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Originally posted by mike dangerously
.... if anybody is actually brought to trail it will be low level people or at most maybe Alberto Gonzales but I am not holding my breath.
[edit on 033030p://4126 by mike dangerously]
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by guppy
reply to post by platosallegory
Amen. People kick and scream for the torture test no matter how many lives it saves. But if an attack occurs, they will kick and scream why intelligence agencies couldn't stop the attack. What a pack of morons.
This reminds me of Jimmy Carter. The idiot. He did the worse thing ever during his presidency to the intelligence community. Carter passed a bill that requires intelligence agencies have every "asset" pass a background check.
How stupid is that?
I am curious. You mention people wanting the torture techniques to be tested. If you think this torture is ok, would you be willing to submit yourself to this torture test? I bet you wouldnt.
I bet you wouldnt because deep down you know, what good torture does. I bet you wouldnt because you know that torture more often produces a person willing to say ANYTHING just to get them to stop torturing them.
I bet you wouldnt. I wouldnt either because I do understand that torture just doesnt work. It often produces people who will just say anything their captors want to hear, whether it be true or not.
besides, why would you trust what the tortures say anyway? They are essentially saying, yes we tortured them, but I swear it was for good reasons...
That is like when Charles Manson says, "I didnt kill anyone, my people did"
Just give me a break. Torture does more harm than good, and it IS used as a recruting tool for groups such as alquida. They see the stories and say hey I want to stop this torturing machine that is the US and then they strap a bomb to their chest.
Even If this torture stopped one guy, I garuntee you that is a one in a million thing. It has doen more harm than good. and you know it.
So, would you submit yourself to be tortured to see just how effective it really is? If not, why not. And don't say something like "Because I am not a terrorist" because that is NOT what I am asking... Answer the question it is a simple one.
[edit on 21-4-2009 by gimme_some_truth]
Originally posted by peponastick
This thought process is dangerous and immature, and I pray to God this isn't what our (tax supproted) shcool systems our churning out....I say if you have the right intel and there is life saving informaiton to be extracted from these sobs than go get it.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
The Constitution and Bill of Rights should always be observed.
So too should the Geneva conventions.
I wouldn't torture anyone.
Would you torture someone? under what circumstances?
Would the Founding Fathers condone what you condone?
Originally posted by jd140
Torture can be an effictive tool if used properly.
If we have in our custody someone who is known with 100% certaintly that he has info that could save lives and he will not talk. Then yes resorting to waterboarding or other pyscological torture should be used. If we know the gist of what is going on then the info given can be compared to our intelligance and we could know if he is giving accurate info or not. Kind of like at a crime scene. The police release info on a crime, but hold a few important details back so that any info given to them can be screened to see if the info is valid.
Originally posted by Flighty
I'd like the people who are against any form of coersion to please state to us what technique they would use to get a terrorist to spill the info?
The most effective strategies for relationship building are the kind that interrogators used to extract critical information from high-level Japanese and German prisoners during World War II. Interrogators who were familiar with the detainees’ language and culture, and who exhaustively studied each prisoner’s case, used charisma and empathy to patiently elicit vital intelligence. Similarly, it was a relationship-building approach that we used to persuade a detainee to give us information on the whereabouts of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former leader of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia — information that led to his being located and killed in 2006.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Considering they have a right to remain silent; I would ask them.
I would offer them the chance to make a plea bargain.
Then they would get their jury trial for the crime they are being charged with.
*Basically, they would be treated as an American citizen would have been 10 years ago.