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In order for it to succeed, tyranny must destroy those who think, for it is in thinking that freedom abounds and tyranny is constrained and destroyed. - Richard Hudson, Children of Tyranny.
These threads are just immediate drama generators.
Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
Before you start writing your Senators and embarassing yourselves, don't you think you should actually read the bill? It is NOT for testing of new mothers and says absolutely nothing about that. It IS for providing assistance to mothers who want to be in the program.
Do not assume that everything you read is true. Look for yourselves!
Apparently you can't link directly to a bill anymore, so go to the Library of Congress Search Page and type in H.R. 20.
And, by the way, save this link in your browser so you can actually read the bills from now on.
[edit on 22/4/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]
Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman
Your links don't work.
And if you think this - along with so many other rights taken away from parents isn't just another step to allow government to take children? Then you need to research farther than just dry words on a paper.
Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by silo13
What I mean by drama is everyone getting their panties in a wad before even reading what the bill is about.
It is about post partum follow up questionaire. But it has been turned into, the government is gonna determine your unfit and keep your baby at the hospital!
That is drama.
These *threads* as you call them are shining a light on tyranny - pure and simple.
n an age where the President is calling for mandatory public service for children?
You mean those programs many states have already isntituted? The ones where they actually get real world experience. You call it service, I call it an extention of the classroom, and a realistic one at that.
Not any different then the kid who has to rebuild the car in votech.
When there is case after case after case of the government taking children away from parents for no other reason than to fill quotas and make money?
Where is your proof??
Fill what quotas, make money how?
I think your thinking of Wal-mart. do you shop at walmart? Then you are supporting this very thing. Do you wear Nikes? Then you are supporting child slave labor.
You’re right it’s drama - it’s drama of the highest kind - when little by little by little each and every right of a parent is taken away - under the guise of *saving* children.
When you take a bill and turn it into something completely absurd without even reading it, it is called DRAMA. Children also have the right to sane parents. This is right up the alley for pro lifers, making sure the kiddies are safe. Telling people the babies are gonna stay in the hospital when the real thing is that parents get a volunteer screening is called DRAMA.
stop the drama.
And if you think this - along with so many other rights taken away from parents isn't just another step to allow government to take children?
SEC. 102. NATIONAL PUBLIC AWARENESS CAMPAIGN.
(a) In General- The Director of the National Institutes of Health and the Administrator of the Health Resources and Services Administration are encouraged to carry out a coordinated national campaign to increase the awareness and knowledge of postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis.
(b) Public Service Announcements- Activities under the national campaign under subsection (a) may include public service announcements through television, radio, and other means.
Silo, did you even read the bill or did you just take that website's word for it. This is pure propoganda (in the negative sense). Before you keep on, I'd suggest you actually READ the bill and then come back and apologize to people for not checking a source BEFORE you post something as ludicrous as this.
(One of the organizations behind this push is CCHR. CCHR is the Church of Scientology. Need I say more?)
The Melanie Blocker Stokes MOTHERS Act does NOT recommend drugs or require drugs or endorse drugs. What is does is the following:
-Encourage the Department of Health and Human Services to coordinate and continue research to expand the understanding of the causes of, and find treatments for, postpartum conditions.
-Encourage a national public awareness campaign to be administered by HHS to increase awareness and knowledge of postpartum depression and psychosis.
-Encourage HHS to make grants available for projects for the establishment, operation and coordination of systems for the delivery of essential services to individuals with postpartum depression.
There is no nefarious undercurrent, no plot by "the man." The simple point is to continue to look into the causes of postpartum mood disorders, to let people know they exist and to provide better support services for the women who have them and their families. Period, the end. Every woman has the choice to decline participation in a screening, and every woman has the choice to look at all of the various treatment options available to her and choose the best one for her, whether it includes medication, therapy, alternative treatments, support groups or some combination thereof
Ok, so now I'm feeling guilty for being so hard on you. I realize that it is quite tempting to jump on things like this and I have done that myself as well. I do also know that your intentions were not bad. Just keep to the facts and everyone will be better off.
Originally posted by silo13
I’ve had it, just had it with story after story of children being taken to fill quotas, forced adoptions, Social Services who take children from families and don’t give them back no matter what the parents do to *comply* with parenting classes - Social Services that allow children to be sexually and physically abused while *caring* for them
forced military and/or community service.
Forcing children to take inoculations.
Fluoride in BABY water now!
No more home schooling.
Don’t discipline your child or the government steps in.
The trash in the food.
The endless lists of behavioral drugs for children.
The mother takes the *test* for “diagnosis and management”.
The requirements for being *fit* are not met, or the new mother is labeled suffering from postpartum depression. (Don't even ask the percentages that do - it’s like all mothers experience it at some level)...
So, now the test this mother is a *risk* is registered and is on file.
But, the mother is allowed to take her child home with promises to take *parenting classes* and *allow social services to stop by every day*.
The mother kills the newborn.
Who is going to pay?
The HOSPITAL - you got it!
The defense lawyer for that mother will OWN the hospital before the circus is over.
No, it isn’t written out in black and white when reading HR20 - it doesn’t have to be, but it’s plane as day to me - and many others.
The birth of a baby can trigger a jumble of powerful emotions, from excitement and joy to fear and anxiety. But it can also result in something you might not expect — depression.
Many new moms experience the baby blues after childbirth. An estimated 10 percent of new moms experience a more severe form of emotional distress known as postpartum depression. Rarely, an extreme form of postpartum depression known as postpartum psychosis develops after childbirth.
Postpartum depression isn't a character flaw or a weakness. Sometimes postpartum depression is simply part of giving birth. If you have postpartum depression, prompt treatment can help you manage your symptoms — and enjoy your baby.