New land for Israel, page 1
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Topic started on 25-4-2009 @ 01:49 PM by ufoorbhunter
A new land for Israel. Well let's just start start by saying once I was a supporter of Israel in its present location. I did go there and saw the reality of colonisation in the Middle East. Also I spent time on the ATS forum and I began to see the truth. I came round to the reality that you can't take another peoples land. The natives will never forget what you have done. You either do it like the US and Australia and exterminate the natives through war and imported disease or you face the reality that you have taken another peoples land and fight tooth and nail for it for eternity and that can only end in trouble for the children, in this age it may well mean ultime death because of the insane nuclear technologies. So what is the best thing for Israel? To me and please remember I do believe the people of Israel need a base following the atrocities commited in the past, need a base to help out their own, but they chose the wrong place, they really thought they could take another peoples land and that is never going to work when those oppressed are surrounding them and their friends in their hundreds of millions.

The Jews suffered terribly in the Second World War. There was mass murder on a sickening level, the Jews had no friends on this planet Earth. The USA and the UK could have helped out, just a squadron of bombers sent into Poland to bomb the railway lines to Aushwitz would have helped out. Let's be honest even when the Allied countries knew of the holocaust, they did absolutely nothing. The survivors can't be blamed for making a last stand somewhere, if everybody wanted to kill me and my family then I like you would make a last stand for sure. Point is they chose the wrong place, they decided to make a country in a land where people already existed. You just can't take another peoples land and expect to get away with it in the long term.

So Israel needs a new land. This is not a put down on the need for a new land for Israel, we all know how the Jews have suffered from not being able to fight back against agression for two millenia, the point is the Israelis chose the wrong land. Israel is a necessity for countering the same again. It just needs a new home where the natives will not be cast out, it needs a new virgin land to exist in without troubling others. I was thinking the now virtually deserted Scottish Western Islands that was proposed to the Chinese Brits in the 1990's. Alaska? Somewhere where the natives will not be pissed. Any ideas?


reply posted on 25-4-2009 @ 02:54 PM by masonwatcher
reply to post by ufoorbhunter



Whaaaaaaat! How come you had a 180 degree turn around? You argued your previous position with rigour and accused me along with others of being antiSemitic.

Anyway, I think most Israelis are accustomed to a high standard of living and have strong links with the US. Consequently, I propose New York State be the new promised land. There is plenty of room there, the Hamptons and lots of kith and kin amongst the natives.


reply posted on 25-4-2009 @ 02:58 PM by tothetenthpower
Umms, so we are going to give them more land so they can opress the people of it's neighbooring land as well? How fun!

No but seriously, Israel is fine where it is, it simply needs to stop being a douche to the rest of the world and attempt to live in PEACE.

The war has been over for 60 years, it's time to let bygones by bygones and realize that this whole " We have to me mean or else people will come take us away again" kind of mentality is far outdated and needs to be revised.

There are no winners to this conflict I might add, both parties are equality guilty of commiting crimes and agrevating eachother. There is no need to shake up the world stage and draw more "imaginary" lines in the sand to further seperate ourselves from eachother.

It's a simple matter of playing nice with the kids down the street.

Edit To Add: Even the thought of a country or group of people "owning" land is completely stupid and probably the thing that keeps us back as a species more than anything else.

There is a time when a species is growing where in-fighting becomes very apparent and very real. If that species is unable to group together and work as productive members of that society, then that species will fall.

We are soon approaching the time where we need to change, or be removed before we do more damage than we already have. Enough with this giving land to people and moving nations and opressing nations.

Love eachother for who you are, not where you live, be good to your neighboors. Our blood is all red when it hits air, that's all the proof I need that we are all the same.

Crazy people and your countries!

~Keeper

[edit on 4/25/2009 by tothetenthpower]


reply posted on 25-4-2009 @ 03:09 PM by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by breakingdradles


The land is Arab land. I was told this by an Amsterdammer "you can't take another peoples land" and these days I'm with him. The people who believe in Israel need a new land for their good and their own future survival. You can't take another peoples land without exterminating them (like the Aussies and the Yanks) and expect them to be happy about it. Time to find a New Israel. Is that place in central Asia, Biorodizstan or something like that given by the Soviets still available. I am no anti Israel guy, after the last two millenia of persecution they need a land, unfortunately taking land in the heart of Arabia was a big mistake. They chose the wrong land.


reply posted on 25-4-2009 @ 03:20 PM by ufoorbhunter
reply to post by masonwatcher


As you said "whaaaat." How can the Israeli people trust the USA? The US could have bombed Auschwitz any day anytime. They did nothing. Roosevelt was anti whatever anyway. The Jews learnt only they could save themselves. UK and USA and USSR did them no favours at all. Give them a deserted land that will not anger any natives and we may have real peace. Where is this proposed new Israel? Not in the ME for sure. Maybe the north of Canada, or Washington state in the USA. Seriously this is important, the future of mankind depends on it because Israel will never live in peace and there's lots of nuke tech there that needs moving to some 'safe' zone. I am no anto Israel guy matey and at the same time I'm no anti Arab either, I just see how giving each people in Europe their own land post WW2 has just about or sort of has given an undreamable peace for 60 years. Time has come to give the Israelis a New Israel, a big Israel, a fertile Israel, most seriously an Israel that does not hurt any natives. Peace....................................................



reply posted on 25-4-2009 @ 04:12 PM by breakingdradles
reply to post by ufoorbhunter




You seem to be missing a large point about the Jews that died by the hands of the Nazis.

Hitler was in power for YEARS before he started killing people, the Jews that had money, were long gone to Europe and America before anything started going wrong.

The Jews that were left behind, were the poor and expendible.

They were sacrificed by their more well off brothers, and in return, they got Israel.

Ask anyone in Israel right now if they would take back the holocaust if it meant they no longer had israel...

You might be supprised by what you'd hear!


reply posted on 25-4-2009 @ 06:06 PM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by hounddoghowlie



Sure, we can talk fairytale land or we can actually talk about what REALLY happened in this reality, not some pseudo-christian made up one.

This has nothing to do with God or religion, please keep that topic off this thread as it will do nothing but make this into a screaming match between christians and non-christians.

God didn't give anybody anything exept for a soul, if that. PEOPLE with good or bad intentions made the world the way it is today and it is up to US to fix it, not some all powerful entity.

Besides, I'm sure he has more important things to do. I think George Carlin is playing at the limbo lounge tonight .

~Keeper

[edit on 4/25/2009 by tothetenthpower]
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