Mysterious U.S. Swine Flu Probe Widens as Mexico Finds Swine Flu *updated*

Vaccine Is On Its Way, But Public Still Wary
Swine Flu Campaign Faces Key Barriers: Unease, Ambivalence

As the federal government launches the most ambitious inoculation campaign in U.S. history, several surveys indicate the public is decidedly ambivalent. A nationally representative poll of 1,042 adults released Friday by the Harvard School of Public Health found that only 40 percent were sure they would receive the vaccine and that about half were certain their children would. Recent research by the University of Michigan and by Consumer Reports yielded similar results.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Government using software to track swine flu

The federal government is teaming up with a medical software maker to help keep tabs on the spread of swine flu.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius says the government is getting together with Cerner Corporation to keep track on how the strain of flu is spreading.

Sebelius says the information provided by the company is more current than the data federal officials have.

www.cbs6albany.com...

Propaganda? You decide...

The first thing you see on this website is a map of the swine flu outbreak nationwide and what is stunning is the fact that they have the map broken down into regions...FEMA regions! The map is from the CDC. There's a little bar under the map where you can move an arrow back & forth & see how the flu has progressed. Scroll down and look at all of the propaganda stories on the vaccines.

What the website propamotes:

The H1N1, or swine, flu virus first appeared in April in Mexico before arriving in the USA. In anticipation of the fall flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reset the swine flu numbers and now tracks cases on a regional level.

topics.gannett.com...

Propaganda? You decide...

1,544 deaths last week from Influenza and Pneumonia Syndrome in the US.

www.cdc.gov...

New York Doctors and Health Workers Sue to Void FDA Approval of Swine Flu Vaccine

A group of New York doctors and health-care workers who are to be among the first inoculated against swine flu asked a federal judge to void U.S. approval of the vaccine until more safety tests are done.

Rima Laibow, a physician, nurse Suzanne Field and four other New York residents filed the suit in federal court in Washington today. They claim a state law requires them to get the vaccine, putting their health at risk from an unproven treatment and their livelihoods at risk if they refuse.

“This is an emergency action in a matter of significant public importance,” Leslie Fourton, an attorney for the health workers, said in the lawsuit. The Food and Drug Administration “has approved or licensed the vaccines without definitive prerequisite safety testing, in clear violation of federal law.”

The workers asked Judge Reggie Walton to issue an immediate order barring approvals of A/H1N1 vaccines until all legally required testing is conducted and an order preventing New York from firing them if they refuse to take it.

www.bloomberg.com...

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I read another article about this today and this part really jumped out at me.......

Last week, some 2.4 million doses of nasal spray vaccine made of greatly weakened, but live, H1N1 virus were delivered to state and local health authorities around the United States.

Now everything i've seen on tv has doctors saying that these vaccines are all made from a dead virus, which i have a really hard time believing. And now we have these people saying that the vaccine is made from a live virus, i believe their claims.

"Officials have said the virus is so much like the ordinary flu virus that they don't need to do special new drug testing on it because it's just the same old virus with a minor change to it," said Turner.

Apparantly they think we're just a bunch of idiots

"We're saying, if that's the case, then all the hype about this thing being a worldwide threat is misplaced and they've stampeded the state of New York into taking an action they never would have taken if it were just another flu."

Makes sense to me.

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Also i was watching the news the yesterday and they were talking about how health care workers were required to take the vaccine at a hospital here. They said that they can't force them to take it and if they chose not to they would have to wear a mask while on duty. They also said that the law in New York that mandates healthcare workers to be vaccinated is not really a law, just a guideline and the ACLU is fighting it saying it's unconstitutional.

Now they're saying that this flu is causing unusual damage to lungs, such as blood clots.

The new pandemic H1N1 flu may cause blood clots and other unusual damage in the lungs and doctors need to be on the lookout, U.S. researchers reported on Thursday.

Two studies published in the American Journal of Roentgenology show the need to check X-rays and CT scans for unusual features, and also point out swine flu can be tricky to diagnose in some of the sickest patients.

One middle-aged man who died was not diagnosed until after death, but unusual findings on his X-rays may be able to help doctors save other, similar patients.

Mollura's team found irregularities called ground-glass opacities in the patient's lungs using a CT scan. Although the patient was severely ill and had a fever, he tested negative for flu and doctors did not treat him for it.

In another study in the same journal, CT scans of patients with severe cases of swine flu showed many had pulmonary emboli, which block the arteries in the lungs, a team at the University of Michigan found.

Anticoagulant drugs can break up these clots and save lives.

"Our study suggests that patients who are severely ill with H1N1 are also at risk for developing pulmonary emboli, which should be carefully sought for on contrast-enhanced CT scans, " Agarwal said in a statement

"The majority of patients undergoing chest X-rays with H1N1 have normal radiographs (X-rays)," she added. Pulmonary emboli are also not normally seen in flu, she said.

"CT scans proved valuable in identifying those patients at risk of developing more serious complications as a possible result of the H1N1 virus, and for identifying a greater extent of disease than is appreciated on chest radiographs."

It would seem that if a family member is sick with the H1N1 that the family should ask to have a CT performed in addition to the xrays as the xrays don't seem to show the blood clots, and other damage that the CT's are capable of showing.


health.yahoo.com...

A judge granted a temporary restraining order for the healthcare workers in New York.

A state Supreme Court judge issued a restraining order Friday against the state from enforcing the controversial mandatory vaccination.

A court hearing is scheduled for October 30.

wcbstv.com...

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The German Chancelor, ministers, and army will receive vaccines without adjuvent, while the general public will receive the standard vaccines with the harmful adjuvents in them. They aren't even attempting to hide this information from the German people

From this thread.....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

President Obama declares swine flu a U.S. national emergency

President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency and empowered his health secretary to suspend federal requirements and speed treatment for thousands of infected people.

The declaration that Obama signed late Friday authorized Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to bypass federal rules so health officials can respond more quickly to the outbreak, which has killed more than 1,000 people in the United States.

The goal is to remove bureaucratic roadblocks and make it easier for sick people to seek treatment and medical providers to provide it immediately

hosted.ap.org...

So the plot thickens considerably. Well it will be intersting to see how this all plays out!

Edit to add discussion thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 24-10-2009 by burntheships]

OK ATS members stand up.

Now follow the leader and deny the swine flu threat.

That's right be good boys and girls and don't use your mind. Let others make up your mind for you.

The H1N1 threat is real.

My home town hospitals filled with babies and teens with the swine flu.
Many are fighting for their lives. My niece is one of them.

An ATS sheeple are the worst kind of sheeple.

Deny Ignorance and open your eyes and minds.

By all means, I am sure all thinking people will seek medical treatment if they are sick.

And by all means, especially seek medical attention for children, the infirmed, elderly, and those with pre existing conditions.

The H1N1 flu is influenza, no doubt. And it is a nasty virus...

Medical treatment is one thing...A National Emergency is another.
I just dont ever recall there being a National Emergency declared over
Influenza any time of late?

New York suspends mandatory flu shots for health workers

A statement from Gov. David Paterson announced the policy change on behalf of State Health Commissioner Richard F. Daines.

Daines had originally said that public health workers must be vaccinated for the seasonal flu and the H1N1 virus, also known as swine flu, by November 30 or risk discipline.

The Public Employees Federation, New York's second-largest state employees union, sued over the requirement and was awaiting a state Supreme Court hearing scheduled for October 30.

The vaccine shortage has defused the conflict

www.cnn.com...

Well know we have to watch our pets with this flu. I didn't think dogs, and cats, etc could catch it, but apparantly they can. A housecat in Iowa has tested positive for H1N1.

An Iowa cat has become the first of its species to come done with a confirmed case of H1N1 flu, officials said today.

The cat, which was not identified, was brought to Iowa State University’s veterinary college, where tests confirmed that it had the new flu virus, the state health department said.

www.desmoinesregister.com...



www.easterniowanews.com...

english.donga.com...

Distrust Over Tamiflu`s Adverse Effects Rising
NOVEMBER 16, 2009 08:32
Tamiflu, an anti-viral drug to treat the H1N1 influenza virus, had nothing to do with a teenager’s attempted suicide, health authorities said yesterday.
A 14-year-old boy in Bucheon, Gyeonggi Province who had taken Tamiflu leapt from an apartment building Oct. 30.

The center for countermeasures against influenza at the Health, Welfare and Family Affairs Ministry said, “After conducting an epidemiological study and consulting experts, we have concluded there was little possibility that Tamiflu caused him to kill himself. He took just one dose of the anti-viral drug.”

The boy had sought medical attention due to high fever Oct. 29 and was prescribed Tamiflu. The following day, he went to bed after taking the medicine but woke up from a nightmare and jumped from his sixth-floor apartment.

In Japan, a series of teen suicides in 2007 found that they took Tamiflu. Since the sale of the anti-viral drug was permitted in 2001, Japan had been the world’s largest consumer of Tamiflu from 2001 to 2007 with up 70 percent of global consumption. With the number of teenagers who jumped to their deaths from a building or in front of trucks increasing, fear over the adverse effects of the drug has risen.

According to a survey by the Japanese Health Ministry of 137 teen seasonal flu patients from 2006 through 2007 who either rushed out from their houses on an impulse or jumped from a building, 82 of them or 60 percent were found to have taken Tamiflu.

The ministry conducted another survey in June of 10,000 children under age 18 and banned medical institutions from prescribing Tamiflu for those under 18. It said the relationship between Tamiflu and odd behavior cannot be proven nor denied.

english.donga.com...

Distrust Over Tamiflu`s Adverse Effects Rising
NOVEMBER 16, 2009 08:32
Tamiflu, an anti-viral drug to treat the H1N1 influenza virus, had nothing to do with a teenager’s attempted suicide, health authorities said yesterday.
A 14-year-old boy in Bucheon, Gyeonggi Province who had taken Tamiflu leapt from an apartment building Oct. 30.

The center for countermeasures against influenza at the Health, Welfare and Family Affairs Ministry said, “After conducting an epidemiological study and consulting experts, we have concluded there was little possibility that Tamiflu caused him to kill himself. He took just one dose of the anti-viral drug.”

The boy had sought medical attention due to high fever Oct. 29 and was prescribed Tamiflu. The following day, he went to bed after taking the medicine but woke up from a nightmare and jumped from his sixth-floor apartment.

In Japan, a series of teen suicides in 2007 found that they took Tamiflu. Since the sale of the anti-viral drug was permitted in 2001, Japan had been the world’s largest consumer of Tamiflu from 2001 to 2007 with up 70 percent of global consumption. With the number of teenagers who jumped to their deaths from a building or in front of trucks increasing, fear over the adverse effects of the drug has risen.

According to a survey by the Japanese Health Ministry of 137 teen seasonal flu patients from 2006 through 2007 who either rushed out from their houses on an impulse or jumped from a building, 82 of them or 60 percent were found to have taken Tamiflu.

The ministry conducted another survey in June of 10,000 children under age 18 and banned medical institutions from prescribing Tamiflu for those under 18. It said the relationship between Tamiflu and odd behavior cannot be proven nor denied.

Swine flu: last seven days sees record number of UK deaths

Thirty-one deaths is highest weekly number since outbreak began, although number of infections falls for third week in a row. www.guardian.co.uk...

Sharp increase in swine flu deaths in France. www.reuters.com...

Twenty new deaths have raised to 135 the number of those who have of H1N1 in Spain, where, in the week of November 15-21, 158,942 cases were confirmed, almost 3,900 more than in the previous week, according to a news release from the Ministry of Health and Social Policy. www.europapress.es...

When to Consider the Use of Antibiotics in the Treatment of 2009 H1N1 Influenza-Associated Pneumonia. h1n1.nejm.org...