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The Mutation of the Neo-Con-Virus

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posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 05:38 PM
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Last question.

You said you rather pick principles over party. What priniciples has President Obama shown that makes you feel he is better for the job over McCain?


I liked McCain when he was the "Maverick" but when he went 180 in the opposite direction, he showed his true colors. Plus volumes can be said by one's endorsements
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posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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The question was not what you did not like about McCain. It was what principals President Obama as shown that makes you feel he is going to do a better job then McCain would have?



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 11:53 PM
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I think my short-cut sufficiently addresses your question on it's own merit.

Obama is not McCain in terms of principles/endorsements, is it really necessary to rehash the details of their differences?... as i eluded to prior the election is a matter of choosing the lesser of the two evils.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 12:28 PM
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Last time I'm going to try and get an answer from you.

I do not want the differances in principles between the two.

Just the principles that President Obama has that led you to believe he was the better choice.

McCain is a non issue, this is all about Obama.

I'm beginning to think you don't have a clue and purposely dodging the question.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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OK BOSS... as you ordered!
... but your frame of mind is too myopic...
you must broaden your understanding.

on topic:

"Principles"... are there any to be found?

If both parties are bought and paid for... how can there be principles?
Both "sides" are performing their skit to give us the illusion that there is a choice.

Do you understand me now? or do i have to once again come up with another way of putting the obvious?

Once again the election is a matter of choosing the lesser of the two evils.
We are only given the candidates the ruling elite have prescreened/chosen for us... again this is a plutocracy masquerading around as a democracy.

[edit on 23-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on Apr, 24 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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I think much more can be said about a politician if we look at their supporters... both in the public and private light as well as the shadows. Looking at one of McCain's endorsements a little closer would scare any reasonable person to vote for "the other guy".


(click to open player in new window)


Embracing an Armageddon to the point that you are actively pushing the world toward this self-full-filling-prophecy is crazy on a whole new level.

CUFI is a prime example of a neo-con tool/WMD... thus the title of this thread... some viruses untreated can kill you.


[edit on 24-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on Apr, 25 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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Can we all agree that a virus in nature and a virus in technology are related in that they have frivolous destruction at the core of their function?

The the same could be seen/said for the Neo-Con-Virus, here's bill maher with a clear current illustration;



Here are the big issues for normal people: the war, the economy, the environment, mending fences with our enemies and allies, and the rule of law.

And here's the list of Republican obsessions since President Obama took office: that his birth certificate is supposedly fake, he uses a teleprompter too much, he bowed to a Saudi guy, Europeans like him, he gives inappropriate gifts, his wife shamelessly flaunts her upper arms, and he shook hands with Hugo Chavez and slipped him the nuclear launch codes.

Do these sound like the concerns of a healthy, vibrant political party?


source: The GOP: divorced from reality www.latimes.com...

Since they have no purpose other then to survive right now, they are driven to plagiarize a purpose from others whom they had dragged through the mud during the election year.

Maybe a better descriptor then virus would be scum?


[edit on 25-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 01:40 AM
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I'm one of those Ron Paul supporters who voted for Obama because I began to feel complete and utter contempt for the Republican Party as a whole. I think a lot of people felt the same way and that is part of the reason Obama is in office.

The conservatives aren't doing themselves any favors since Obama's Administration has taken hold. They blame the Democrats for pushing through a massive bail out (the 2nd, remember, the republicans were responsible for the 1st one), they tear down the democrats budget, but when they finally get around to showing "the other option," they make a complete flop. It has gotten embarassing.

But where I start to feel real and true anger is when I hear people like Sean Hannity talk about Ron Paul as though he actually cares one iota about anyone who has any kind words for the man. I have the misfortune of listening to that mans radio show on my drive home from work and i couldn't even count all the times he referred to us (ME) as Paultards, laughing at us, calling us kooks, completely discrediting Ron Paul at every single turn, making fun of his supporters, calling us fringe.

But now they want to make nice. They hijacked those tea parties and pushed the libertarians right out of their own organized events. The christian contingent in this country took out the conservative republicans in the 80's and they're moving on to devour the libertarians in their attempts to assimilate them.

I take serious offense to "conservative" shills in the media trying to cozy up to me after all those months of degrading my intelligence. I hope everyone else does too.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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Well spoken Cyfre... you nailed it!

Now you have me thinking virus and scum as descriptors fall short... maybe "two-faced back-stabbing parasitic copy-cat chameleons" would be more fitting?

An exposé of their warped code of ethics... to win at all costs... even if it means selling your soul and ripping off a far superior parties ideologies that you once arrogantly smeared and dismissed.

Hannnity and the other cheerleaders of this neo-con mutation should be locked up for all of the half-truths, flat out lies and fear-mongering fabrications they have been injecting into our society for all of these years. I hold these propaganda shills high up on the list of responsibility for the ills of this country... but instead their ratings are still strong and they produce a new lead in Beck, who personifies the mutation itself.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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Why didn't you provide a link to the original article?

Here it is.

Fox Launches Infowars Clone in Attempt to Cannibalize Patriot Movement

Personally, I love all the attention being placed on Murdoch & Co to allow Immelt & Co to skew as far left as possible, even serving in the Obama administration, with no to minimal attention. Good job on the subversion attempt.

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

[edit on 4/26/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 02:57 PM
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Thank you for the link, i must have lost track of it in the throws of my multitasking and random interruptions coming at me from the offline world.

As for murdock and his competition, both sides bow to israel as do both parties... as for how far they will go to sell an attack on iran this remains to be seen in this new administration... but it's no secret as to what the neo-cons want. A WWIII would be their wet dream.



posted on Apr, 26 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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It looks like they have formed a new PNAC. At the moment it seems primary concerned with Afghanistan . The Directors are :

Robert Kagan
William Kristol
Dan Senor



The Foreign Policy Initiative (FPI) is a newly formed, non-profit, non-partisan organization intending to qualify as a tax-exempt organization under Section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code that promotes:

continued U.S. engagement--diplomatic, economic, and military—in the world and rejection of policies that would lead us down the path to isolationism;

robust support for America’s democratic allies and opposition to rogue regimes that threaten American interests;

the human rights of those oppressed by their governments, and U.S. leadership in working to spread political and economic freedom;

a strong military with the defense budget needed to ensure that America is ready to confront the threats of the 21st century;

international economic engagement as a key element of U.S. foreign policy in this time of great economic dislocation.

FPI looks forward to working with all who share these objectives, irrespective of political party, so that the United States successfully confronts its challenges and make progress toward a freer and more secure future.


www.foreignpolicyi.org...

You see they too are on the human rights bandwagon ( as an excuse for intervention) now .



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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Thank you for the heads up Drexl

Here's another summary on their current objectives... all spelled out in title:
Foreign Policy Initiative’s Kagan And Kristol Already At Odds On Engaging Iran

[edit on 29-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Check out this Fool/Tool Fest Frenzy.



After watching this ...
i am seriously torn between

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posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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I turned off and unplugged my TV 17 months ago and haven't turned it back on since...

Threads like this...have me considering turning off my computer as well!

Political divisiveness is the halmark of both equally corrupt political parties. That is after all what divide and conquer politics and warfare is about.

That each party has to maintain some form of a distinctive personality to give it an allure to entice people into believing in it and joining in it and then taking part in divide and conquer, dog and pony show charade shouldn't actually becoming as too much of a surprise to any that "Deny Ignorance" actually means something too personally.

The OP's whole post is really akin to...would you prefer lethal injection or the electric chair.

As opposed to the Illuminists who just want to make sure you hang yourself one way or another.

Here is your rope back OP...I won't be needing it.



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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Nice of you to tune back in just enough to tune back out again. If you actually took the time to review the thread instead of just topically responding to the OP... you'd see that this inquiry has to do with the chameleon nature of the portion of the political body that has made a blatant attempt to absorb a third parties' ideologies. This is a very interesting phenomenon to witness for those who have an avid interest in politics. As far as divisiveness goes... the neo-cons are king... i think it's important to have a close eye on their anti-social psychotic tactics... just as well a closer eye needs to be on the party currently in power for it is it's turn now to give off the illusion that they care. Yes we are being played on both "sides"... this thread's focus is not on both "sides" it's on the one that left us bleeding... and continues to push for more.

What you advocate by your example and post is to take a defeatist stance and tune out. What i am advocating with this thread is to tune in and not take anything at face value. No one here is denying that both parties serve the same master and that this country is essentially a plutocracy masquerading around as a democracy.

[edit on 29-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on Apr, 29 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by The All Seeing I
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Nice of you to tune back in just enough to tune back out again. If you actually took the time to review the thread instead of just topically responding to the OP... you'd see that this inquiry has to do with the chameleon nature of the portion of the political body that has made a blatant attempt to absorb a third parties' ideologies. This is a very interesting phenomenon to witness for those who have an avid interest in politics. As far as divisiveness goes... the neo-cons are king... i think it's important to have a close eye on their anti-social psychotic tactics... just as well a closer eye needs to be on the party currently in power for it is it's turn now to give off the illusion that they care. Yes we are being played on both "sides"... this thread's focus is not on both "sides" it's on the one that left us bleeding... and continues to push for more.

What you advocate by your example and post is to take a defeatist stance and tune out. What i am advocating with this thread is to tune in and not take anything at face value. No one here is denying that both parties serve the same master and that this country is essentially a plutocracy masquerading around as a democracy.

[edit on 29-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]


I don't care what the parties are doing! I don't care why they are doing it!
I don't care what they are stealing, who they are fooling, or who they are plagerizing!

I read the whole thread from start to finish. I would not have posted had I not...and yes you have in subsequent posts said things like...

"Lesser of two evils"

"They are both corrupt but this one is worse"

That sounds like a ringing endorsement from one of my parents when they go to stand in line and waste their time voting.

Well I voted for Carter son because he is the lesser of two evils!

How about no one votes? Who goes to Washington in a 0-0 tie?

The answer...who ever the Prince Electors of the Electoral College say will!

The system is screwed up period!

Let me repeat...the system is screwed up period!

The system needs changed and it will not be changed through any existing party, or through a charade of a democratic process that is a charade...

0-0 tie, the Electoral College still can award the actual electoral votes to the Candidate of their choice, and they aren't citizens they hold an office..in a position called Elector.

Gore versus Bush...sorry about that statistical anomyly folks...don't worry the Supreme Court will straighten that right out!

The ENTIRE political process is a FRAUD!

I tuned in and dropped out a long, long time ago my friend.

When enough people drop out from the system, the system won't be able to function as it does, and it will crumble, and then maybe it won't be about the lesser of two evils and who lies and steals the least.

I know you do know what I am saying...

I hope that clears up your questions...

Hint in both my posts...no reference to which party holds the Prince of Evil title.

You are playing partisan politics my friend whether you see it, can see it, or can admitt to it is irrelevant. It still equates to an endorsement of a fraudulent and borken dysfunctional system.

Thanks!



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 08:00 AM
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Star, Kudos, Bravo... that's what i like to see... fire in the belly. You really do care after all. You are more of an asset to country and ATS if you actively participate in this info-war. Each of these threads, that you could broad stroke bipartisan bicker banter is an opportunity to set the record straight... that the system is fixed... this you could say has been my ulterior motive.

Sorry to say the boycott will not work. Whether we like it or not we all have to be engaged for there to be any chance of evolving past this con game. Pointing out the absurdities and the hypocrisies of the beast we in turn collectively learn to recognize it's deceptive ways... and therefore seek out alternatives.

What amazes me is how much they flaunt their disrespect for us in our face. They know how intellectually lazy and emotionally delayed we are and they milk it from every angle/side. We are sheeple in their eyes... and they have us tag teamed...

but the more of us that recognize that the man and dog work together... the greater chance we have at changing the rules of the game:









[edit on 30-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on Apr, 30 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Star, Kudos, Bravo... that's what i like to see... fire in the belly. You really do care after all. You are more of an asset to country and ATS if you actively participate in this info-war. Each of these threads, that you could broad stroke bipartisan bicker banter is an opportunity to set the record straight... that the system is fixed... this you could say has been my ulterior motive.


Well, that’s a qualified statement where you are saying “This you could say has been my ulterior motive”. So could I say it or not? Can you take definitive ownership of a statement or are you simply intent to do a Benjamin Franklin and say “Well, some people believe…” so you can see first if it’s politically safe and expedient to take ownership of what some people believe happens to also be what you believe?

I feel I should inform you that I know genuine illuminists, and have myself participated in the real political process, not the one that the citizens do at the polls but the real one in the cloistered dining rooms of prestigious gentlemen’s clubs where perspective candidates for office are first interviewed and gauged for suitability to carry out the illuminists agenda.

In all fairness if you are taking ownership of the statement than let me add further that yes, my intimate past relationship with several key illuminists has exposed me to their own plight of not quite knowing just how they can get people to become truly aware of who and what they are and their true potential and that it does take some trickery and prodding to get people to question and think about it.

Yes, my friend I am an asset to Rome and understand it’s eternal march to glory…I do work tirelessly to help encourage people on a path to freedom and contributing more and more responsibly and I too will play the Devil’s advocate at times and use other deceptive methods when I know a person would be best served by zigging but will zag if approached one way, yet might zig if approached an entirely different way. Mostly though I like to play it straight up…

If you don’t say what you mean…you can’t possibly mean what you say.




Sorry to say the boycott will not work. Whether we like it or not we all have to be engaged for there to be any chance of evolving past this con game. Pointing out the absurdities and the hypocrisies of the beast we in turn collectively learn to recognize it's deceptive ways... and therefore seek out alternatives.


Few people know the truth my friend, and few of them who do dare to believe it, it is not merely a con game by a mass deception of unrivaled and mind numbing proportions that in fact would require a laborious and painful introspection of one’s heart, mind and soul to truly accept the truth is the truth.

Yet the reality is you can not plot a course where you are going to if you do not know where you are at when starting the journey. All roads in fact do lead to Rome but how far away am I and what do I need to logistically make that journey. If a person simply exposes the hypocrisies but still does not know where he is, but simply where he is not, he is still unable to undertake that journey no matter how fired up they are to make it.

When one cuts off one of the heads of Medusa there are still many more heads to severe each deadly and each formidable, and my friend trust me Medusa has more than two heads. Know your enemy, know them intimately, not just in small part based on the illusion.

A hungry beast can not afford to be either fickle or capricious or choose its battles at its discretion, it must expose itself…starving the beast lures it out of its cave.




What amazes me is how much they flaunt their disrespect for us in our face. They know how intellectually lazy and emotionally delayed we are and they milk it from every angle/side. We are sheeple in their eyes... and they have us tag teamed...


They are in a position to flaunt their disrespect and they disrespect for a reason.

You have a choice, I have a choice, and we all have a choice…be Masters of our own destinies or to be slaves to others and live off of what they can provide. Make no mistake my friend, many people talk a great game, but they do it from an armchair the day after it was played, not on the playing field where talk is cheap and action means everything.

The illuminists feel the weight of the responsibility mass abdication of personal responsibility and accountability by the masses leaves on their shoulders requiring them in turn to logistically see to those things the average person can and will not consider or comprehend to ensure their own survival and well being. People want their fare placed in the troth for them and to contribute as little and in as meaninglessly as possible, the bulk want their opium, their religion, their absolution, and will comply with almost anything in order to be granted it.

This hardly constitutes a good Roman and it is hard for the State to respect them for so shirking their duties and responsibilities to family and State.

They know at best most people are capable of only talk and will eagerly enslave themselves for pittances and trifles that are demeaning of spirit and purpose in life.

If you want people to know the truth, that is the harsh truth…the people are not tag teamed they are thoroughly and totally corralled and penned because Medusa does have many heads, and the Roman State is legion.

Know the truth, know thy enemy and then perhaps they will not just respect you but fear you as well.




but the more of us that recognize that the man and dog work together... the greater chance we have at changing the rules of the game:


Few people know the rules of the game, what the game is, who controls it, to what end or purpose though it is both a matter of intense speculation and actually in black and white all around them in such obvious yet subtle ways it is easy to dismiss as people run from one end of the corral to the other speculating as to just where the gate is and what and who lay on the other side…

Now…having said that The Imperial Grand Master signifies you as a Prince of a Holy Roman Empire Religious order appointed by a Prince Abbot, the New World Order is Rome my friend and the United States of America is contractually bound in to and is a part of both the Roman Empire and Holy Roman Empire…and it is in black and white easy to read and easy to understand as spelled out in the Contract drawn up by a duly empowered Prince Elector and through an fully empowered and recognized Court of the Holy Roman Empire…

I waited to midnight to post this reply because the moon is in my sign through tonight…

It’s the midnight special shining it’s ever loving light on thee!

How is that for illuminating?

Love the picture by the way…something tells me you will understand this response…

I am all for exposure, a return to patrician law, some fun bath houses, and some temples to Bacchus. There are by the way a few Christians and a few Lions I would like to see get together too!

Ciao my friend. Hail Caesar.



posted on May, 1 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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Thank you for the grand effort in reply, i see a very deep tunnel you have traveled. You have been digging long and hard as a nomadic scholar/soldier in the shadow world.

You have given me a lot to respond to, but for clarity sake and to speak more directly to the purpose in potential of such threads as this... I will elaboration on this metaphor through parallels.

For a moment lets call this environment we dwell in ATS University:

If you are going to be effective in teaching someone a new language you have to met them where they are at. Same could be said for a tour guide or any novelist/story-teller. To take people from A to B by expecting them to met you at C is likely to backfire. To give you a sense of scale... you are most likely at either X, Y or Z.

Pluto's Cave Alagory is another way of understanding the bigger picture here. In order to convince the masses that what they perceive to be reality projected on the cave wall (tv) is a manufactured/fabricated deception, you first have to sit by their side and then slowly suddely point out the elements of the story(s) that don't make sense. So through questioning the oracle we can reveal that what was once regarded as truth is really a lie. From here the lesson can shift toward the source of these lies, their objectives/plans etc. The real transformation takes place when Todo pulls the curtain on the Wizard of Oz... but to get to that point you have to go on this journey with people... you have to met them where they are at. It all starts with baby steps in awareness.

Part of the reason these travels are so time consuming and frustrating is that you are dealing with a grieving process. When you take-away/deconstruct what was once embraced it's not any different then any other significant loss someone typically experiences in life:



At some point in our lives, each of us faces the loss of someone or something dear to us. The grief that follows such a loss can seem unbearable, but grief is actually a healing process. Grief is the emotional suffering we feel after a loss of some kind. The death of a loved one, loss of a limb, even intense disappointment can cause grief. Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross has named five stages of grief people go through following a serious loss. Sometimes people get stuck in one of the first four stages. Their lives can be painful until they move to the fifth stage - acceptance.

Five Stages Of Grief

1. Denial and Isolation.
At first, we tend to deny the loss has taken place, and may withdraw from our usual social contacts. This stage may last a few moments, or longer.

2. Anger.
The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even if she's dead), or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with himself for letting the event take place, even if, realistically, nothing could have stopped it.

3. Bargaining.
Now the grieving person may make bargains with God, asking, "If I do this, will you take away the loss?"

4. Depression.
The person feels numb, although anger and sadness may remain underneath.

5. Acceptance.
This is when the anger, sadness and mourning have tapered off. The person simply accepts the reality of the loss.


You can see this grieving process play out in one of Ghandi's famous insights


First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.


So here we are discussing the fallacies and hypocrisies of the theater all around us... some people get defensive other deny what you are saying is true... this is where people are at... chained to the floor of the cave. You can't tell them what is outside... they'll immediately think you are crazy and shut down all avenues of communication.

Think of these threads as baby steps for the masses leading to a deeper understanding... as well I think it's safe to say that NWO & 911 forums are more advanced topics/classrooms then politics alone. So in here we are dealing with the ground floor in introducing people to what is really going on.

I hope this clarifies my position and purpose here... and gives others a sense of direction in helping others venture on this road less traveled.



[edit on 1-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]



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