The Mutation of the Neo-Con-Virus

In their latest attempt to realign themselves with all that’s good with America, FOX News has launched a website very similar to the layout of Alex’s Jones’ Infowars. Known as Fox Nation; the most blatant attempt yet at how the Right Wing paradigm is trying to reabsorb all of the elements of conservative society who saw through Bush. The very same “fringe” they were just months ago calling radical, and deserve to be in camps.

Apart from the website, Glenn Beck is now supporting the (Ron Paul) tax parties and Anne Coulter is suddenly throwing her support behind “everything” Ron Paul stood by, showing that the once powerful neo-con cheerleaders are more desperate than ever to get any kind of credibility.

I think it's paramount to our survival and progress, that we keep a very close eye on the evolution of this dis-ease that nearly killed us. You could say that all our attempts in repairing this broken country thus far, is a form of chemotherapy (ie bailouts). The neo-cons have to adapt/change-form to improve their chances to be a contender in the next staged fight/election.

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I wish they stop pissing in our pool !

...and embracing ideals, they had earlier rejected, through psycho-pundants like coulter... which is like taking a #2 in the pool.

A short cut to answer, would be to look at the popularity of Glenn Beck.

Is this politics, pro-wrestling or comedy... maybe a mix of all three? The demographic that is drawn to the likes of Beck, Hannity, O'Reilly & Limbaugh are generally intellectually lazy and are just looking for a good laugh and fight. If you cater to the masses, just like a fast-food chain, your ratings will go through the roof. Most people like junk-food and quick simple fixes to complicated problems.







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Does anyone here know which T.V. station G.E. owns, lol. More often than not people are harping on Rupert and his pet media machine while it seems everyone overlook the fact that one of the most powerful companies in the world owns a t.v. station. Give me a break. Oh know that kook Glen Beck jumping on the A.T.S. bandwagon and thinking outside the box, lol. Besides, everyone has a website now and they operate on web traffic so obviously they are going to promote it, not because they want to warp our minds but because they want to make money. That's cool if you don't like Fox, not everyone cares for them but you know a lot of people do. That is why they are successful and continue to smash the competition in ratings.

I guess its one of those "OCEANA IS AT WAR WITH EURASIA; OCEANA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EURASIA" things.

So here we see the neocons making a seeming 180 and coming sniffing around our lovable lunatic fringe, the home turf many of us have staunchly defended from the same neocon scum at risk to liberty, reputation and (sometimes even) bodily integrity over the past decade. First the bastids wanna beat us; now it looks like they wanna join us.

Actually, this is not the first 180 for this crowd. During the Clinton years, the same disreputable crew went under the rubric of "Libertarianism" in numerous online pigfights of the 90s...yes, hard as it is to imagine, the same crowd that has spent the Bush years bellowing about the need for the "war in eye-rack" and the "war on terra" were, a scant few months before 9-11 spun them around, the same gang that spent the 90s howling about "Janet Reno's jackbooted thugs" and the "Clinton threat to liberty" and so forth.

It just goes to show that ideological position is NOT what motiviates these people, as much as they seem to define themselves by pure ideology. Rather, they move like a school of minnows, sharply banking and swooping this way and that, with the prime directives being A) to stay with the herd and B) to get as close to the middle of the herd as possible. Conversely, those of us who DON'T define ourselves by ideology and claim to use our common sense and intellect in sniffing out the turf often end up having more cogent and well-defined ideological track records over the long term.

Color me unimpressed.

Silent Thunder, Hkt.B

Maybe it's just me but i can't help but see Bobby Jindal and Michael Steele as part of this PR campaign game plan. A push to change the face of the party?

Dear Neo-Conservatives:

What, do you think that you can win the libertarians back by talking up Ron Paul? Half of us voted for Obama, because we so detest the hypocritical big-spending and war-mongering of the Neo-Cons. And when I say that we voted Obama, I'm not talking about "a vote for Paul/Baldwin/whoever is a vote for Obama." No, we eliminated the middle-man and voted for Obama. We would rather have 30 years of Democrats than another four years of a Neo-Conservative President. NeoCons: It was a vote against your bankrupt policy ideas.

Now, you guys can act like Ron Paul is your ideal candidate. You can interview him, give him a platform to speak, and act like you wish you hadn't thrown him under the bus during the primaries. That's fine. He won't embrace you; and if he does, we won't hesitate to bail on him. You scare us and we want nothing to do with you. We may rejoin the Republicans, but only after every one of you has been voted out of office and blacklisted by the MSM. You disgust us. It's over, between us. We've broken up with you, even though it meant leaving the Republican party, and we will never again stay in the same house as you.

Signed,

A libertarian (small "L")

PS: Stop trying to take credit for the Tea Parties.

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I suppose it's only natural that out of complete utter desperation an organization will go to any lengths possible to insure it's survival.

Which we can see in this case entails a great deal of plagiarism.

Sad, lame, pathetic and they need to be called on it... no place of cover/shelter should be allowed for these monsters to hide or have a disguise. Assuming the country still exists, our greatgreatgrandchildren will be paying for the crapped they pulled. This den of thieves has to be completely eradicated.

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Are people even watching what is occurring in the govt right now? It is as liberal as possible and they are taking over car companies, banks, aligning our country with communist dictatorships, printing money til the printing press dies from exhaustion, going after guns and ammo, adding anyone who doesn't agree with socialist ideas to a terrorist watchlist, and the latest atrocity was signing in a mandatory govt service law. Hellooooooooooooooooo why are you still harping on "neo-cons"? Please wake up soon. While you're campaigning against Fox News the current govt is destroying the country.

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A tad too paranoid for my taste but you have a valid point. I'm not happy with the over all direction we appear to be heading, but it's a hell of a lot better then where we were heading. At the same time it's important to note why we are in this situation in the first place. Which leads me to see that there are some significant tag-team efforts taking place between the prior and current cabinet... in service to the Federal Reserve, the central puppet masters, source of the majority of this mess.

Is there actually a conspiracy in all this mess somewhere or is this just a politicial baiting thread? Or is it a jealousy thread? FOX is #1 in cable news because they are brilliant marketers whereas MSNBC and CNN are just shrill.

So .. where's the conspiracy?

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The situation we are in might be a little better, but not a whole lot, can that be attributed to the new administration?

I would say yes, but then I am reminded that anytime the current administration does something wrong and people critize Obama we are told it is to early in his presidency to judge him.

So if I cannot judge his defeats or bad policies this early then I would have to treat his victories and good policies with the same patience.

Is our sitiuation a hell of alot better now then it was last year because of the current administration? I can't tell you. Ask me in 2 years.


On topic.

The Republican party realized it was going to have to make a drastic change. The Dems, Repubs, the independants and the sweet old lady next door new this. If they stayed with the same politcs and people then they would be ridiculed. Now that they have changed they are being accused of trying to con the public.

I don't get it are you honestly upset over the change or are you a liberal who will not vote for a republican no matter who is running as your party canidate? Are you such a liberal that you will trash the Republicans no matter what they do?

Originally posted by dooper

One other reason they dominate could be that the bulk of Liberals are uneducated, or out selling crack instead of watching CNN, MSNBC, or CBS.

Out selling crack? Seriously?
Thats like me saying conservatives in the heartland are too busy smoking meth to watch anything else besides Fox News because it would be too cerebral.

Both statements would be completely unfair and baseless.

Lets not forget the Fox News viewers-being the least informed- study....

people-press.org...

Discussed here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

But enough Fox News bashing.

P.S- I am amused however to see Ann Coulter is only now allowed on "Red Eye" at 3am it seems....

It all boils down to "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Liberals during the Bush years would welcome any dissent from Libertarians (and eventually registed 'Pubs) to serve their purposes. The NeoCons are using the Libertarians and more so their views to create the outcome they desire. However, the complete hypocrisy from the NeoCons (especially with the support of Ron Paul, and initial lack thereof) its blinding to anyone who keeps at least one eye open.

Its like us supporting Batista or Bin Laden. We consider them the lesser of two evils...just how the neo-cons are using the libertarians in that regard.

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oh i see how this arena/forum of discussion works... pick a side and stick to it? No i'd rather pick principles over party. If i had my way i would have had a mix of paul, nader & gravel's ideals... could see anyone of them out perform obama... but since we are only given the candidates that they want us to pick from, what other choice did we have? mccain/palin? ...the joke is on us.

As for the unspoken forbidden rule that "you can't step on obama's toes because he's new" argument... i find this almost as flawed as the pretense that we may not cross bush during a time of "war". Now that we realize that the "war" was bullocks, can we now string up Bush & Co by the toes and tickle them to death? (edited to avoid being labeled a "terrorist"). These guys made Nixon look like an alter boy... they should have walked the hall of shame a long time ago... But Nooooooooo (with steve martin's inflection) they are free to further make bank on their connections and notoriety ... book deals, tv/radio-show interviews, lecture circuit, privy business deals behind closed doors etc

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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Is there actually a conspiracy in all this mess somewhere or is this just a politicial baiting thread? Or is it a jealousy thread? FOX is #1 in cable news because they are brilliant marketers whereas MSNBC and CNN are just shrill.

So .. where's the conspiracy?

Conspiracy? Yes... without a doubt, look at all the garbage we are feed daily by the mass media. No wonder we don't know left from right or up from down.

What part of this knuckle head "show" makes any sense to you?
Having such disinfo paraded around as something legitimate makes me want to

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I take it you voted for Ron Paul.

You take the time to argue against one political party but leave the other one alone. That confuses me. If you are an independant like you suggest then you would definatly have a problem with the job President Obama is doing.

Yet you choose to ignore the obvious flaws with both parties and start a thread about the least popular one, while praising the job Obama is doing. That shows that you are more of a liberal then you might have realized.

The Republican party has started to morph itself more along the lines of the independant way of thinking. Since you feel you are an Independant you find this startling and you find yourself trying to avoid anything that might tie you to the Republicans.

I find it funny that you put in parenthisis that you edited what you said about former President Bush and CO so you would not be labeled a terroist when our current Administration hit the ground running with calling citizens un American.

While it is easy to pick on the most unpopular party you should really step back and realize that both major parties are the same with differant names. They both deserve scrutiny.

Unless of course you are just looking for stars and flags so you can gain more points. If thats the case keep on the Republican bashing, it is a sure way to reach that goal.

Last question.

You said you rather pick principles over party. What priniciples has President Obama shown that makes you feel he is better for the job over McCain?

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Since you apparently are obsessed with labels... with who's side someone is taking and/or singling out... here's a label to make you feel at ease... i'll tattoo it to my forehead for you... "INDEPENDENT".

There is no need to read between the lines and draw assumptions. I made myself perfectly clear with no ulterior motives to hide. The neo-cons are shape-shifting snakes, my motive with this thread was to monitor their change of camouflage. What shades of skin they shed and which new skins they display.

Both parties are more or less one and the same... they work for the same set of masters. This is no democracy... it's a plutocracy.


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Originally posted by The All Seeing I
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Since you apparently are obsessed with labels... with who's side someone is taking and/or singling out... here's a label to make you feel at ease... i'll tattoo it to my forehead for you... "INDEPENDENT".

There is no need to read between the lines and draw assumptions. I made myself perfectly clear with no ulterior motives to hide. The neo-cons are shape-shifting snakes, my motive with this thread was to monitor their change of camouflage.

Both parties are more or less one and the same... they work for the same set of masters. This is no democracy... it's a plutocracy.

No need to tattoo it. I had already figured it out as my post above shows. I see though you stopped reading most of my post before you replied to me, so I ask that you reread my post and reply to the other 95% of it.