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Is this for real ?? Robert Welch 1958!!

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posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:28 PM
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Not sure what to say about this.

Just watch the video


mrfeature.com...




posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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I have never seen this before..... If true, and not voice dubbed, it sounds like this dude has witnessed the game plan. He seems to be laying out everything happening right now, in that speech.

Who he is, how he knew, who knows..... But, star and flag for more attention to it.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by LostNemesis
I have never seen this before..... If true, and not voice dubbed, it sounds like this dude has witnessed the game plan. He seems to be laying out everything happening right now, in that speech.

Who he is, how he knew, who knows..... But, star and flag for more attention to it.


I thought it was voice dubbed too, but i watched his mouth, it's perfect to what he says, no way was it dubbed.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:42 PM
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The Birch Society he speaks of.... www.jbs.org...

Well, I am amazed at how he saw all of this coming. Friends 'in the know' ?

I liked how he mentioned the elites inflicting themselves upon a gullible world. Heh.

Will watch this thread. And hope people take the few mins to watch, and post their thoughts.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:49 PM
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incredible footage

what was the event?



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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Not too sure, it says the footage came from 2 speeches he had at his society meetings/dinners www.jbs.org...

It is obviousely footage taken of him speaking to people that belong to his society, they certainly seem to agree with what he is saying.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:54 PM
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I am stunned!
This needs to go viral!
Star and Flag is an understatement.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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the problem i have the JBS is that they at the core want to entwine religion deeper in the government, thus allowing the pope more power and we would see a new (yet modern) middle ages perhaps...

scary



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by SkitzoFrenic

Not sure what to say about this.

Just watch the video


mrfeature.com...


Thank you for sharing this. I would have regretted never seeing it.

I must find out more about this man's ideas.

S&F



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Good thing you didn't put $1,000 in the S&P 500 in 1958. You would be forced to live on dividends of $3500 per year from your original investment.

For reference the average salary was $5800 in 1958. You earned 100 times your money in the last 50 years in the S&P 500 just sitting on your hands. To equal growth in wages you would have to earn $580,000 today.
Notice how 1965-1974 looks like versus our last 10-12 years. Also note what happened afterwards.

S&P 500 with dividends reinvested 1958-2009
Date Investments Dividend income Cumulative dividend income Capital gains Shares held Total value
1/1/1958 $1,000 $0 $0 $0 25 $1,000
12/31/1958 $0 $45 $45 $0 26 $1,433
12/31/1959 $0 $48 $93 $0 27 $1,604
12/31/1960 $0 $53 $146 $0 28 $1,612
12/31/1961 $0 $57 $203 $0 29 $2,046
12/31/1962 $0 $62 $265 $0 30 $1,868
12/31/1963 $0 $69 $333 $0 31 $2,294
12/31/1964 $0 $78 $411 $0 32 $2,672
12/31/1965 $0 $87 $498 $0 33 $3,005
12/31/1966 $0 $95 $592 $0 34 $2,702
12/31/1967 $0 $100 $692 $0 35 $3,349
12/31/1968 $0 $108 $800 $0 36 $3,720
12/31/1969 $0 $115 $915 $0 37 $3,406
12/31/1970 $0 $118 $1,033 $0 38 $3,540
12/31/1971 $0 $120 $1,153 $0 40 $4,047
12/31/1972 $0 $127 $1,279 $0 41 $4,815
12/31/1973 $0 $140 $1,419 $0 42 $4,108
12/31/1974 $0 $155 $1,574 $0 44 $3,021
12/31/1975 $0 $165 $1,739 $0 46 $4,145
12/31/1976 $0 $190 $1,929 $0 48 $5,137
12/31/1977 $0 $228 $2,157 $0 50 $4,770
12/31/1978 $0 $261 $2,418 $0 53 $5,083
12/31/1979 $0 $307 $2,724 $0 56 $6,029
12/31/1980 $0 $353 $3,077 $0 59 $7,985
12/31/1981 $0 $399 $3,476 $0 62 $7,592
12/31/1982 $0 $437 $3,914 $0 66 $9,228
12/31/1983 $0 $475 $4,389 $0 69 $11,309
12/31/1984 $0 $528 $4,916 $0 72 $12,019
12/31/1985 $0 $579 $5,495 $0 75 $15,832
12/31/1986 $0 $631 $6,126 $0 78 $18,787
12/31/1987 $0 $693 $6,819 $0 80 $19,774
12/31/1988 $0 $793 $7,612 $0 83 $23,049
12/31/1989 $0 $932 $8,545 $0 86 $30,340
12/31/1990 $0 $1,055 $9,599 $0 89 $29,396
12/31/1991 $0 $1,102 $10,702 $0 92 $38,333
12/31/1992 $0 $1,154 $11,856 $0 95 $41,249
12/31/1993 $0 $1,206 $13,062 $0 97 $45,398
12/31/1994 $0 $1,299 $14,360 $0 100 $45,995
12/31/1995 $0 $1,398 $15,758 $0 103 $63,258
12/31/1996 $0 $1,546 $17,304 $0 105 $77,772
12/31/1997 $0 $1,641 $18,945 $0 107 $103,710
12/31/1998 $0 $1,743 $20,688 $0 108 $133,346
12/31/1999 $0 $1,821 $22,509 $0 110 $161,400
12/31/2000 $0 $1,797 $24,306 $0 111 $146,709
12/31/2001 $0 $1,759 $26,065 $0 113 $129,286
12/31/2002 $0 $1,823 $27,888 $0 114 $100,724
12/31/2003 $0 $2,008 $29,896 $0 117 $129,599
12/31/2004 $0 $2,284 $32,180 $0 119 $143,691
12/31/2005 $0 $2,656 $34,836 $0 121 $150,742
12/31/2006 $0 $3,031 $37,867 $0 123 $174,531
12/31/2007 $0 $3,442 $41,309 $0 125 $184,111
12/31/2008 $0 $3,595 $44,904 $0 128 $116,008
3/31/2009 $0 $767 $45,671 $0 129 $103,269
Total $1,000 $45,671 $45,671 $0 129 $103,269



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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My apologies....

There is already a thread on this specific video

Here is the link


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by SkitzoFrenic

Not sure what to say about this.

Just watch the video


mrfeature.com...


Is anyone else having trouble getting this link to work? I really want to watch this thing too!



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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I'm still waiting for the mind blowing part. If the video was 50 years older it still wouldn't blow my mind, except for the technological ramifications.
His idea are nothing new. I'm sure the founding fathers saw it coming.
It truly would be a great idea if EVERYBODY minded their own business but, oh well. Toss a little religion in there and it all goes to #.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 04:57 PM
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Why does everyone keep saying this footage is from 1958? It was 1974! He first quotes himself from a 1958 meeting but the footage itself was from 1974.

He was correct on the following points:
-Sell off American sovereignty to overseas interests.
-Blowing out of government spending.
-Greater socialistic controls over our everyday lives.

But I think he got it totally wrong for his 'glimpse of the future', every point he got it totally wrong in my opinion.

Restore complete independence of the United States - get the UN out of the US. A complete fallacy. The US have become completely co-dependent on foreign markets, interwoven in this global economy. China being the prime example. They both need eachother, if one goes down you bring the other one down too. As for the UN, the US are the UN!!!!! If Israel are under the microscope, the US with their right of veto, will bail them out every time! They run the UN!!!

Return to gold-backed currency. Wrong again. The strategy is to make the DOLLAR King, to get far away from gold as possible, then collapse the fractional reserve system responsible for flooding the market with dollars, to bring in a solution of a unified global currency unit. The Rothschilds are all about REMOVING gold from circulation and hoarding it. That's what they did in the last Depression. Gold is irrelevant to the overall game plan! It's all about crashing the dollar and making their own Allied Unit the future NWO currency standard.... not gold!

Withdraw all American troops out of foreign lands. And yet the OPPOSITE has been happening in the last ten years. America have become the "neighbourhood watch" of the world, poking their noses everywhere, starting wars in foreign lands. Obama broke an election promise to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and is actually INCREASING troop numbers there!

Reduce Federal Govt employees by 50% - hmm ok maybe.. I'll give him that one. But I think this doesn't affect the level of government intervention directly in our lives - fascism is dictated by policy, not people.

Get government out of areas where it shouldn't be. I think we are seeing more intervention by government in our lives, not less. Patriot Act, anyone?

So, while he may be correct about predicting the credit crisis (which was orchestrated anyway.. it doesn't take an Einstein to work that one out!), on every other point he made, he was well wide of the mark in my opinion.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by RiotComing]



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by warrenb
the problem i have the JBS is that they at the core want to entwine religion deeper in the government, thus allowing the pope more power and we would see a new (yet modern) middle ages perhaps...

scary


Where did you get the notion of John Birch Society support of the pope? I've known about them for years, and that's the first I've heard of it.

They were the original 'right wing nutjobs", and were severely villified and nearly submerged by the "left wing nutjobs" in the '60s.

John Birch Society was formed against Communism in the US originally, and so it's not surprising that the left of the '60s let 'em have it with both barrels, as There were some thoroughly communist elements in that movement. I remember all the support for Che and everybody gettin' their own copies of Chairman Mao's "Little Red Book" to follow, and I was just a kid. Matter of fact, the recent upsurge in "Che" t-shirts has concerned me, since a) Che is long dead, and b) I thought Communism, for the most part, had collapsed under it's own weight, except for small pockets, like Cuba, or was transforming itself into something more viable, as in China.

The John Birch Society was named after an American named John Birch, who was killed by the communist Chinese on a railroad track, int the 1940's I think, hence it's anti-communist bent.

So where does the pope fit into this? John Birchers I've talked to over the years left the impression that they thought the pope was a communist anti-christ. I wouldn't think they'd be very supportive.

nenothtu out



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by RiotComing

He was correct on the following points:
-Sell off American sovereignty to overseas interests.
-Blowing out of government spending.
-Greater socialistic controls over our everyday lives.


He was right about that, and more, but he has not been the only one to warn about these things to pass.



Originally posted by RiotComing
But I think he got it totally wrong for his 'glimpse of the future', every point he got it totally wrong in my opinion.
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So, while he may be correct about predicting the credit crisis (which was orchestrated anyway.. it doesn't take an Einstein to work that one out!), on every other point he made, he was well wide of the mark in my opinion.


Perhaps you missed the part before he went into all that where he said he "HOPED" that his group would help make those things possible which you mentioned.

This man, just like others, such as those which have come from Communist countries have stated this for a long time.

This is a plan which the Communist regimes came into accord back in the 50s, and which high ranking Russian, and even Chinese officials have warned about. Yet many Americans, if not most did not believe this and allowed for it to happen slowly.

Below are statements from one of the highest ranking Russian officers who defected to the west, and one of many who warned us about the master plan.


More recently, Anatoliy Golitsyn, a Soviet defector of high status, has suggested that the Soviet Union is capable of disinformation on such a massive scale that even the Borkenau system is no longer viable.2 In a book first published in 1984, and of necessity written before then, Golitsyn argues that the leadership of the whole Communist bloc came to an agreement in 1958 in which it established a long range program, a master plan, which it would realize through a large scale deception of the West, a monumental scam.

Golitsyn maintains that the goals of the master plan were to provide a more profound political stabilization of individual communist regimes by developing wider mass support, the rectification of economic weakness of the bloc by increased international trade and the acquisition of credits and high technology from the West, the creation of a substructure for an eventual world federation of communist states, political isolation of the US from its allies, developing influence among socialists in Western Europe and Japan, the dissolution of NATO, and an alignment between the Soviet Union and a neutral, preferably socialist, Western Europe; concerted action with nationalist leaders in the Third World to eliminate Western influence as a preliminary to absorbing them in a communist federation, shifting the balance of power in favor of the Communist world, and the ideological disarmament of the West to create favorable conditions for convergence of East and West on communist terms.

Golitsyn predicts that the Soviet regime will be stabilized by the creation of spurious, controlled opposition movements and the use of those movements to neutralize genuine internal and external opposition, and that it will encourage communist parties to establish united fronts with socialist parties throughout the world thus increasing Soviet influence in parliaments and trade unions.4

Some of the techniques, according to Golitsyn, will be dissension within the bloc, unity of action behind disunity of words, a show of weakness before meeting with Western leaders or before major initiatives or negotiations, and the heavy use of disinformation.5 This disinformation will emanate from official Communist sources, unofficial Communist sources, and "secret" communist sources, much of it retrospective. It is to be delivered through Western newspapermen, scholars, officials, and the Soviet intelligentsia.

.................
The final phase of the master plan, according to Golitsyn, is a disinformation and deception campaign of such magnitude that it would be "beyond the imagination of Marx, or the practical reach of Lenin, and unthinkable to Stalin. Among such previously unthinkable stratagems are the introduction of false liberalization in Eastern Europe and, probably, the Soviet Union, and the exhibition of spurious independence on the part of the regimes in Romania, Czechoslovakia, and Poland."

Golitsyn predicted the "breakup" of the communist bloc in Eastern Europe as a technique to be used by the Soviet government to entice Europe to move more towards socialism and to align itself eventually with the USSR against the United States. The Third World would then join communist Russia and socialist Western Europe against the US and its allies. Then there would be a joint drive by the Soviet bloc and a socialist Europe to push the US out of Europe and into nuclear disarmament. A powerful world federation of communist states would emerge and the US would be induced to "converge" on communist terms.

www.umd.umich.edu...

Several Communist spies have been caught, and who were in positions of power in the U.S. Some of them were professors in Universities, while others were working in offical positions. Yet there are still Americans, and other people around the world who claim the "Red scare" never happened, and Communism was never a threat?

Here are some examples of Communist spies caught not only in the U.S. but abroad, and read the message on the following article.



Spies Caught In the Web
Sunday, Mar. 16, 2003

Czech Republic They became known as the "Cibulka lists" — some 200,000 names of alleged collaborators and officers of Czechoslovakia's communist-era secret police (StB) — named for Petr Cibulka, a former dissident turned free-lance StB hunter who published them a decade ago. Although the Czech government once forced Cibulka to stop posting them on his website, it's now putting its own version online.

On March 20, the Czech Interior Ministry (www.mvcr.cz) will post names of some 100,000 alleged StB collaborators, as well as 9,000 organizations the communists spied on at home and abroad. An online database searchable by name is in the works. Pavel Bret, a deputy director of the Bureau for the Documentation and Investigation of Communist Crimes, says the new disclosures should help victims of communist persecution deal with the past, but will also serve as a warning to "those who are too young to remember."

www.time.com...



To catch a spy

The Miami Herald. Posted on Thu, Mar. 21, 2002.

Ana Belén Montes didn't fit the profile of a spy. Neither did FBI agent Robert Hanssen. Yet both burrowed undetected for years in highly sensitive intelligence jobs while compromising U.S. national security.

Federal agencies must find better ways to uncover moles in their ranks. The United States is plowing re- sources into identifying terrorists. It's senseless to allow spies to undermine us from within. Why did it take 16 years to uncover Montes, who on Tuesday pleaded guilty to espionage?

She had already been recruited by Cuban intelligence when she joined the Defense Intelligence Agency in 1985, according to the Justice Department. By the time U.S. authorities caught up with her last year, she was considered the Pentagon's top Cuba analyst. By then she also had identified at least four U.S. intelligence agents for her Cuban handlers.

U.S. authorities said that none of the four betrayed by Montes were physically harmed. Unfortunately that wasn't so with the U.S. operatives that Hanssen gave up to the Soviet Union, some of whom were killed.

www.cubanet.org...

Do you actually think there are no more Communist spies not only from Cuba in high level positions in the U.S. and other western countries?

[edit on 25-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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You are right, people, and mostly the youngsters who ahve no historical perspective, or experience with true Socialism, or Communism, see murderes like che guevara as an idol. Yet these same people don't know that che used his knowledge in medicine to torture prisoners, and he was fidel castro's main political assassin. che guevara would execute any Cuban who would seak up against the Communist regime in the island that wasbeing implemented, and he murdered these Cubans in front of the whole family and outside so everyone would see what happens to those who would defy, and speak against castro's regime.

Yet the people in the left are too brainwashed, and naive to learn from the past and from those people who experienced the ideals the left claims "will save the world."

This is happening not only on countries like the U.S., but in others like Venezuela. Most westerners, those who never experienced Communism, kept claiming Chavez was not a Communist, yet people like me were warning that this man was implementing the same Socialist programs which destroyed countries like Cuba and opresses it's people to this day.

Now, and not too long ago after Chavez has gained power in Venezuela, he is finally stating he is a Communist, and he announced in a recent visit to China, that China will be the leader in the "Permanent Revolution" that will be the One World Government in control of everyone.

"Permanent Revolution" is the Communist idea to spread Communism to all nations in the world, and which most Communist are advocates of this plan.



Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Wednesday that his two-day visit to Beijing this week is part of the creation of a "new world order," in light of the 'collapse of the US empire.'

The frequent US critic, who met with China's president and Communist Party leader Hu Jintao on Wednesday, told reporters that power in the world was shifting from America to countries such as Iran, Japan and China.

"We are creating a new world, a balanced world. A new world order, a multi-polar world," Chavez said after arriving Tuesday evening.

"The unipolar world has collapsed. The power of the US empire has collapsed," he said. "Everyday, the new poles of world power are becoming stronger. Beijing, Tokyo, Teheran ... it's moving toward the East and toward the South."

www.jpost.com...

The announcement by Chavez was not published in any western newspaper, except for the Jerusalem Post. Yet this announcement was publish by every LAtin newspaper in the world.



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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Indeed. My parents were both alive during the Revolution in Cuba. They remember the fighting. My grandfather was imprisoned for 11 years in Cuba as a political prisoner when my mother was a little girl. 11 years.

The released him because they couldn't find any real proof of conspiracy, after 11 damned years. People should be wary of men like Bush, Cheney, Rahm Emmanuel, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and a whole host of others on both the left and the right. The experiences in my life and in my family in general have caused me to see the problem for what it is.

It is why I am independent and Constitutionalist.

Spying is very dangerous, it can even make it to the height of leadership. If you don't believe me look at Vladamir Putin. Or the Labour party in Great Britain. Socialism is systematically failing everywhere it is practiced. And the people who perpetrate the lies ALWAYS infiltrate all the major parties, and slowly change them from within.

[edit on 25-4-2009 by projectvxn]



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Wow... he just lined the thesis for an true Libertarian.... I am in awe..

This is probably the single most profound video I have ever seen on the internet. This is evidence that needs to be spread far and wide on this site..



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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Why does everyone keep saying this footage is from 1958? It was 1974! He first quotes himself from a 1958 meeting but the footage itself was from 1974.


No one said the video was from 1958.. they are saying the predictions are. Which they where, that video was him, quoting himself in another speech made that year, 1958, taped in 1974. Not to hard to understand?



Restore complete independence of the United States - get the UN out of the US. A complete fallacy. The US have become completely co-dependent on foreign markets, interwoven in this global economy. China being the prime example. They both need eachother, if one goes down you bring the other one down too. As for the UN, the US are the UN!!!!! If Israel are under the microscope, the US with their right of veto, will bail them out every time! They run the UN!!!


The UN is a complete violation of American Sovereignty, as any pact, agreement, decision or what have you comes directly through Congress. Where as a representative appointed by the executive branch is working deals with the UN, which can be signed by the President, not Congress. Any major treaty would originate from the UN and presented to Congress does not originate, and cannot be altered by Congress, and thus is a violation of the Constitution.

And please note: The US IS NOT DEPENDENT ON INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS OR TRADE!!! ... We have a negative trade deficit of epic proportions, we BLEED money from our pours, while we bring nothing home in the form of wealth.. we have a cycle of debt and military power, that is the only reason we exist today.



Return to gold-backed currency. Wrong again. The strategy is to make the DOLLAR King, to get far away from gold as possible, then collapse the fractional reserve system responsible for flooding the market with dollars, to bring in a solution of a unified global currency unit. The Rothschilds are all about REMOVING gold from circulation and hoarding it. That's what they did in the last Depression. Gold is irrelevant to the overall game plan! It's all about crashing the dollar and making their own Allied Unit the future NWO currency standard.... not gold!


The only reason we cannot return to the Gold Standard is that with a negative trade balance the reserves would dry up in a quarter.. Currently we need a cycle of debt, repayment, more debt, more debt to make the repayment, etc, etc, etc.. If countries like China wanted to convert the Dollar, our treasury would be bankrupt.. but you seem to revel in the idea of the US being dependent on the World?

We have no wealth, we are but a mirage..



Withdraw all American troops out of foreign lands. And yet the OPPOSITE has been happening in the last ten years. America have become the "neighbourhood watch" of the world, poking their noses everywhere, starting wars in foreign lands. Obama broke an election promise to withdraw troops from Afghanistan and is actually INCREASING troop numbers there!


He predicted this would happen, he only made a note that it was the Birch Societies responsibility to educate the masses to stop this from happening. As he said "What is wrong with America minding it's own business".



Reduce Federal Govt employees by 50% - hmm ok maybe.. I'll give him that one. But I think this doesn't affect the level of government intervention directly in our lives - fascism is dictated by policy, not people.


If you look at employment vs. government employment you will find since 2001 the government has been the largest hiring force in the country. Include GSE's and other sponsored corporations, we have been LOOSING jobs, not gaining. The % of government employed continues to expand, until we are like any other Fascist or Communist state where the government IS the employer of choice, at this point the Governments power is ultimate.



Get government out of areas where it shouldn't be. I think we are seeing more intervention by government in our lives, not less. Patriot Act, anyone?


This again was a goal he desired to be seen.. he predicted however that the government would expand, and even dissolve state lines (essentially already done.. thank you mr. Reagan..)




on every other point he made, he was well wide of the mark in my opinion.


Try to comprehend the words he says, he is 100% on the mark about everything.



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