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Originally posted by teapot
Satan is a liar. He sends his minions into the congregations of God and tells them that hell does not exist.
Originally posted by Welfhard
I always thought it odd that the bible referred to Hades, a Greek mythical underworld. I wondered if there was the River Styx as well, where you'd need to pay the toll to the ferrie. I also wondered if by default there was a Mount Olympus by default too. It was all very strange.
If Hades existed, should Pluto not also exist?
Anywho, for thing thought provoking OP, S & F.
[edit on 21-4-2009 by Welfhard]
Your logic is sound! Until you throw free will into the equation.
Originally posted by badmedia
Good thread, you got the rare star and flag from me. I only give out maybe a few a month, so that is saying something.
It all pretty much agrees with my understanding, and I don't find it disagreeable at all. Those things make alot more sense than "hell".
Personally, I think we are in "hell" now, as the church describes it anyway. We suffer from our sins now, and suffer in a world full of sin. Satan is the prince/ruler of this world and so forth. All the things you find about hell I see on earth in certain places etc.
The only thing I can think of is that none of the places people go are actual "places". When you are unconscious, then you are no where, non existent as a soul and so forth. This is somewhat highlighted in Job where is says "remember me then". Because without getting in too long of a post, we are basically just "thoughts" of the father, "what ifs" and so forth.
Also, when it says comes to the graves and they rise etc, and then if they reject god after that, then 2nd death. I can explain this. What happens is they are risen up and when they are risen up they will that time know the truth and have understanding. People today live in darkness and without understanding on this earth, so they are excused(gotta learn and experience this evil to gain knowledge). If at that point you reject things, then you are just plain "wicked". Then you've gone from being ignorant and blind, to just being ignorant.
This is why Jesus says blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. When they are risen from the grave, then they will know the truth, and they will accept it and not reject the father. Only those who know the truth and reject it(wicked) need to worry.
As well, all things of the father will return. ALL things. That means all our souls and so forth. When it talks about being the grave and not wisdom and such not being present, it's because god is no longer present in them(god within us is what gives us those things). When the soul dies, it just means you have been absorbed by the father, where as the living soul maintains it's individuality(although eventually even those will return to the father, another topic tho).
People that believe in hell have to get to grips with the fact that if it were real, it would have to be created by their god. As their god created it, then this implies the possibility of an outcome that god had not predicted and if that is the case then yes that could be called free will but would negate the omniscience of their god.
Originally posted by teapot
reply to post by moocowman
Atheists and JW's both promoting the idea that separation from God does not exist!