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Originally posted by joel1900
It's no surprise that there doesn't seem to be concern by people about H1N1. The Denver Post this morning has an article saying it is petering out already, no worries.
Swine-flu worries on wane
I also looked at the obits in the paper and ended up being frustrated as not one had any information about what their cause of death was. How am I supposed to try to get that sort of information here? Argh.
Originally posted by ecoparity
Originally posted by jonny2410
reply to post by Redpillblues
All this virus lacks is one mutation to make it more severe and we have 1918 all over again, maybe worse. Its already very contagious, has a lengthy incubation period and can live on surfaces for 36 hours (wow ).
If that info from cloud is true then the public should be told this! albeit in a toned down version so they do not panic. Its ridiculous.
It's the same info I've been relating for a couple of weeks but more specific details are coming out now.
It looks like the long time line issue has reached confirmation point, I believe we even have ATS members in this thread who went through the first, mild stage and are coming down with it again. (We need to get them to confirm the time line for them as best they know it, the nature of this bug is such that you can be infected for up to 5 days before you even feel it).
Cloud has posted some fine details I chose to leave out of my posts from two weeks ago, I felt a few of those points were a little too scary to make public without more confirming data ready to go public. You can't put the cat back in the bag though so I may as well go ahead and confirm the time line data he's posted matches what my sources gave me weeks ago. The numbers aren't exactly the same as what I was given but close enough for government work and the data has probably been refined since then.
I'm going to ping my original source again and see if there's an update. The irony would be if we both have the same CDC source or two sources within close proximity.
I've "made friends" at CDC via my original source so there's some probability there and by having multiple sources feed me the same info I've been able to post with decent confidence. I don't think Cloud or I have missed anything to date, (as in having gotten bad info).
The 36 hour lifespan outside a host is quite a bit more than I was told but they were still looking into it back then (close to two weeks ago). They knew it had better than average viability outside a host but estimated it as just slightly more than seasonal flu. They did say the virus spreads better via contact and the digestive tract than via respiratory ingestion. (CDC debated warning food handlers specifically due to this).
Virus lifespan for infection was "at least 30 days" for people infected by the 2nd worst variant who were within the age span with strong immune systems per my sources as of two weeks ago so a revision to 45 isn't all that strange. I was told something specific regarding a longer term of infection than that which I need to hold back for now until I can get confirmation from a second source.
Young, strong immune system persons who are infected by the worst variant die in 5 to 10 days from cyto storm / lung damage. Persons who survive the cyto storm on or off respirator either recover slowly or end up dying from systematic failure due to damage of the bronchial passages leading to pneumonia.
Since almost all the fatalities are a result of secondary infections the deaths are very easy to cover up. My feeling is that only people who die from the cyto storm fairly quick are being listed. (Even those could be documented as death by organ failure,complications of underlying conditions, heart failure and various respiratory failures).
More at Link...
Mexico detected a mutation of the H1N1 virus and warns has aggressiveness
May 13 09 - Mexico City
Just when the Mexican Government was attempting to convey an image of calm did what many experts had already predicted, the virus Muto, increasing the possibility of new outbreaks of influenza. Health authorities in Mexico, United States and Canada have found what could be a new version or a mutation of the influenza virus A (H1N1), and not out at the moment that is more aggressive than those currently circulating in the world.
"We have cases where immunofluorescence says is A, but does not tell us what subtype. Today we have cases like this, and this case is United States and Canada have such cases, revealed to the international media director general of the National Center of Epidemiological Surveillance and Disease Control (Cenavece), Miguel Angel Lezana.
The director of Cenavece did not rule out that this new version of the virus is more aggressive than currently circulating. "It is a possibility, the only way to know this is a series of bioassays, and the complete sequence of the gene of the virus, something in which he has been working, 'he explained.
In line, Health Minister Jose Angel Cordova said that the mutation of the human influenza virus is larger than that introduced the human immunodeficiency virus that causes AIDS. Cordova also presented the latest report on the evolution of this epidemic and reported that so far are 2446 cases of people who contracted the virus, 60 of whom were killed.