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Man Sticks Up For His Constitutional Rights At An Internal Checkpoint In The U.S.

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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Man Sticks Up For His Constitutional Rights At An Internal Checkpoint In The U.S.


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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - 4th amendment of the US Constitution

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(5:35) Agent whips out his nun chucks in anger
(7:45-8:00) The agent tells me in less than perfect English, "In the Border Patrol Checkpoint, the person's rights doesn't m
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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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Very interesting,

"...Anything outside of the norm, couldn't that be consider suspicious?"

"you are not acting in a normal fashion, so that is suspicious..."

Says the the border agent.

This is pretty amazing how agitated everyone is right now in general. Not to mention this is a great example of how our rights as US citizens have been reduced by implication not indoctrination.

And seriously...Nun Chucks?! Geez, who does that massive dude think he is, Bruce Lee?

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[edit on 21-4-2009 by Shakesbeer]



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:07 PM
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And before everyone starts crying poor cops...the basis of their argument for "suspicion" constituted an arbitrary perception of "normal" based solely on the discretion of the officers involved. Wow: Everyone should realize that this is not good and is a direct reflection of the paranoia rampantly purveyed through society (especially through major media). Yes there are real threats out there, but keep in mind, violence be gets violence; and most of the "terrorists" in question the US trained at one time or another (officially or not).

Which is equally disturbing that these agents where fairly quick to throw the "T" word at this guy. For what? The agents' own power trip and absolutely nothing else.

But-but-but...he might have had a bomb/drugs/weapons/illegal aliens in the car! Says the crudulous.

Name me the last terror attack that is NOT suspect to conspiracy beyond the official story? Where are those alleged guns coming from and why? What the hell good has the "war on drugs" done save for put those very agents at risk like they stated at the end of the vid?

WAKE UP!....

It's time to stand up for your rights. If you are to say you are loyal to the ideals that held America together(yes we know no one is perfect), stand your ground, know your rights...and record them as much as they record us.

They obviously can't stand to see themselves in the proverbial mirror.




posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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Hi there Shakesbeer .

This story was already featured on ATS a few days ago .



There is another where he is giving an account of being beaten at a check point ...
Have a search for something with " Pastor" in the title , for that one.


Hope this is of some assistance .


ATS thread

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Yeah I heard about the pastor too, and I can't see why this shouldn't be in the alternative news as this needs to be seen by more then just those looking into the NWO. Especially considering the Alt news forum is one of the best consolidation spots to quick scan what is going in the world, it would be a shame if this was just dismissed by many because they don't frequent the NWO forum.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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The same pastor who was beaten by border patrol recently is the same guy from the OP. Here is his interview of that incident and him confirming he is the guy in the 1st video too:

Part 1:


Part 2:


Part 3:


This really sucks...no other way to put it really.

I guess this is kind of "Terrorist" Janet Napolitano was talking about when she said veterans, constitutionalists, & gun owners are all suspected terrorist...


But at least this is descent from some people (for whatever reason) on "The Hill" too.

And some good news, The Supreme Court decided to give us back part of our rights again. Or rather took away police's implied right to search whoever they want:

Supreme Court scales back police right to search cars

Talk about this with people you know, it's the least you can do.



posted on Apr, 22 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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Dang, star and flagged.

I can't believe he was allowed to continue. I was about sure one of those armored swat vehicles was about to show up.

One thing is for sure, this guy was very prepared for this confrontation.

He should become a lawyer and argue this point.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:06 AM
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Fantastic! They are not rights unless WE uphold them. The state police didn't come because it's bullcrap. Learn the law and win. Although it didn't last long once they knew his face.

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posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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Well, this has to be one of a few dozen videos I've seen now that prove US rights don't mean anything, we get it, you don't have rights any more in the US, and most Americans don't realize it...

What I'm waiting for is to see the American people do something about it. We can watch videos all day long, nothings gonna change.


We're not going to come to your country to do something about it for you, but we're cheering you on all the same.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:45 AM
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wow.. he really made it. Wonder who was in the other line to let him pass? hehe.
Personally, if I had been one of the officers, I would have concidered him acting strangely and preaching about the law. Who would do that like in a normal situation? but then again.. there's no such thing as 'normal situation' anymore, isn't there.. One by one the countries change into checkpoints and people are being watched in every way and checked out anything that is 'out of normality'.

It sucks big time.. but what can you do about it really? should we all just jump on those officer's faces and mention those rights like that guy did? but sincerely.. those officers were more than patient. They acted very well and didn't loose their calm while he shouted back and cut their speech every once in a while.
I'd be amazingly annoyed by that behaviour.
But ok, the tension is very evident with all parties concerned.. so can't blame on either side for doing what they feel they must do. It's not a b&w -situation. Just glad they solved it without any violence.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 03:31 AM
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Man o man i give this guy BIG high five, he has cohonas like soccerballs but he keeps on his rights and arnt intimidated by a few muscles, i really respect this guy, even thou it properly was intended scene from the start of...

Best regards.

Loke.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Aurorean
Personally, if I had been one of the officers, I would have concidered him acting strangely and preaching about the law. Who would do that like in a normal situation? but then again.. there's no such thing as 'normal situation' anymore, isn't there..

THERE NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE...get that straight. "Normality" in terms of society is as subjective as you can ever get. Not to mention he is a preacher so him preaching about anything is normal to him, and here's the truly disturbing part about your statement: There is nothing wrong with informing cops of your rights. Maybe you've never been harassed by cops before, but it happens, and if you don't know them and express them sometime; they will mess with you.


Originally posted by Aurorean
but sincerely.. those officers were more than patient. They acted very well and didn't loose their calm while he shouted back and cut their speech every once in a while.


Okay seriously, what video where you watching? One agent whips out nun chucks to threaten him after saying "that's it...". Then another one goes as far to call him a terrorist...this white, baptist preacher who had nothing illegal in his car: oh wait! He did have a copy of the constitution...GET HIM!!
So no, I'm sorry, they were NOT patient, that's your ideals viewing the situation through rose-colored glasses.

There was nothing reasonable about this encounter, especially considering their own superiors told them they have better things to do.

Once again... -ahem- WAKE UP AMERICA



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posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 12:42 PM
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If you listen to the interview, he travels from Cali to Arizona regularly for work and encounters this all the time. As he states, this isn't the first time he has gotten sent to secondary inspection for nothing. This seems more like an American citizen doing exactly what the head line says; standing up for his constitutional rights after witnessing blatant violation against himself & fellow Americans for too long.

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posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Aurorean

But ok, the tension is very evident with all parties concerned.. so can't blame on either side for doing what they feel they must do. It's not a b&w -situation. Just glad they solved it without any violence.


This is very much a black and white situation.

The "border patrol" officers (who weren't on a border) decided that the constitution no longer applies when they are in charge. They are wrong.

Black.


The citizen stands up for his constitutional rights, which our ancestors and the founders of this country fought and died for.

White.


How can you be glad it got solved with no violence, when the border patrol threatens him with violence? That's not only wrong, its blatantly illegal. How can you not "blame on either side for doing what they feel they must do", when quite clearly the border patrol agents were acting far outside of their legal rights?



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 01:16 PM
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Beautiful, ha, really, I loved that video, thanks for bringing this to our attention, maybe it will give others the courage to stand up to these authoritarians. Watching this made my day. Spread this one around. And a billion STARS to the dude that captured all this on tape. !!!



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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Those weren't nunchucks that was pulled out. It was those new nightsticks that retract.

It was a checkpoint. You don't drive up to a check point and drive out withut rolling down your window and enteracting with the police or border patrol. If there was not interaction then what would be the point.

He pulled up and was asked if his window rolls down. He said yes but I don't want to roll it down, I can hear you just fine.

That is a little weird. I can understand not wanting his vehicle searched, but is it that big of a deal to just roll your window down?

That gave them suspision to search his car. Which is legal.

He started the whole interaction with an attitude, when none was called for.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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I love this guy and his videos, but this has been discussed in several other threads now. Search is key.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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He came into this looking for a fight. Hence the camera rolling when he pulled up. The ICE agent was just wanting him to roll down his window. He was refusing a lawful order (to roll down his window - not a violation of his rights). He was being hostile from the time the ICE agent walked up, which in conjunction with the refusal to roll the window down could be conceived as acting incredibly suspicious. If he had not refused to roll his window down, there would have been no problem. However, there was no reason for him not to roll it down, and was just asking for an excuse to "exercise his fourth amendment rights."

It's this kind of trivialization of the constitution that makes it hard for people whose rights were actually violated to come forward and be helped.

I lived in Arizona and went through these checkpoints all the time. Never once was I stopped and searched or treated any way but decently.

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posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by jd140


That gave them suspision to search his car. Which is legal.



Actually no, if you watched the video you would understand that according to our laws, border-patrol agents are only allowed to search if they suspect you are violating immigration laws. The man wasn't passing through international borders, so they had no reason to suspect that he was.

Did you notice how they (reluctantly) let him go at the end? They were posturing the whole time. They KNEW that they had no legal right to detain or search him, which is why they had to let him go. They even tried to prevent him from driving off at the end, after admitting they had no right to hold him, by standing in front of his car!

How immature.



posted on Apr, 23 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by jd140
That gave them suspision to search his car. Which is legal.

He started the whole interaction with an attitude, when none was called for.


Given the attitude of the border agents (who aren't cops btw), I would say his attitude was apt, and hence the reason he had the camera; because guess what? He's right! Those agents where straight-up making things up about their percieved authority. What happened when he spit the actual printed laws at them? That's right, they stfu and tried to intimidate him...what does that say?

You appear to be stuck in the exact same paradigm which lead the agent to say "Wouldn't you agree anything outside of the normal could be considered suspicious?" .....NO that doesn't constitute suspicious. That actually makes things easier to spot; exactly the opposite of what someone who is trying to smuggle/infiltrate/etc through one of these checkpoints would want to do. Not to mention as the man stated, his windows where excessively tinted and the inside of his car viewable.

Keep in mind this man is not guilty of a damn thing neither times: And the 2nd time HE WAS BEATEN UP & TASED CONTINUOUSLY for standing up for his rights. Which he is right when saying all we are legally obligated to do as citizens is stop. "Mere suspicion" or "the agents whim" doesn't seem to me to be the highest rule of the land. You're effectively saying that because this agent feels he had "mere suspicion" that he could violate a US Citizen's constitutional rights?

And what WAS his suspicion? Oh yeah....the Baptist Pastor is a terrorist
Only after citing the law & the constitution...GET HIM!!! It's what Janet Napolitano wants!



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