Originally posted by they see ALL
Oh yes, prison is, as ThirdJohnAdams termed it, the ultimate form of timeout, and, yes, this is a great form of punishment. I believe, however, that
there are things in prison that make this time fun. It's not going to be as fun as the outside world, but it's as fun as prison life can get. When
parents puts their kids in timeout, they don't get television, so why should prisoners? The logic is incredibly flawed!
Children's brains are so infantile (as well as most grown ups) that television amounts to some sort of enjoyment. Don't get me started on
television. (I don't watch TV. I'll admit to watching the occasional movie though). I don't know, I guess in my opinion/my world television is
worthless that I couldn't give two craps about if they get TV or not... so if they want to watch tv, I don't feel uncomfortable giving them one of
the few they decisions they actually do get to make to watch it or not.
I might agree to some reading, but no television. Television isn't fun (well for the most part), but it sure will make the time easier and will make
the time seem to pass by quickly. Anything that might pass the time quickly is wrong. Prisoners should focus on what they did, not what's on
You said it, television isn't fun. Also, they don't have the option to watch tv for 24 hours a day. I don't know about you but I am most
reflective/active in my own head at 2 times of the day. As I am laying in bed, before I fall asleep... and when I just wake up. If you have to fall
asleep and wake up for 10 years straight thinking about the guy you beat up, I would say that is plenty of time for reflection.
I'm not saying we should make them psychotic, but I'm just shocked at all the fun stuff they have. Prison is supposed to be the worst form of
punishment in a country, so why are they seeming to have fun. Again, I'm not saying let's treat them horribly or that they are having the best times
I can't really offer a rebuttal to this statement because I can tell from your writing that we have different opinions of fun. Being locked in a
cage, let out to play a couple hours a day, is not fun even if you do get to go play fetch for 3 hours. You get me? That is the way I see it. It's
like, if someone said you can play your favorite game in the whole wide world every day for the rest of your life.... BUT, you have to eat trash food,
sleep on a crap mattress, live in a cage, crap with people watching, have the constant possibility of being raped in your butthole or stabbed, have to
be strip searched on a regular basis... would you like to have fun and play your game? No.. heck no... I would like to know on what planet is that
considered fun... Did you not consider this , or do you think the situation and environment in which you are watching TV / playing a game is
irrelevant to your comfort level?
Yeah the downtime is the worst part, but they have opportunities to have fun or, at least, to make the time pass quickly.
It sounds like you are advocating that they have no form of release for their stress whatsoever and should have zero fun. If you spend every single
day absolutely miserable for 10 years, I would love to see that psych evaluation at the end of 10 years....
So what's the difference between your lollipops and ice cream and my televisions and CD players? I would give them the former out of the two
You took what I was saying out of context, the only reason I mentioned lolipops and ice cream was to make sure no one thought I was advocating a
get-away retreat for criminals. I guess for the fun of it though...
Lolipops and ice cream - short, momentary release of endorphins and a childs treat
TV and CD players - tv, useless form of entertainment by getting involved and interested in something that has no meaning or value to you other then
what you tell yourself ... but a cd player, I completely and totally would advocate that every prisoner gets one. Music is one of the best forms of
therapy on the planet.
So that's to answer your question.
Get ready to make a mess. They do have freewill! Sure, it's not like the freewill of the outside world, but they have the freedom to make weapons,
make coffee/liquor, attack each other, rape each other, attempt breakouts, and etc. Of course, they aren't allowed to do these things, but they have
the opportunity to do them. If the animals in zoos had this much freedom, they would love the place!
Whew, I almost blew chunks but then I made it to the third sentence and you conceded. I can leave my room right now if I'd like. Prisoners are told
when and for how long they may leave their "room." I can go make a sandwich right now if I'd like. Prisoners are forced to eat what any sane
human being would consider trash, and when to eat it. I can go get in my car and go to watch a baseball game. A prisoner can't even leave their
cell without permission, let alone get access to a car. I could go on... and on... and on...
They do not have FREE will. They are extremely limited in the decisions they can actually make. They have the ability to make those decisions you
listed, yes. But that is not free will. Free will is what got them there in the first place by deciding to commit the crime... free will is what you
lose when you get there.
When I use the term free will, I am referring to this:
1 : voluntary choice or decision
2 : freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
Free will is doing WHATEVER you want, WHENEVER you want. That does not exist in prison, sorry. I guarantee if you ask a prisoner if you could do
whatever in the world you want right now, their answer would not be "go to the recreation room and watch The Simpsons."
After reading your responses, I'd say the main hang ups between you and I are definitions of fun and free will, and I'm also apparently placing a
higher price tag on LIFE, or a percentage of LIFE. Losing 10 years (or however long) of your existence IS the worst punishment you could receive,