Project HEDON, and the mystery my father left me, page 3

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 05:34 AM

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Wow, thank you OP for coming forward with this information. As stated prior a lot of us are well aware these experiments took place and are taking place today. This is the first time anyones just shown up out of the blue with a long story that I actually believe. This story doesnt invole aliens taking you on a pleasure cruise lol. I understand fully what they were doing and what happend to the subjects, Im surprised they thought theyd learn something from that though. Either way keep digging and as stated PLEASE take pics of the journal so that they can be preserved. You need to do this long before someone shows up at your front door to confiscate it from you.

MischeviousElf

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 05:52 AM

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OP

Whilst I accept totally, and know a lot of information about, both the current and long standing, use of both Sound and ELF and other waves to control the Populations, both as in MKULTRA in the USA on their own civilians, and also as in the case of the UK around Military Bases Cyprus Mind Control by British Microwave and as is CURRENTLY happening in the Uk with the implementation of the TETRA system which is on nearly every road, and block of houses in the UK here:

Tetra is another highly suspicious addition (1, 2, 3), along with the deaths of 22 Marconi scientists suggesting a mind control function in addition to disease inducing

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and here:

Concern about ELF (Extremely Low Frequency) pulsed radiation effects goes right back to the 1960s when Eastern Block countries started experimenting with 'mind-control' non-lethal weapons. By 1976, a US Department of Defense document [DST-1810S-074-76] was reporting: "The potential for the development of a number of antipersonnel weapons is suggested by the research. ... Sounds and possibly even words which appear to be originating inside the targets head can be induced by signal modulation at very low average power densities. ... Animal experiments have demonstrated the use of low-level microwave signals to produce death by heart seizure or by neurological pathologies resulting from breaching the blood-brain barrier." Work in these areas continued as confirmed by a talk on the "Application of ELF Electromagnetic Fields to Non-Lethal Weapons" at a classified Los Alamos Conference in November 1993 during the period when the TETRA Standard was being developed.

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Also here:

Further Excellent Proof HERE

Which has as well as used on their own civilians, been used by other governments for many years notably the Russian/USSR on the West, especially the proof of "Operation Woodpecker" which is described and documented in much depth on the Internet and elsewhere, HOWEVER there has been much spin and media manipulation of this, and many in the Conspiracy Truth movement have now ignored Woodpecker as they believe the Leaked documents that state NATO and the US had found it to be a type of Over the Horizon Radar that could detect a ICBM rockets effect on the upper atmosphere, and also as the original propogator of the mind control elements of this Woodpecker signal was later convicted of murder and rubbished.....

However as is the case in much of the truth movement and also Conspiracy circles, these people also are used to feed disinformation, and like UFO's only about 1-10% of it is true, Woodpecker unlike many believe is NOT DEBUNKED as the below shows:

a whole list of Ph.Ds has added their support for such conclusions. David Brinkley testified about the Woodpecker signal on NBC Magazine, broadcast on July 18, 1981. Dr. Andrew Michrowski, Technologies Specialist with the Canadian Department of State, and President of the Planetary Association for Clean Energy (PACE), wrote that the signal was “from a number of Tesla-type transmitters” and that the “U.S.S.R. signals have been assessed by the Environmental Protection Agency […] to be psychoactive.” Dr. Robert Beck measured the Woodpecker signal, concluding: “We found the Soviet signal coming in like gangbusters […] right in the window of human psychoactivity.”
Alas, the true purpose of the Woodpecker remains the subject of speculation, largely because in the public mind, it is “merely” tied to a single allegation of a convicted murderer. But even if that were the case, what few have realised, is that Einhorn at least to some extent has been proven right.

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So to surmise, any hardened truth researcher, who is not a school kid just scanning for a couple of hours a week, or the Wacko's our communities sometimes attract KNOWS that everything you state as in the potentials of this are, real, been used, ongoing and worldwide, infact are increasing as TETRA proves.

So this brings me to the question about YOUR OP.

You release WAY TOO much Personal information, on education, places of study, father's history and stationing etc for you and your family, with no proof.

You seem to be at least close to the intelligence you claim from your Degrees in your manner and style of writing, sentence construction etc.
A political degree is very telling indeed

I also like the touch about Alcoholism and absent father, very rapport building with the readership

(*) please see below *)
So therefore, being soo smart you cant also be soo dumb?

If everything you say is TRUE you are flagged and Marked by TPTB and I doubt if your life will now run smoothly, especially if as you claim you are bringing "NEW" information to a already very well documented, researched and important part of the current reality of the TPTB manipulation of Populaces.

If what you say is true I can only give you some advice though, do not do it because I say so, I AM ONLY saying what I WOULD DO as follows:

Pack up, dissapear and get of the NET in all things, not internet, banking, cameras etc everything. For a very very long time, because if what you say is true, about yourself, family, and that you have just outed this, you without a doubt have a CIA or such like, probably deeper operative within 100ft of you from 24 hours after posting this, 24/7 and I doubt your life expectancy will be that Long, as accidents do happen, if you know what I mean.

Therefore as I doubt that infact this is true in totality, I would like to suggest to most readers to take a hint of caution with what you have added, to research the HUGE amount of both Government and DOCUMENTED proof of how ELF, Sound and Microwave etc , have been, and still are used to control, thoughts, emotions and behaviour of individuals and populaces.

To then see what is SPIN within that, and coverups, of coverups, (as the link I provide for Woodpecker shows), and realise that all the effects and types of experiments the OP describes are known, do happen, have and continue to, but it is impossible to validate what he says, whera's others are validated and not let the water be muddied any further, by this Potential disinformation.

Have to be Honest OP not personal, and in the extremely likely chance that all you state is true, and you are not just making up a story, a Foreign or domestic to the US Psy Op operative, you are both braver and madder than me.

Kind Regards,

Elf.

( * I personally experienced both of those factors, so if it is true for you, or any readers this is mentioned, not to rubbish or offend, but to show the Language (not microwave lol) used to manipulate our emotions and thoughts/beliefs if as I suggest above the OP is a PSY/OP or storyteller :d)

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Dutty_Rag

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 06:01 AM
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Was anyone ever brought to justice over MKULTRA?

Another example maybe of people getting away - literally - with murder.

Kind of like Obama's latest bill to exempt CIA employees from prosecution over the now publicly acknowledged torture.

What is the point in having laws if they aren't enforced?

T0by

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 06:08 AM
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reply to post by MischeviousElf

Harsh but probably true.

I think everyone who is thinking of making a story to post up here should read that.

SecretGoldfish

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 06:30 AM
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*** “Could it be that my journals would one day be treated just as the words of these dying humans? Just the rhetoric of a madman, of which no one cared to listen." ***

Yes.

Yet another “I found a box of my dad’s old journals and you’ll NEVER guess what they say” story?

I’ll approach this is an editor, because you have some structural defects in your story that can be cured to make your story publishable somewhere. It’s a decent if not slightly worn-out subject in general, but being able to tie it into Dr. Delgado will give you some kind of immediate audience I suppose.

First off, you need to make your father’s long-term involvement with the ‘project’ more realistically believable. As is, it just doesn’t read as proper scientific or military protocol.

So here goes . . .

OK, so your father was *once* stationed in Spain, where he now *lived* thus implying your father was at this point in time no longer in service to the government (assumption: stationed implies either a former military or government job taking him overseas).

My suggestion? A love interest that keeps him in Spain after his term of service expires, maybe, but it’s kind of cliché. Perhaps he stays in Spain because he’s not ALLOWED to leave the country because of some phonied up crime he wasn’t involved with (this will immediately add to the mystery of your tale . . . ‘why are they keeping this poor guy in Spain fer chrissakes?’).

That’s your hook.

Then, he’s recruited for this secret experiment . . . even though he’s apparently no longer in any kind of government capacity that would serve, even hypothetically, as a feeder for such programs. It’s SO much easier to get service members into such programs than average Joes . . . BUT . . . if he’s being made to stay in Spain because of some special aptitude that shows up on his psychological exam (like an incapacity to care about other people maybe) which makes him ideal for this type of experiment: a fact that Dr. Delgado knew about but your father didn’t and the good doctor conned him. But you really need to address WHY your civilian father was recruited. The ‘false friendship’ angle would work here.

Then, he discovers that there are ‘bad things’ happening to the cats and says he wants no part of this . . .

OK, you have to back up a bit here. WHEN did he find out? Was this before he had been experimented on, or after? This is a critical distinction.

If it was AFTER he had been given the cat treatment, then your father couldn’t be in the control group as he’d already been exposed to the stimulus being tested. And if it was BEFORE he’d been treated, he still couldn’t be part of the control because of his knowledge of what the result of having been exposed to the stimulus would be.

And as any first year biology major can tell you, anyone in a control group such as this experiment would entail, would have to THINK they were receiving the actual stimulus, otherwise, there’s not really a control group at all.

Again, don’t get discouraged, just a bit of re-writing will do the trick. Maybe your dad thought he was not being exposed to the cat treatment, but in reality he was secretly being piped sound through his pillow or through a water glass oddly located on his bedside table each nigh.

But you’ll simply have to address the problem in your ‘control group’ angle.

And then, the experiment gets cancelled because of all the bad stuff. Time passes. I like the potential here for the love interest, better here than earlier. He puts the past behind him, future looks bright, blah blah blah, just go with it.

So your father is one year away from wrapping up his PhD, when he receives a mystery call from Dr. Delgado, who asks him to whisk away to Arizona this month to help organize a study that Dr. Delgado was not going to take part in. And your oddly agrees.

CONT'D

SecretGoldfish

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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So let's discuss your father's odd decision here . . .

How long has he worked on his PhD? Neurosciences, I’d suspect he was 3 years into it. And yet he’s willing to toss that all aside to move to Arizona to be part of an experiment his good friend Dr. Delgado (whom he hasn’t spoken to in years it would seem). Why? Why because of the phonied up crime of course! See, the noose is tightening up on him, things look bad, but at the last minute Dr. Delgado offers to help him escape Spain and can even hook him up with a paying gig, all due to the good doctor’s connections, in Arizona, USA.

Problem . . . solved.

It also ties him firmly, psychologically, to Dr. Delgado and his project in all its horrors, and explains why he stayed on so long. He OWED Dr. Delgado, plain and simple.

The next period of his/your life sounds long and tortured. Great! But jazz it up a bit with some strange ‘uncle’ you never me before moving in next door . . . only to discover later that he was actually not really an uncle at all, but a CIA agent planted next door to make your father toe the line. That’s just a suggestion, you’re the writer, you jazz it up as you see fit.

And how about all these dead kids? Where are they coming from? You need to address that . . . maybe an orphanage? Nah, too Mickey Rooney-ish. Kidnapped? Nah, make your father seem far too nefarious. My suggestion is to lose the kids in your next draft, and just make it adults being experiment on. Still plenty sinister if you ask me. You’ll have a hard enough time just explaining where the fresh batches of ‘experimentees’ came from and how they were never missed. Soldiers would be perfect here . . . maybe move the entire operation to the ‘Golden Triangle’ or somewhere equally as (a) notorious for lawlessness and (b) impossible for the subjects to escape from. Again, just a suggestions, I’m an editor not a writer.

OK, this section is pure trouble . . .

**The second phase came later. After much trial and error, the subjects were put under anesthesia and then escorted into the rounded room. The door was locked, same as before, and a few seconds passed. This time, however, something changed dramatically. The door was unlocked, yet no suffering man fell out. I suppose my father's first reaction was that the subject must still be under anesthesia, lying on the floor of the room and now in no condition to get up. However, this seemed not to be the case. Although my father's view was obstructed, and his line of sight was at such an angle that it didn't allow a full view of the room, he swore that the subject was gone. Disappeared from a locked room, in a controlled laboratory. An explanation for this defies me, just as it defied my father at the time.**

You should be ‘supposing’ anything at this point, it ALL needs to come from your father’s journals, otherwise how would you know about viewing angles and such stuff? You absolutely HAVE to stay with your father’s perspective, and purely his perspective, at this point in the story. Otherwise you’re losing your reader.

Anyway, I've given you plenty of early 'food for thought' here. I think you've got a bright future ahead of you as a writer, you just need to work more on depth as you've got more than enough breadth here.

keep on writing, that's the secret. Winners never quit and quitters never win. Just believe in yourself the way your father believed in (a) the power of love, (b) the brilliance of Dr. Delgado, or (d) the beauty of the 'Golden Triangle', whichever the case may be, and you'll FIND your story tells itself.

Good luck young author, and god speed!

StrangeBrew

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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I doubt it's as dire a situation for you as Elf makes it out to be. Although your journals may now be at risk, I hardly say you need to head for the hills.

I'm interested in early military experiments and this seems like a legit story. As many of us are aware, experiments of this magnitude are not only plausible but on the mild end of the spectrum to put it one way. These particular subjects, expiring after only seconds or minutes at least had that on their side.

One thing I found interesting is the reaction of the subjects after the doors lock. It would be interesting to learn what these sick scientists were finding. Was the death-like facial reaction from the EM field or EL frequencies due to the fact that they were literally inducing stokes/aneurysms etc, or were they exposing the subjects to "something else" that caused them to display this overwhelming sense of fear and anguish just before they expired?

cbianchi513

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 06:51 AM
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This is why I love ATS so much... I get to read constructive, well thought out posts like these. There is a catch though.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to where creative writing is done?

Assuming your assumption that this is pure fiction is true, that is.

Which brings an interesting subtext: Why choose ATS as the test audience?

What's the control?

sunny_2008ny

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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When I posted my Mind Control experiences in ATS, I even got threatening posts, they were of course removed by the mods, but just to say there are govt agents in these kind of forums and they can intimidate you.

Yummy Freelunch

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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I agree, Sunny!
This is just what I expected of ATS, anyway. Of course it sounds like a sci fi story. This is the stuff the MAKES sci fi!
What, you guys think its too much for you to believe? There is plenty of other stories like it, only this one even has a diary!

celticniall

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 08:02 AM
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This is definitely a good read, and I could see this type of thing being true, and happening.

However, as one previous responder pointed out, the similarities to the Stephen King story is maybe too much of a coincidence?

However, I am willing to keep an open mind, especially as we await the diary scans and any other scans of corroborating evidence that the OP is willing to bring to the table....

karl 12

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 08:44 AM
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According to his writings, the centralized focus of the project at first was testing the effects of neuro-electromagnetic waves, EL and UL frequencies and microwaves on the human brain.

Good post - theres some interesting comments made about the
"The sound of silence machine" and other EMG/sound frequency experiments carried out on soldiers at this thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Cheers.

tatersalad

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 10:50 AM
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i have to giggle at most humans anymore. why, you might ask? this man comes out with a seemingly legit story told to him from his father, as many such stories are told at a last ditch effort by dieing relatives,to set the record straight, but people want more and more proof. how about these proof mongrels start doing a little research of there own, such as how did we get so many varieties of dogs from one species? Or if you think our government is so legit, try going to a base and blindly asking to see government records! trying not to sound to pessamistic here, but our reality is governed by the powers to be and if one such REAL story can make its way out into the daylight, i am all up for it. Sorry, but really tired of people sitting there whole lifes behind a desk, computer, and or tv to get there reality serum.
GO TRUTH!!!!

Double_Nought_Spy

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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One day, we will have some fantastic story posted here, by someone who has just joined ATS, and it will be about some astounding discovery in the poster's mother's belongings, or a deathbed admission of her involvement in some diabolical government program, or that she went to the moon on several missions in the secret space program. I look forward to that day!

karl 12

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Double_Nought_Spy
One day, we will have some fantastic story posted here!

Truth is often stranger than fiction -heres a nice list of actual government experiments:
artificialtelepathy.blogspot.com...

emsed1

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Hedon,

This is an interesting post and well-written. There were two members of ATS (one dead now) who mentioned military experiments where scientists were trying to breed 'super soldiers'.

I can see this technology you speak of being used to trigger a rage or berserker change in a soldier.

Whether we all agree on the details I think most folks on ATS would agree that creepy experiments have been conducted on people a lot more than the public would realize.

Here is an example:

Nightmare Hall

TrentReznor

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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SecretGoldfish's Post got me thinking...

Thinking there is a Student writer's assignment , to Produce a short story and put it out there (ATS for example) for the Tutors to Grade and see how it holds up (or dessolves).

Just a thought!

and that may explain some of the Waves of Hoaxes we get round here.

Not Discredeting the OP, as I don't know much about this sort of stuff.

Just found it an intresting read.

Byrd

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by cbianchi513
reply to post by SecretGoldfish

This is why I love ATS so much... I get to read constructive, well thought out posts like these. There is a catch though.

Shouldn't this thread be moved to where creative writing is done?

Which brings an interesting subtext: Why choose ATS as the test audience?

What's the control?

Big audience, lots of knowledgeable people, lots of skeptics (I'm also skeptical of the story, based on the scientific research work I've done. The methodology is all wrong. Really. And then there's the issue of how twitchy everyone was about ethics after the Nuremberg trials and the CIA ops involving anthropologists (Project Camelot).) If you can get it past the researchers and scholars here, you might be able to get it picked up by, say, George Noory.

Byrd

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
I agree, Sunny!
This is just what I expected of ATS, anyway. Of course it sounds like a sci fi story. This is the stuff the MAKES sci fi!
What, you guys think its too much for you to believe? There is plenty of other stories like it, only this one even has a diary!

Oh. Well, that makes a difference, right?

Nah.

We've seen stories with faked diary pages, too as well as faked drawings (one involved a drawing "done by a 7 year old"... and we all caught that it was done by an adult and not a kid.) Didn't make it past this tough crowd.

Redpillblues

posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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What I dont understand is that it was copied and pasted to here,but it is not found anywhere on the web other than here..Going against what the op said..Im starting to think it was a short storie for an audiance approval..like said above..
A few tid bits of info I know about MKULTRA..
The title MKULTra was an umbrella term for many experiments..Mostly given numbers..
Any time a new name emerged it was a new goal set forth..Though it seems..

In skimming through the 2-300 pages of declassified papers for the program there was talk of putting participants in sealed rooms with different gasses that would alter there mental state