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Originally posted by StellarX
Right, but according to the 'capitalist' system they force down our throats paid work is always more efficient than the community and volunteer work people used to do as part of a community? Why this protestation over the fact that people may now get paid to perform tasks that SHOULD be done but up until this point were unsupported and underfunded?
Originally posted by Jenna
That isn't the issue. The issue, as pointed out multiple times by multiple posters, is that they are wanting to mandate volunteer work which by definition means it is no longer voluntary.
During the draft, service in the military was mandatory for those they told to serve. The people didn't volunteer, they were required to serve.
If they succeed in mandating volunteer work, people will no longer volunteer they will be required to serve.
Originally posted by StellarX
That i am well aware of but perhaps you are not aware that it is already legal ( jury 'duty' readily comes to mind ) and employed by the state in many instances.
Yes, another something that you should know that i know...... As we speak tens of thousands of Americans are serving involuntarty in Iraq so again my question is why there is a such a outrage over the potential for not entirely voluntary community service?
Nonsense. People who wish to serve their community do so to the best of their abilities and getting renumeration for a certain number of those hours will reward their service in a way it never was before.
You will be wasting your time if you wish to convince me that i do not know what the topic under discussion is or what you think it should be.
Originally posted by spinkyboo
The intention might even be a good one -
but the implementation and execution of this is way off base -
Originally posted by Jenna
Yes I am aware of that. I also know that many people get out of jury duty, so they are not actually being forced to serve now are they.
Yes they are, which is something I also strongly disagree with and would like stopped. That is not the topic of this particular thread, however. I pointed out the similarity between this and the draft because some in this thread cannot seem to grasp that being forced to do something takes away the voluntary aspect.
Mandatory civil service is not volunteer work. If it is not ok to be forced into military service, why is it ok to be forced into civil service?
You misunderstood me. I meant the people who are forced to volunteer will no longer be doing so willingly. Not that no one will volunteer.
There is no reason why they could not offer scholarships or some other form of reward without making service to the community mandatory. No reason whatsoever.
There are incentives for "going green", yet it's not mandatory.
There are incentives for volunteering for the military, yet it's not mandatory. Why must this be mandatory for incentives to be offered?
I don't recall doing so. You asked a question, I provided my answer. Yet it's somehow my fault that some posters cannot seem to grasp what it is that many of us are against?
Perhaps if it could be grasped we would no longer be repeating ourselves.