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Biotechnology Company Provided Advance Warning of Mexican H1N1 "Swine Flu" Virus Outbreak

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posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 06:13 AM
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Just wondering if these has coonection to the Ebola Reston virus found in pigs in the Phillipines which was transferred to humans...

www.postchronicle.com...

Wouldn't it be possible that if these two are combined then mutates then the dreaded swine flu can now be transferred to humans???

Am no expert, but just wondering....




posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 06:36 AM
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My analysis based on current data:

1. This outbreak is a bioweapon. The genetic makeup, especially the existence of Eurasian genetic material in a virus which broke out in Mexico indicates transportation. The combination of AB and H5N1 with H1N1 is not a likely mix from nature.

2. The virus has been designed with a long incubation and is a variant of the Spanish Flu with it's genetic oddities intact. This virus was built to intentionally slow containment responses with the end goal being a mutation of the H5N1 payload into a human to human, airborne configuration.

3. Response is slow and people are remaining exposed in the US because of the lack of fatalities. The first detection in Mexico occurred on April 13 with the mass fatalities taking 10 days plus to begin en masse. This is not a normal incubation / outbreak wave.

4. Only the news of the outbreak in Mexico combined with US residents who have traveled there recently triggered detection of the current US cases. The numerous carriers of the virus who are still in incubation right now will probably result in a wave of US fatalities as the fully incubated virus goes active in the next week. The US emergency mgt system will be hit with a flood of victims almost instantly. By the time the government alerts the media to instruct people to go into self containment it will be too late. This week as people go to work, children go to school and so on the incubating virus will be spreading. Perhaps the too soon delivered vaccine will contain the trigger which causes the H5N1 payload to mutate. Imagine surviving the first wave only to die over a horrible weekend from bird flu.

5. The first wave will hit like the Spanish flu with a second wave of the eventual H5N1 fully collapsing any remaining system. Expect the second wave to go active just as the EMS begins to climb out from under the first wave. First responders, Doctors, etc will be the first to go in wave #2.

The 150 or so scientists capable of detecting the fingerprints of bio engineering of the virus (given it used bits and parts from most of there work) are no longer among the living, unfortunately.

I hope to God I'm completely wrong.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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THE ONLY DEFENSES TO THIS VIRUS ARE THE FOLLOWING
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#1 - COLLOIDAL SILVER American Biotech Labs
Look at the "Congressional Testimony" link and the "Reasearch" link.

Colloidal Silver deals primarily with "Virus" & "Bacteria" but is not very good with "Fungi" (The swine flu is "Virus" only)

Colloidal Silver Kills:
- MRSA (Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aurus) sp.
- Hepatitis A & B
- Malaria
- Colds, Flus, Ear, Eyes, Nose, Throat, Bladder, Kidney infections
- Etc...read more of the official reports provided in the link above

Suggested usage if one does contract the "Swine Flu" is to take a few Teaspoons/swig consistently every couple of hours throughout the day(s) until gone...or put a few teaspoons in your Glass of water that you drink throughout the day...this stuff may actually "Save Your Life"....

The number of bottles required will depend on how long it takes to kick it (7 Days would be about 5x16oz [470ml] bottles @ $30 each)

Can be purchased at any local "GNC" or "Health Food" store...

You can easily make your own for yourself and others when this thing hits the fan by using a machine that I personally own (I am not affiliated with this company) called the "SilverGen SG6" model (WWW.SILVERGEN.COM)...do not take any Colloidal Silver that is "Yellow" in Color as you will most likely turn "Blue" as a result (Argyria)...All Good Colloidal Silver will be crystal clear, tasteless and odorless and should be of "Nano-Particle" sizes...there might be a very slight "Metallic" taste but not overwhelming...

This stuff will last well over 10 years on the shelf...as far as I know and researched...I have not really seen any expiry date for Colloidal Silver...but should be stored in "Glass" or "PETE" containers so the silver does not get leached out...


#2 - OREGANO OIL

Is good with "Virus", "Bacteria" & "Fungi" and boosts the Immune system as well.


#3 - ECHINACEA (pronounced "Ek-in-aysha")

Super Immune Booster...the best type is the "Liquid" type...dry powdered or capsuled types are virtually useless...


#4 - OSCILLOCOCCINUM

Oscillococcinum (commonly shortened to Oscillo[1]) is a homeopathic alternative medicine marketed to relieve influenza-like symptoms. It is one of the most popular homeopathic preparations, particularly in France. The name Oscillococcinum is owned by a French company, Boiron, its sole manufacturer. There are, however, other manufacturers who make similar preparations. This homeopathic product is now used in more than 50 countries worldwide. In France, it has been in production for over 65 years. Despite some trials indicating minor effects on influenza symptoms, available evidence does not support efficacy beyond placebo.[2][3][4][5]

Excerpt taken from Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org...)


If anybody else has anything else to add...please feel free to do so...

Thanks and good luck to all...



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
My analysis based on current data:

1. This outbreak is a bioweapon. The genetic makeup, especially the existence of Eurasian genetic material in a virus which broke out in Mexico indicates transportation. The combination of AB and H5N1 with H1N1 is not a likely mix from nature.



I don't think H5N1 is in the mix there. Can you give a source?

This article says that the North American avian flu that's in the mix is NOT H5N1.

news.yahoo.com...



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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I know It was planned and released by them, and when it is on the TV saying it WILL happen again, I took it as a threat... Now we have this..

How can they KNOW something is to come UNLESS they do it theirselves.


Sick PTB, Just sick.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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You make sense and it terrifies me.
Thanks for the clarity and I personally believe it's MUCH better to "know" than to stick one's head in the sand.
I am amazed at the numbr of people I have spoken with who are like,"Flu? What flu?"



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 09:43 AM
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Who gives a flying fu*k. I'm tired of being afraid of the bird ful, pig flu, and the rage virus. They already have us backed into a corner with fear but I still know there is a chance for us to win.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 10:10 AM
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Just to add another link to Baxter's "accident". This is a relatively old story, from what I've learned so far the shipment was made mid January and all specimen destroyed by early February.

Chilling that such negligence is covered up and forgotten about.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Teeky
Who gives a flying fu*k. I'm tired of being afraid of the bird ful, pig flu, and the rage virus. They already have us backed into a corner with fear but I still know there is a chance for us to win.


yep exactly people should always remember than mankind as a whole is extremely hard to kill off, no matter how hard people try. I think this is just nature, but even if it is not, the people running society have seen enough times that humans in great numbers are very hard to kill, while they may get a few here and there. even ww2, only killed of 60 million, and although bad, came no where near any of there targets.

So lets not get into the fear thing they want, and just remember how many die every year of normal flu. Do not let hysteria, guide you instead of facts, and thsi way you will not be a sheep.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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Maybe someone did engineer it. At this point, who cares? We can worry about that when it is over. I originally felt certain that someone made this.

I have managed to rationalize how it could have occured naturally. Avian, human, and swine viruses combine naturally all the time, do we all agree? I was suspicious about how components from 2 strains of swine viruses, from 2 other continents, got into the current mix.

In Sonora, there is a company called TOPIGS and they do business in a few dozen countries. There is the likely source of the European and Asian swine components of this virus. Combine that with most people in mexico having a pig or two, and here we are, an epidemic of a new virus.

I am not letting anyone off the hook. I am just thinking of how it could have occured naturally. But hey, if you want to form an angry mob and go burning the elites houses with them inside, please, don't let me stop you.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by tamusan]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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:: nod nod :: I must agree that this is most likely NOT a bio-warfare event... Though we do need a natural culling on an epic scale to attempt to balance some things out... I have military based first responder experience for the New Orleans Disaster back in '05 91W1P. The threat of an epidemic event was rather high during that first week, what seemed to prevent an event though was the fact we divided up the potentially viable pooling sources and sent them all over the country... Which would seem counter productive but it worked in that situation(would not want to try it in this situation)... Many of us thought we had came down with malaria after returning back to base... Could have been the immediate effects of PTSD because all tests came back negative but everyone seemed to recover around the same time(2-3 months later)...

~ LeAto



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by ecoparity
My analysis based on current data:

1. This outbreak is a bioweapon. The genetic makeup, especially the existence of Eurasian genetic material in a virus which broke out in Mexico indicates transportation. The combination of AB and H5N1 with H1N1 is not a likely mix from nature.

--Your wrong. Its not a god damn bio weapon. The manipulation of something like this could only have been done in one place, here, so I highly highly doubt we would use it on Mexico. ITS NOT A BIOWEAPON.

2. The virus has been designed with a long incubation and is a variant of the Spanish Flu with it's genetic oddities intact. This virus was built to intentionally slow containment responses with the end goal being a mutation of the H5N1 payload into a human to human, airborne configuration.

--No actually the incubation time is no different than any other flu.

3. Response is slow and people are remaining exposed in the US because of the lack of fatalities. The first detection in Mexico occurred on April 13 with the mass fatalities taking 10 days plus to begin en masse. This is not a normal incubation / outbreak wave.

--from an epidemiology stand point, its completely normal. 3-7 day incubation, nothing new there, and it popping up in groups is also normal

4. Only the news of the outbreak in Mexico combined with US residents who have traveled there recently triggered detection of the current US cases. The numerous carriers of the virus who are still in incubation right now will probably result in a wave of US fatalities as the fully incubated virus goes active in the next week. The US emergency mgt system will be hit with a flood of victims almost instantly. By the time the government alerts the media to instruct people to go into self containment it will be too late. This week as people go to work, children go to school and so on the incubating virus will be spreading. Perhaps the too soon delivered vaccine will contain the trigger which causes the H5N1 payload to mutate. Imagine surviving the first wave only to die over a horrible weekend from bird flu.

--This is the truest thing you have said. I too believe we are f-ed.

5. The first wave will hit like the Spanish flu with a second wave of the eventual H5N1 fully collapsing any remaining system. Expect the second wave to go active just as the EMS begins to climb out from under the first wave. First responders, Doctors, etc will be the first to go in wave #2.

--No. No. No.

The 150 or so scientists capable of detecting the fingerprints of bio engineering of the virus (given it used bits and parts from most of there work) are no longer among the living, unfortunately.

--I am one
. Show me some SNPs and Ill give you a fingerprint.

I hope to God I'm completely wrong.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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Well,
it's all panning out to be another non event as far as the end of the World is concerned.

If it was so bad then how come the kids in New York etc have only mild symptoms?

Maybe it's already mutated from the strain in Mexico & it isn't as nasty.

The fact that no one outside of Mexico has died seems to suggest, to me at least, that it's a lot of worrying about nothing.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by Power_Semi]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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Trust me on this people, it is almost certainly, without a doubt, not a bio-threat event. At all. We have an agency for this, NBFAC, and since they haven't come forward and pinned it as a bio-threat event (which they would immediately, because its more funding and project work for them if it is) then it most likely is not.

RNA alone, not even RNA viruses, is so difficult to manipulate, and what you guys are talking about doing with this RNA is ASTRONOMICAL relative to the field. Very, very few places are capable of performing such manipulations, and I have to say they are all USA located. I highly doubt, even if we did manipulate it, we would plan a release for Mexico, our neighboring country.

An engineering project such as this, would take years and an unbelievable amount of serial passages through cell cultures, animals etc. We surely would have found out about something like that now, or at least I would know about it given my position, and I can tell you 100% we have no flu manipulation programs. Just one pandemic preparedness program, because we are so far over due for a wide spread biological event. Thats it people, stop trying to point fingers and place blame, the biological terrorist here is mother earth.


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This is NOT a non-event! Just because people aren't dying doesn't mean its a non-event! You all are so fatalistic. The strain alone of millions of millions of people getting sick (not dying, just sick) is going to be something our world will have to recover from. Since we will be recovering from this pandemic, I think its safe to believe its an EVENT.

So far it looks like the human-human transmission of this knocks down the pathogenicity. Which is a good sign, but that does not mean its going to infect less people. Its going to infect millions upon millions, and its going to kill 10% of those. Also, it was proven the NYC children did not have swine flu (most of them anyway).

If you want to keep arguing with me about this, I have to ask your credentials, because its worthless to waste anymore time trying to explain these things to a layman, especially an ignorant one.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by retroviralsounds]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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No, you are wrong.

The New York children have now been confirmed to have swine flu, and they are not dead.

What this is panning out to be is a flu epidemic, nothing more, nothing less, and calling me fatalistic when you're claiming 10% of everyone who contracts it is going to die is laughable.

No one outside of Mexico is dead - ergo, you're getting your knickers in a big twist over nothing.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Power_Semi
No, you are wrong.

The New York children have now been confirmed to have swine flu, and they are not dead.

What this is panning out to be is a flu epidemic, nothing more, nothing less, and calling me fatalistic when you're claiming 10% of everyone who contracts it is going to die is laughable.

No one outside of Mexico is dead - ergo, you're getting your knickers in a big twist over nothing.



Are you kidding me? I do understand that no one (apparently) in the US has died from second hand H1N1. I do not know about you, but I enjoy my health, and I do not want to be infected with ANY.THING. Period. Especially something that has a history of fatalities in the very, very recent past.

And by definition, since it has jumped continents, it can be classified as a pandemic.

I'm not here fear mongering, I still think its 50/50 whether its going to blow up, honest answer is, no one knows. But me, knowing what I know, I'd rather be safe than sorry. You take your non-event attitude over some sort of preparation, and you will be the one running for the hills trying to escape the bug, while we are unphased because we took the time to prepare ourselves.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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I have been following this very closely but what baffles me is why are the patients in MX dying and the US is just getting sick? What of the subtypes that they are matching different? The CDC said that 7 of the 14 variants are identical matches to the MX swine virus, what about the other 7?

What is making this just different enough to kill in one area and not the other? My fear is that people in the US won't take enough precaution because they are going to think that it's not deadly here.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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You're not scare mongering eh?

So what's this talk of "running for the hills" then?

If you were a scientist (& we should really be asking for YOUR credentials), then you'd be looking at the facts, not jumping to wild conclusions.

The facts are that people outside of Mexico have contracted swine flu and have recovered largely by themselves, no specialist treatment necessary.

10% of them are NOT dead - ZERO PERCENT of them have died.

We have flu outbreaks every year. This is shaping up to be no different.

A few people get a mild flu for a few days & then go back to work.

Big deal.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Again I thank you and others whose calm voices of reason are truly helping some of us with our own decisions and choices.

It's damn hard being a thinking human these days!


Some of us who fight chronic respitory disease every single day truly do have to cull through a lot of BS in order to determine what might be "best" for us.

[edit on 26-4-2009 by irishchic]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by irishchic
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Again I thank you and others whose calm voices of reason are truly helping some of us with our own decisions and choices.

It's damn hard being a thinking human these days!


[edit on 26-4-2009 by irishchic]


The problem is that most of you are non thinking Human beings.

You're all so wrapped up in the excitement that "this might be the big one" that you can't see that you're getting swept up in the hype.

The sad thing is that most of you read like you're secretly enjoying this, like it'll be a big adventure if people start dropping like flies.



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