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Originally posted by platosallegory
I looked at these memos and these things are not torture. I went through worse during basic training in the Army.
I remember doing drills in pouring rain for about 15-20 minutes. We were running in place and doing push ups. We also went on a field exercise in a storm and had to sleep on the side of the road in wet leaves and grass, It was so wet me and my battle buddy had to sleep back to back to avoid the wet ground.
Putting someones head under water for 20-40 seconds is nothing. This only happened to 3 or 4 terrorist and it led to some helpful information that stopped attacks in LA and New York.
Waterboarding, being put in a room with bugs or putting you in a cold room is not torture.
I had much worse happen to me during basic training. If you gave me a choice to be waterborded 20-40 seconds a day for 8 weeks vs basic training, you could waterboard me.
Think about what the Navy Seals go through. Here's some info:
Another important part of basic conditioning is drown-proofing. In this evolution, trainees must learn to swim with both their hands and their feet bound. To pass drown-proofing, trainees enter a 9-foot-deep pool and complete the following steps with their hands and feet tied:
bob for 5 minutes
float for 5 minutes
swim 100 meters
bob for 2 minutes
do some forward and backward flips
swim to the bottom of the pool and retrieve an object with their teeth
return to the surface and bob five more times
Another evolution is surf torture, also called "cold water conditioning."
science.howstuffworks.com...
To call the things in this memo torture is a danger to our country. This is not torture in any way, shape or form.
If liberals don't want waterboarding, loud music, bugs in room or any discomfort for terrorist that have information about future plans that could save lives, how will they get any information?
Say pretty please, can you give us some info? This is silly and dangerous.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Whats more sad than anything, I think, is the attitude of "ive been treated worse, so torture is okay".
Whether it be the systematic torture/brainwashing of our armed forces, or the torture of these so called "terrorists" matters not. Torture is unconstitutional, and condoning it is disgusting.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Seany
Pick one since 2001 sir, I was there. And even some that are not mentioned in the media.
[edit on 23-4-2009 by poedxsoldiervet]
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by Seany
No doubt, But Saddam was a bad dude. He tortured more people then bush could even count to. He GASSED his own people for god sake. He even gassed our soldiers in the first war. Now granted we did not find the Large amounts of WMDs that King George says he had. But we did find some very small forgotten arty shells with Sarien Nerve Gas in it. And he also had the ability to create more if We turned a blind eye to his actions. We know he would have done it and would have used it again. Now please answer this question. What would have happened if god forbid Saddam was never toppled Sanctions lifted he recreated these WMDs and they were used on an American City?
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
What would have happened if god forbid Saddam was never toppled Sanctions lifted he recreated these WMDs and they were used on an American City?
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Whats more sad than anything, I think, is the attitude of "ive been treated worse, so torture is okay".
Whether it be the systematic torture/brainwashing of our armed forces, or the torture of these so called "terrorists" matters not. Torture is unconstitutional, and condoning it is disgusting.
Show me in the constitution where it says waterboarding is illegal? Are enemy is far worse then you can imagine ok? They want nothing more then the destruction of the west and America and to turn this whole world into a back water muslim world. Now maybe us war fighters are not honorable creatures in your eyes but with out our might do you think the iman would give a damn about your rights at all?
Originally posted by Seany
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
What would have happened if god forbid Saddam was never toppled Sanctions lifted he recreated these WMDs and they were used on an American City?
It would have been more horrific than any one really knows.
By that same line of reasoning, I guess the troops are going to march into Israel, Korea and Georgia soon .
Originally posted by aravoth
reply to post by poedxsoldiervet
Drop your heroic BS. You are not the only combat veteran on here, not even close. And based on the constitution, any power not specifically granted to the Federal Government, is denied to the federal government.
We were protecting no-one's freedom in Iraq, and you know it. Everyone there knows it. Only thing we have done is create a fresh batch of new terrorists that will one day crash airliners into new skyscrapers decades down the road. Thats all. And when that happens, everyone will wonder why, they'll say there is no reason, blah blah. That is until they figure out that the son of a man that was tortured in Iraq by the US grew up without a father, and blamed the United States for it, exacted his revenge the only way his religion allowed him too.
You get it? Some day you will.
[edit on 23-4-2009 by aravoth]
[edit on 23-4-2009 by aravoth]