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Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Not this type of "Torture" (which isnt really torture) Goverment Lawyers and congresional leader from both sides of the aisle said these methods were okay and had no problem with it. Now all of a sudden it has become a big issue. I am sorry I am not buying this crap that people are selling. its been going on since 2002 and recently it has become an issue. Does anyone else see a problem with this?
Yes, as your argument loses its ability to hold water you begin to reach for ever-harder-to-grasp points.
First you say it is not torture, when it clearly falls under both the U.S. and International definition of torture.
Then you say that government lawyers and congressional leaders had no problem with it. They are complicit and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Then you say that its been going on since 2002 and recently it has become a problem. That is because it was allowed to continue under a criminal administration.
Your entire argument has fallen apart. Torture is illegal, unjust, and inhumane. There is no reasonable defense for it.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Not this type of "Torture" (which isnt really torture) Goverment Lawyers and congresional leader from both sides of the aisle said these methods were okay and had no problem with it. Now all of a sudden it has become a big issue. I am sorry I am not buying this crap that people are selling. its been going on since 2002 and recently it has become an issue. Does anyone else see a problem with this?
Yes, as your argument loses its ability to hold water you begin to reach for ever-harder-to-grasp points.
First you say it is not torture, when it clearly falls under both the U.S. and International definition of torture.
Then you say that government lawyers and congressional leaders had no problem with it. They are complicit and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
Then you say that its been going on since 2002 and recently it has become a problem. That is because it was allowed to continue under a criminal administration.
Your entire argument has fallen apart. Torture is illegal, unjust, and inhumane. There is no reasonable defense for it.
Remeber what you have said. Now the CIA and Intell agencies are going to be lax doing there job for fear of retrubiton. The miltiary will not taking prisoners and if they do they will be re released. So now the enemy knows we have become afraid to do are jobs. And they will grow even more powerful? Hmm I wonder where we have heard this before Oh wait yes Jimmy Carter and Billy Clinton.... If I recall correctly what happen? oh thats right an embassey being taking over and planes falling out of the sky. Could choice there sir, will go ahead bring the troops home. Cause for sure they will need to be used on our own soil cause next time it wont be planes but dirty bombs.
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
That's my fault, I wasnt very clear in my response. It was a subtext to add to yours, not a challenge.
The "essential predicate" is "that a punishment must not by its severity be degrading to human dignity," especially torture.
Originally posted by earthman4
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
Originally posted by earthman4
So far there are no military personel willing to get $15 an hour to get waterboarded. My point has been proven. Basic training gives the option to quit, torture does not. My country tortured a British citizen for 7 years and then found he was innocent. I am ashamed. Never again will we become our enemies.
Reread I said I would TAKE THAT OFFER>
Great, I found a masochist, I'll get you a sadist with money. maybe afterward you can tell us if it was torturous or not.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
For one you havent changed my mind on anything. and two give me a way to fight this war, show me a better way that doesnt invlove America tucking her tail between her legs and running home. If you cannot then, for real whats your point.
We have a saying where I am from (cincinnati) Put (nut)up or Shut up
Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
For one you havent changed my mind on anything. and two give me a way to fight this war, show me a better way that doesnt invlove America tucking her tail between her legs and running home. If you cannot then, for real whats your point.
We have a saying where I am from (cincinnati) Put (nut)up or Shut up
I havent changed your mind, yet you admitted these things were unconstitutional, so you are, by your own admission ADVOCATING THE CIRCUMVENTION OF OUR CONSTITUITION. You should be courtmarshalled.
We are not in a war right now. What about that do you not understand?
Not torturing people is hardly tucking and running. Those brainwashed to see no other way, well, you guys will just have to live with yourselves.
lol, theres an old saying in tenesee, well, I know we have it in Texas, I'm sure it's in Tennessee, that says: Fool me once....shame...shame on......CANT GET FOOLED AGAIN.
Talk about putting up or shutting up, look in the mirror and take your own advice.
So what's my point? My point is, as Ive already stated, that YOU ARE SWORN TO UPHOLD AND PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION, YET YOU OPENLY ADVOCATE ITS CIRCUMVENTION.
How can you not see the hypocrisy?