Originally posted by Locoman8
reply to post by Imago Dei
Half of ATS is full of misinformation and lies but there's enough of a convincing argument to keep it going. Take the UFO forums for instance. How is it real if the things haven't come down and been caught on network television abducting people? Well, some are convinced enough by a little white dot moving across the sky. The bible, due to a wide variety of translations and mistranslations, can become whatever you want it to become with the right twisting of the words. The topic is debated. Simple as that. As far as the OP goes, he gave a literal meaning of things. Simple concept of what words mean. Hebrew sheol, Greek hades both mean death or grave. All bibles with the word "hell" in place of these two words should replace the pagan word "hell" with proper english translations. Greek tartarus should translate to "prison" or "abyss" as proper english translations. Greek Gehenna should translate "valley of Hinnom" or "refuse pile" for english translation. The Lake of Fire is mentioned by name as the "lake of fire" or "second death." Easy as that. No need for the word "hell." You take this word out of the bible and put in the right english replacements for the hebrew and greek, you get an entirely different outlook... even from your point of view. How is that worthy of being trashed as a plausable thread with undeniable evidence?
I have a copy of the new testament translated into English. Im not sure if you know this, or to clarify, accept that the original Hebrew and Greek texts are divinely inspired by God, there is a mathmatical pattern through every book and chapter that has been irrefutebaly proven. If you change one word and its meaning you prevert the whole thing, and God warned severly against doing this.
Ivan Panin made this discovery, He states that he Old testament is quite well pereserved in the English translation, and he spent 50 years of his life restoring the English translation of teh NEw Testament to an exact translation of the original Greek. I know how to read in English and I know what words mean in English, I dont have to refer to the greek and hebrew (although I do have a concordance and do so from time to time). I am losing nothing of the meaning reading the english. I have refuted earlier in this thread how anniahlists use greek and hebrew words to push their distorted beliefs.
Try reading my refuteation some time. At the very least you need to be informed why people do not accept what you believe, because there are people who are well informed as to why you wrongly believe what you believe, they know why you believe it based solely on what you have been taught, and they abley refute it, and when people ignore it, then the only thing left to do is mock you in your mockery of the word of God. Im not saying God would necessarily condone that, but he does say God will not be mocked and he does say he laughs at your calamity.
And I tire with petty insult and innuendo from the knockers, so I am simply joining in with the same nonsense. This thread has never been a reasoned discussion on scripure, it has been an us verses them mentality from start to finish, and that was it's intent.
I'm dissapointed the original poster didnt have the honestly to state that he is a Jehovahs Witness though. Instead he cloaks his beliefs and uses them to invent a non existent conspiracy against true believers of the word of God, AKA Christians. There's your conspriacy folks, Be warned when they come a knocking on your door in the near future, and don't even enter into a discussion with them.
[edit on 29-6-2009 by Imago Dei]
