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Originally posted by platosallegory
reply to post by argentus
I never said anything about nothingness.
I said that matter doesn't exist absent our perception.
This is what science shows us based on things like the double slit experiment and black hole entropy.
I just want the scientific evidence that matter has an objective existence absent observation.
This should be easy to prove for materialist.
Originally posted by platosallegory
Show me the scientific experiment that proves that matter exists.
Originally posted by Quest
CITATION NEEDED!
Originally posted by platosallegory
Our observation brings matter into existence. This is what's shown by science through things like the double slit experiment.
We don't have any observed evidence that matter can exist absent our observation.
So I want a materialist to scientifically prove that matter exists beyond our perception of it.
[edit on 21-4-2009 by platosallegory]
Originally posted by platosallegory
Scientifically prove that matter has an existence absent of our perception of it.
Originally posted by platosallegory
So far I have not been shown one experiment that concluded matter has an objective existence absent observation.
Many materialist ask for proof that God or the paranormal exist and I thought this would be easy for them to do.
I explained about the double slit and delayed choice experiment and it hasn't been disputed the REPEATED and PUBLISHED test confirm that the observer influences the outcome of events.
I also talked about black hole entropy.
Black hole entropy is the entropy carried by a black hole, etc...
Originally posted by platosallegory
Again, I'm just asking for evidence that matter has an objective existence absent our perception.
Originally posted by DaRAGE
but the observation was not observation. it was interaction. if nothing interacted with it, it would have gone through both slits.