posts suggesting, that this could all be a big set up for martial law and the NWO etc etc. Perhaps. We cannot be certain. But there have been strange coincidenes and incidents. The threads are there to read, about the vials being stolen from Fort Detrick, Obama meeting with someone who shortly afterwards allegedly died of the flu, the Scottish government preparing an emergency pandemic exercise on the day of the outbreak in Scotland, the dead microbiologists, not to mention the ridiculous waffle called media coverage. But we do not know for sure. Let us assume for one moment, that it is true. Well, so what? The governments of the world will do what they want and the people won't do a damn thing about it.

As long as they believe the government is acting in their best interests and as long as they have televisions and other shiny new toys to distract them then they won't care. We are in the minority! We are the ones who realise something reeks about this whole thing, yet we just sit each day and talk about what we don't know.

Make no mistake if this is some huge ploy to bring in some new global government, they will make it happen one way or another and we will sit here like lemons still discussing it, until it is too late. The government will declare martial law and we'll still be sat here. The pieces are there and we are slowly putting them together. People seem to think that some kind of nightmare Orwellian society would happen over night, rather than slowly encroach upon us.

I don't know what i am getting at here....well perhaps i do. I am not saying lets go out and riot. But "there comes a time when people get tired of being trampled over by the iron feet of oppression." Here on ATS we all seem to be preaching to the converted. The only way people will do anything is if they are angry, really angry. But we're not. We're frightened. You can say, oh i am not scared, but you are, you really are, deep down you're afraid, as am i, because you know something isn't quite right. Perhaps you can't quite put your finger on it, perhaps you don't really want to face it, but you know it all the same.

I often think of Martin Niemöller's poem, "First they came..."
For you personally how far will you be pushed? Just how far? The sad truth is however is that i am just the same, sat here typing and reading. But i often ask myself....how far will i be pushed?

I now await the inevitable flaming and criticism. You can say this is off topic if you like or that i am being alarmist. Fair enough, we are all entitled to our opinions here. As long as you have read this and taken it on board. As long as you realise!



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