Come on ATS... You guys are smarter than this.

Why would we need to torture anybody when we have the technolgoy / chemistry to create truth serums? This whole torture thing is a white wash to make America look bad.

The Iraq incedent (torture) is going to make us look bad... but we didn't cover it up?

We could of planted WMD's in Iraq also.

We all agree that TPTB are globalists... but what country are they going to paint as the evil empire? US!!!!! THE USA!!!!

We have the biggest debt
We have a hunger for war
We are the people that torture
We are the people that want to spread (fake)democracy
We are the people that are going to get 100% of the blame when 9-11 is exposed.

And most importantly... We are the country that is the most violent & most divided because of this media propaganda that wants to paint everything Right & Left and Black & White.


America is being set up to look like the Ultimate Bad Guy to the rest of the world.

When 9-11 is exposed... we will only get half of the truth.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by Doomsday 2029]

Not to get flamed, but would we be more like the jews, the blame given ones for everything from the Nazis, will one country stand and prosecute america, say we were wrong and have done everything wrongfully,

Are we the reason for all the problems in the world. This seems like a more useful tactic. Does it ring not to be.

Don't want to be flamed please, just in the mind set of the OP, this sets it off for me to say this.

Originally posted by Republican08
Not to get flamed, but would we be more like the jews, the blame given ones for everything from the Nazis, will one country stand and prosecute america, say we were wrong and have done everything wrongfully,

Are we the reason for all the problems in the world. This seems like a more useful tactic. Does it ring not to be.

Don't want to be flamed please, just in the mind set of the OP, this sets it off for me to say this.

Republican 08 is your name... and you are playing their game.

was 9-11 a false flag operation? yes or No.

Naomi Wolf's End of America tells exactly how Bush is taking the exact same steps as Hitler did when he began convincing people that what he was doing was right and getting people to agree with him, and so forth. I suggest the OP read this is he believes our gov't is being portrayed as Nazi Germany.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Originally posted by Republican08
Not to get flamed, but would we be more like the jews, the blame given ones for everything from the Nazis, will one country stand and prosecute america, say we were wrong and have done everything wrongfully,

Are we the reason for all the problems in the world. This seems like a more useful tactic. Does it ring not to be.

Don't want to be flamed please, just in the mind set of the OP, this sets it off for me to say this.

Republican 08 is your name... and you are playing their game.

was 9-11 a false flag operation? yes or No.

It was bound to come up sooner or later, trust me if I could change my username it would've been changed by now.

Gun to head, I would say it was staged, (If Bush was holding the gun, no it wasn't staged )


I'm also curious to your doomsday 2029, haven't heard a thing about that, off in a whisk of a tornado to look for this! Only heard of 2012 so far. Looks interesting. (No sarcasm I'm serious, cool stuff on here right!?!?)


Okay, looked it up it's the meteor thing I've heard about it, but still no reason not to keep a steady eye on it. ( No Sarcasm )

[edit on 25-4-2009 by Republican08]

[edit on 25-4-2009 by Republican08]

First I have to say we don't have a truth serum. We do however have scopolamine, temazepam, ethanol, and some barbiturates, sometimes cannabis, and sodium thiopental. These drugs don't force you to tell the truth they do however mess with your higher cognitive function. In fact in order to work as a truth serum the person receiving the drug needs to believe he/she cant lie under the drugs influence. If anything these drugs make you more talkative.

They did try to cover up the whole torture thing.

Its been a while but I don't recall WMDs being found in Iraq, I could be wrong though.

You are right America isn't a democracy its a very real republic ran by the incompetent and lazy (Us and the politicians)

Were also not the most violent nor divided country in the world.

Personally I don't think 9/11 was an inside job. The government is like I said incompetent and lazy not evil.


[edit on 25-4-2009 by Anubis_4400]

[edit on 25-4-2009 by Anubis_4400]

Originally posted by Anubis_4400
First I have to say we don't have a truth serum. We do however have scopolamine, temazepam, ethanol, and some barbiturates, sometimes cannabis, and sodium thiopental. These drugs don't force you to tell the truth they do however mess with your higher cognitive function. In fact in order to work as a truth serum the person receiving the drug needs to believe he/she cant lie under the drugs influence. If anything these drugs make you more talkative.

They did try to cover up the whole torture thing.

Its been a while but I don't recall WMDs being found in Iraq, I could be wrong though.

You are right America isn't a democracy its a very real republic ran by the incompetent and lazy (Us and the politicians)

Were also not the most violent nor divided country in the world.

Personally I don't think 9/11 was an inside job. The government is like I said is incompetent and lazy not evil.


[edit on 25-4-2009 by Anubis_4400]

Well, it sucks to be you... And I mean that in a humble way.

Because Life is kinda hard for me right now... But Life might be great for you at the moment.

But if you are on ATS and you are trying to discover the truth... It sucks to be you.

incompetent? Keep believeing that theory and you will never get the truth.

Look... We all know our mainstream media is controled... We've known this...

Now our media is trying to divide us!!!

Our Media is trying to divide us.

Obama was elected to do what?

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Originally posted by Anubis_4400
First I have to say we don't have a truth serum. We do however have scopolamine, temazepam, ethanol, and some barbiturates, sometimes cannabis, and sodium thiopental. These drugs don't force you to tell the truth they do however mess with your higher cognitive function. In fact in order to work as a truth serum the person receiving the drug needs to believe he/she cant lie under the drugs influence. If anything these drugs make you more talkative.

They did try to cover up the whole torture thing.

Its been a while but I don't recall WMDs being found in Iraq, I could be wrong though.

You are right America isn't a democracy its a very real republic ran by the incompetent and lazy (Us and the politicians)

Were also not the most violent nor divided country in the world.

Personally I don't think 9/11 was an inside job. The government is like I said is incompetent and lazy not evil.


[edit on 25-4-2009 by Anubis_4400]

Well, it sucks to be you... And I mean that in a humble way.

Because Life is kinda hard for me right now... But Life might be great for you at the moment.

But if you are on ATS and you are trying to discover the truth... It sucks to be you.

incompetent? Keep believeing that theory and you will never get the truth.

When I first joined ATS I had the same mind set as you. I thought everything was a conspiracy, but I soon realized the truth. Yes were all incompetent and lazy, we know the government does stupid things and yet we allow it to continue. We tell our self's we have no control over it but we do.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by Anubis_4400]

Only 99%? Hey people, we aren't being made just to look like Nazi Germany, it never ended. It just meandered its way on over here. It is everywhere from our leaders to our police to our schools to our technology. The technology we don't know about, that is. Jim Marrs' book "Rise of the Fourth Reich" is an excellent source and a wonderful read about this very thing.

yeah, i am starting to think the nazis are taking over america. from behind the scenes. in banking, big business, cia etc. nasa. the brought those nazi scientists over in project paperclip, but its the bankers who have always had ties to nazis etc - but it goes deeper - secret society ties, etc. Jim Marr's book Rule by Secrecy is a bit of an eye opener and seems v well researched.

then with all this talk of FEMA camps, etcs, i am getting a bit nervous. of course, no one believes it. problem is, no one in germany believed that the jews were being trucked to camps and gassed either until it was discovered at the end of the war. it happened right under normal peoples noses and they had no idea. everyone in germany thought hitler was a reasonably ok guy at the start - they certainly had no idea what he was up to.

i mean the problem is, with secret organisations that no one in govt even really has access or the right to penetrate, then it comes down to TRUSTING these secret orgs like cia/fbi not to misuse their power; not to be used for the wrong purposes. i personally wouldnt trust them as far as i could kick them. why should i? why should i trust anyone who's keepin secrets from me (and they are)? if you have real democracy it means full knowledge of ALL decisions made by the govt and why. otherwise its not democracy at all; its just people you dont know making decisions for you and bout things and for reasons you arent priviledged to have access to.

its nice that people are so trusting. but cattle are trusting too, and look what we do to them.

Originally posted by Anubis_4400
First I have to say we don't have a truth serum.

Not to be rude or anything, but how would you know that? I'm not so sure that the CIA, fx, would tell us if they had.