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Waterboard TORTURE on Video (must watch)

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posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by Seany
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
 


The Ann Coulture example was just that, to show you where do we stop

Currently Texas is considering Succesion, The Actual Break Up Of The US

By your reasoning, we should gas them , It would Stop the break up of the US


No I think you are streching what I have said. And Texas is not considering succesion. The govenor was playing to the tea party crowed.

Do you read what you want to?




posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:55 AM
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these are EXAMPLES ... of what can happen once you cross a line..

A line you say is ok to cross

I say , once you cross that line , it gets blurred and there's no turning back



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by Seany
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
 


these are EXAMPLES ... of what can happen once you cross a line..

A line you say is ok to cross

I say , once you cross that line , it gets blurred and there's no turning back



If thats what you think then sure.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

Originally posted by Seany
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
 


these are EXAMPLES ... of what can happen once you cross a line..

A line you say is ok to cross

I say , once you cross that line , it gets blurred and there's no turning back



If thats what you think then sure.


you are defending waterboarding , lol,

what do you mean "if thats what I think"

Are you reading what you are posting ?



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:04 AM
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I am defending waterboarding. How would you handle these terriost who are captured in a foreign country?



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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I am defending waterboarding. How would you handle these terriost who are captured in a foreign country?


TAKE NO PRISONERS. When somebody opposes you with arms on a battlefield, leave them there dead.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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yes, it is torture, but, I think torture is a necessary thing ... the problem is that, how do we know if they are using this kind of torture in terrorists only ... thats my problem ...



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:15 AM
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Im not military, I have no experience with prisoners.

But to sink to their level is making us no better than Terrorist ourselves, Remember we are the liberators, the good guys, we wear white...



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:21 AM
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Time for some perspective.

NOTE: Graphic links ahead

USA aren't the only ones guilty of torture or mistreatment of prisoners.

I don't know why it's suddenly an issue?

There are many countries guilty of this.

North Korea:

www.youtube.com...

www.smh.com.au...

China:

www.youtube.com...

chinaview.wordpress.com...

England:

www.wsws.org...


No doubt there is more.

So it's not the big bad USA, it's the big bad WORLD.

[edit on 24/4/09 by Chadwickus]



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
Time for some perspective.

NOTE: Graphic links ahead

USA aren't the only ones guilty of torture or mistreatment of prisoners.

I don't know why it's suddenly an issue?

There are many countries guilty of this.

North Korea:

www.youtube.com...

www.smh.com.au...

China:

www.youtube.com...

chinaview.wordpress.com...

England:

www.wsws.org...


No doubt there is more.

So it's not the big bad USA, it's the big bad WORLD.

[edit on 24/4/09 by Chadwickus]


Very well sir, now I could link countless countries in the world that use

terrorism as a tool , Does that justify terrorism too ?



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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1) The F.B.I. is not even sure if that "supposed planned attack" in L.A. was even a planned attack.

2) Even if it was the information about the attack was true it was found out a whole 7 MONTHS before Bush and his Cabal ordered the advanced interrogation techniques.

So thanks for playing.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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poedxsoldiervet I to understand the point you're trying to make, but were do we draw the line. If its ok to water board people is it ok to rip there fingernails out with pliers, What about killing their families members in front of them.

Were do we draw the line.

Why is it when they torture its a horrible crime against humanity, But when we torture its heroic? I know this may sound pompous but we need win this war with our moral superiority.

This is how the people we torture view us. Yes I know its a scene from star trek, But the show contains a lot of wisdom.



Star Trek TNG Episode: Chain of Command, Part II

Torture is a sign of weakness not one of strength.





[edit on 24-4-2009 by Anubis_4400]

[edit on 24-4-2009 by Anubis_4400]



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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I'm not justifying torture.

I'm condemning it and pointing out it's not just America doing it.


It seems a lot of people (and not just on here) are using it as a political tool, which is totally for the wrong reasons.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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Thank you for that. I have stated this on pervious threads regarding this "torture". Untill the day when the world can get together and settle our differences peacefully, stuff like this will continue weather the US does it our not.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
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Thank you for that. I have stated this on pervious threads regarding this "torture". Untill the day when the world can get together and settle our differences peacefully, stuff like this will continue weather the US does it our not.


Thats the oldest cop out ever

"they do it so why can't we"

what will be next when our prison population gets to over run (it already is )

are we gonna "gas" them, its been done before too



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Seany
 


I'm not justifying torture.

I'm condemning it and pointing out it's not just America doing it.


It seems a lot of people (and not just on here) are using it as a political tool, which is totally for the wrong reasons.


Exactly. Instead of saying, "Damn you, America! You're all heathenous barbarians!" We should be saying, "What has become of the world?" and attempting to reform EVERYTHING, not just one country whose political system has recently come under worldwide scrutiny. If they can tell us what to do, we can tell them what to do, too.



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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I wonder why they dont use sodium penthanol anymore. Surely that is less stressful and gets the same result, or is it that the guys inflicting the torture want to put the prisoners through some nasty crap just for kicks or because they believe they deserve it?
Even the fluffy way of extracting information through drugs is considered torture.

[edit on 24/4/09 by cropmuncher]



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by cropmuncher
I wonder why they dont use sodium penthanol anymore. Surely that is less stressful and gets the same result, or is it that the guys inflicting the torture want to put the prisoners through some nasty crap just for kicks or because they believe they deserve it?
Even the fluffy way of extracting information through drugs is considered torture.

[edit on 24/4/09 by cropmuncher]


"Truth drugs" are considered torture in black and white under international law. What the US has done is not so black-and-white. To use Truth Drugs would have been to say, "F!(# it all! We do what we want!" and to use "enhanced interrogation techniques" is to say, "Well, we can probably get away with this."



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Highground

Originally posted by cropmuncher
I wonder why they dont use sodium penthanol anymore. Surely that is less stressful and gets the same result, or is it that the guys inflicting the torture want to put the prisoners through some nasty crap just for kicks or because they believe they deserve it?
Even the fluffy way of extracting information through drugs is considered torture.

[edit on 24/4/09 by cropmuncher]


"Truth drugs" are considered torture in black and white under international law. What the US has done is not so black-and-white. To use Truth Drugs would have been to say, "F!(# it all! We do what we want!" and to use "enhanced interrogation techniques" is to say, "Well, we can probably get away with this."


Me personally, I would be ok with truth drugs,



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