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Moon walk astronaut, warns disclosure essential to survival of human race

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posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:21 AM
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"Or is this plot so much more convoluted than we already suspect? "

Nothing personal but I object to you mentioning "we" effectively implying that I agree with you on all points. This is my only objection as you are entitled to your opinions.

A few of your opinions, I don't agree with:

I have already explained why I think Dr. Mitchell is still a credible individual. Maybe we should start a new thread so everyone can sound off on his credulity?

I don't agree on the global warming issue, C02 emissions are minor compared to methane from the massive herds of livestock, our emissions can not be discounted as a factor, there are some other external factors but we are significantly contributing to the problem.

I think that is quite a bit more complex than presented. The US seems to be perfectly happy keeping that tech to themselves and the oil companies are perfectly happy as long as they have oil to sell/choke us with. The other energy empires have an interest in free energy not being released as well. The only ones getting hurt are the people getting killed in wars and occupations; and the consumers of the world. We could all be running on solar, wind and other non-polluting tech already without the ETH coming into play, historically they haven't made “the little guy” an important issue, they aren't the ones struggling to pay bills every month or being killed. You consider the Illuminati, Big Oil and/or World Bank conspiracy theories into it and it gets intensely more complex.

I'm not quite sure what your angle is with everything you posted. May I ask you to elaborate? You have me curious on the remaining point.

“Is it a mere coincidence that the increase in UFO sigtings and chemtrails happens to follow the increase in global warming?”

I don't know? Is it? What's your point?




posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:32 AM
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Originally posted by AlienMike
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Even though he has an interest in the paranormal doesn't mean he can be discredited as a reliable source because of it.


Of course not. I am interested in the paranormal and am very reliable as a source on the two subject I'm particularly interested in.



...People don't get to put an accredited "Dr." in front of their name by being ignorant and insane.


Yes they do. All they need to do is to be very competent in the field they have chosen to become a "Dr." in.
They can, however, be very incompetent in other fields. Even insane.

I'll remind you of Dr. Mengele, Dr. Crippin and Dr. Harold shipman.

You fall in the same trap as so many other people. He is a "Dr.", "Governor", "fireman" bla bla bla therefore he is a reliable and trustworthy source.

And just because Mitchell has gone from 80% to 100% in his belief of alien presence doesn't mean he has inside information.

Maybe he is part of ATS.




There have been many accounts and testimonies of people claiming to be healed by energy work and other similar 'miraculous' phenomena.



And that doesn't make it true.

There are similarly cases of people being healed simply by waiting and suddenly the good "Dr." cannot find evidence of the ailment anymore. Even without Dr. Dreamhealer. You only got to get it right once, then you are a miracle man.




Science has a hard time even attempting to validate the phenomena because they have to base their research on what is observable, and there are a lot of possible ways someone could have healed in an instance like Dr. Mitchell's. He had a lump that indicated cancer, wasn't biopsied to confirm cancer, but the lump went away without traditional medical treatment.



My father-in-law was diagnosed with cancer of the colon. He was advised to become vegetarian. He became vegetarian. Now he has no cancer. Coincidence? Maybe.
Maybe he was a Dr. Dreamhealer test case without knowing it.




It is also very hard to control experiments in paranormal fields.



No it is not.
If you get a result by paranormal acitivity it can be replicated. If it can't be replicated it was a statistical fluke.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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Damnit, I am supposed to post the quick blurbs and you guys are supposed to do the work to enlighten me. Must rethink plan....

Lol, we probably should start a new thread.

Comparing him to convicted killers is pushing it a bit eh? I know you didn't directly link him to the other doctors. I agree that just because someone can complete a doctorate does't absolutely guarantee credulity. (I corrected a fact statement that wasn't intentional concerning this)

"There are similarly cases of people being healed simply by waiting and suddenly the good "Dr." cannot find evidence of the ailment anymore."

Correct me if I'm wrong here but either the initial tests were flawed or by definition the healing was paranormal because science is unable to understand or explain it? Many doctors admit to being stumped in these cases right?

"And that doesn't make it true"
It doesn't make it false either

"No it is not.
If you get a result by paranormal acitivity it can be replicated. If it can't be replicated it was a statistical fluke."

In the case of spirit healing, what would you do, gather up several hunderd cancer patients? several thousand? setup the control group etc.; do you do nothing with the control group or offer placebo spirit healers. both? Make sure none of them change their diet or seek additional treatment? Make sure that there are not disbeivers/negative attitudes involved in the staff that conducts the experiment. Is it possible that someone's negativity could interfere with the healers ability on some quantum level if the phenomena was real? I still say it is going to be much harder to control the aspects of a truly scientific paranormal statistical analasis compared to something in our observable universe. I am assuming that the same statistical rate of recovery would be acceptable when comparing conventional medicine and the paranormal experiment?

What is the statistical rate of success with the kid that supposedly healed him? Either he has some demonstratable and repeatable success or is some kind of fraud right?

I want to read more of what Dr. Mitchell claimed about his suspected cancer going away. Did he claim empirical evidence of proof that the kid healed him, or more like "hey I think this kid may have helped"?

I did not fall into the same trap, Dr. Mitchell hasn't killed anyone, (that we know of? dun dun dun). He has been awarded for his services several times. Not for making anyting paranormal understood that I know of but still. A doctorate does add to credibility in general. Unless there is more "funny business" than what I have seen so far he still seems credible considering him cumulatively. Am I defending a total loon?! If so show me the evidence so I can stop defending him immediately. I made an assumption that he had to pass a psych exam to get on that rocket and weighed that along with what I knew and could infer about him.

He is considered respectable by a great deal of the individuals and groups that are desireable to pay attention to the disclosure issue. (or do they all laugh at him behind his back?) I personally want disclosure and if the media and the government will listen to him then let him keep talking. His statements do seem to continute to get attention right?

Maybe he is part of ATS." lol yea maybe, maybe we have convined Bassett's group and the bunch at the Disclosure Project as well.



posted on Apr, 27 2009 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by AlienMike
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In the case of spirit healing, what would you do, gather up several hunderd cancer patients? several thousand? setup the control group etc.; do you do nothing with the control group or offer placebo spirit healers. both? Make sure none of them change their diet or seek additional treatment? Make sure that there are not disbeivers/negative attitudes involved in the staff that conducts the experiment. Is it possible that someone's negativity could interfere with the healers ability on some quantum level if the phenomena was real? I still say it is going to be much harder to control the aspects of a truly scientific paranormal statistical analasis compared to something in our observable universe. I am assuming that the same statistical rate of recovery would be acceptable when comparing conventional medicine and the paranormal experiment?


Good point. Have no quick response. Bugger!




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A doctorate does add to credibility in general. Unless there is more "funny business" than what I have seen so far he still seems credible considering him cumulatively. Am I defending a total loon?! If so show me the evidence so I can stop defending him immediately.


Personally I think he is being led by the nose by people who have presented him with "evidence" that he has accepted as good enough.
It just so happens that I strongly disagree with this so called evidence which as it happens is speculations and assumption.




I made an assumption that he had to pass a psych exam to get on that rocket and weighed that along with what I knew and could infer about him.



Aren't the Americans in particular feeling very strongly about Freedom of Speech? If his interests in other aspects of his life doesn't conflict with his missions and aren't illegal, surely he is entitled to them?

As far as I have read he hasn't claimed to have seen UFO (as in confirmed craft with occupants) and he hasn't claimed to have seen ETs.
(This of course discounting the odd quotation on UFO sites of ill repute)




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His statements do seem to continute to get attention right?



But they don't really seem to change over time.
Apart from changing from "probably" to "certainly" when he talks about the possibility of aliens on earth.
His puppeteers have probably told him that it is best this way.

Had he information we want he is soon old enough to be happier with a structured life in prison rather than sitting in a chair in a nursing home being belittled and spoken down to.


Some people have suggested that he is being threatened to keep his trap shut. If this was the case would he not conceal the fact that he knows something that needs disclosure?

Sometimes when a fish smells rotten - maybe it is...

And to make it clear. I didn't intentionally imply that he is criminal as the good doctors I mentioned. They were mentioned to illustrate that yes you can be a doctor and insane. I believe that was part of your argumentation.

Mahatma Gandhi disliked the blacks of South Africa. In fact he was a racist.

Some Catholic priests have taken it too literally when they preach about "letting the children come to me".

Respect must be earned by merits - not by titles or vocations.

Mitchells contribution to the world is as an astronaut - not as an expert on aliens or UFOs. I respect him for the first not the latter.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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I definitely see your point. Thanks for making it more clear.

I don't know if he is being led by the nose as much as being encouraged to be the "poster boy" to get media attention. In this video he makes it really clear that he hasn't had any first hand encounters but that people have felt comfortable telling him their first hand accounts, some breaking clearance orders to do so, because of his experience as a moon walk astronaut.

I agree, just because Dr. Mitchell says they are here doesn't equate to proof that they are; but, I personally see it as a really good indication that somthing is up because he has changed his certainty to 100%.

Something is afoot here, we have a whole lot of educated, connected and for the, most part, sane
individuals saying that we are being visited. Either we are being visited, we are witnessing the largest mass hysteria/hallucination among educated people that has ever been recorded, or there is a conspiracy here that is huge and infinitely complex.




posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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They've already taken over. Many of the humans you see are not humans. Those that once were, have been absorbed into octopi-tendrel like spiritual structures.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by mnrndf
They've already taken over. Many of the humans you see are not humans. Those that once were, have been absorbed into octopi-tendrel like spiritual structures.


Drat, you have found us out! Lay back, sit still, resistance is futile, it only hurts for a few minutes, sometimes up to any hour. You would be surprised how those extra appendages can help out in daily life and the spirit world.



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