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Originally posted by pigwithoutawig
reply to post by platosallegory
Yea, you talk a good game plato but I would like to see if you change your mind if it was done to you or your family. It involves a little more than some water on his head.
Originally posted by guppy
reply to post by platosallegory
Amen. People kick and scream for the torture test no matter how many lives it saves. But if an attack occurs, they will kick and scream why intelligence agencies couldn't stop the attack. What a pack of morons.
This reminds me of Jimmy Carter. The idiot. He did the worse thing ever during his presidency to the intelligence community. Carter passed a bill that requires intelligence agencies have every "asset" pass a background check.
How stupid is that?
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by guppy
reply to post by platosallegory
Amen. People kick and scream for the torture test no matter how many lives it saves. But if an attack occurs, they will kick and scream why intelligence agencies couldn't stop the attack. What a pack of morons.
This reminds me of Jimmy Carter. The idiot. He did the worse thing ever during his presidency to the intelligence community. Carter passed a bill that requires intelligence agencies have every "asset" pass a background check.
How stupid is that?
I am curious. You mention people wanting the torture techniques to be tested. If you think this torture is ok, would you be willing to submit yourself to this torture test? I bet you wouldnt.
Originally posted by Logarock
Why would they tell the public before now?
Anyway watch some You Tube of dozens jumping to their death from the WTC and consider that something like this may have been thwarted with info gained from waterboarding.
Originally posted by Maxmars
Originally posted by Logarock
Why would they tell the public before now?
Anyway watch some You Tube of dozens jumping to their death from the WTC and consider that something like this may have been thwarted with info gained from waterboarding.
Not to be contrary, but why WOULDN'T they?
It would make me feel a bit better about the use of torture if this were true. But I am willing to bet dollars to doughnuts it isn't.
First off, torture is NOT necessary. They HAVE DRUGS THAT WORK 100 TIMES BETTER YOU KNOW.
Second, physical torture is known to be inconclusive. It's mental torture that gets results, and mental torture takes a LOOOONG time to set up.
[edit on 21-4-2009 by Maxmars]
Originally posted by pigwithoutawig
I'd like to see them release transcripts of these interagations. I wonder what they learned waterboarding a guy 183 times. I think he must have had to make up quite a bit of his answers, just to get them to stop.
Originally posted by Grey Magic
It's the same crap as saying there was a lot of evidence that made Iraq capable of wmd use.
I don't care who claims this so even the CIA needs proof.
(not a fabricated lie)
[edit on 21-4-2009 by Grey Magic]
So your telling me putting water on a terrorist head...
Waterboarding is a form of torture[1][2] that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.[3] It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[4][5] politicians, war veterans,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] As early as the Spanish Inquisition it was used for interrogation purposes, to punish and intimidate, and to force confessions.[12]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
Originally posted by guppy
reply to post by yeti101
Turn the table the other way. A [nuclear/biological] attack is about to occur in your town where you family and friends live. The only person in custody who has information that can save the day refuses to cooperate. Why? Because he/she BELIEVE its the right thing to do. Your society is the ENEMY to him/her.
What if your family was kidnapped by known criminals who love to torture and kill their victims? For the next 24 hours, your family will be raped, tortured, and killed. Luckily, the police were able to catch one of the perps. What would you like the cops do?
Utopia is a great place to live in. But that only comes true when 100% of the people have the same views as everyone else. In simplistic terms of reality, there are 3 types of people:
- Sheep
- Wolves
- Shepherd Dogs
Wolves don't care about sheep. To them they are just a meal to savor.
Originally posted by Highground
And the reason we don't use the meds is because of their unreliability, and the fact they could possibly kill someone. I have a feeling this is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't kind of scenario. We get the info using anything other than courtesy and mild manners, it's wrong. We use courtesy and play nice, and we don't get the info, we didn't do enough.
Make up your minds.
[edit on 21-4-2009 by Highground]
Originally posted by miasria
Originally posted by Highground
And the reason we don't use the meds is because of their unreliability, and the fact they could possibly kill someone. I have a feeling this is a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't kind of scenario. We get the info using anything other than courtesy and mild manners, it's wrong. We use courtesy and play nice, and we don't get the info, we didn't do enough.
Make up your minds.
[edit on 21-4-2009 by Highground]
how do you know they don't use meds and other techniques? read up on milabs, mkultra and of sort.
do you think ops like mkultra stopped?
they push the limit on torture and advanced technology at the expense of innocent people.
and to the agents who monitor these boards...
they got it under control....
good greif