Originally posted by HarlieQuinn
I literally want to bash my head against the wall here in the office I work at. People keep asking why others think voluteering is bad, why community
service is bad?! THOSE THINGS ARE NOT BAD IT'S THE FACT THAT AMERICANS ARE GOING TO BE FORCED TO "VOLUNTEER" TO DO VOLUNTEER WORK
Actually this committee will discuss it but since there are already plenty of other legal loopholes ( and the draft) to conscript American citizens ,
or youth, with this is NOT news as much as it may eventually turn out to be formalization of previous loopholes&laws.
Raven, how dare you call people selfish and lazy when you don't even know them!!!!
How 'dare' you presume that she isn't in fact less lazy and selfish than all the people here who are so desperately afraid of having to do
something that may perhaps not serve them as much as it does others?
You are only 18, most of the people on this website have been through more than you, sacrificed more than you, and worked harder than you
will ever imagine, even with all your volunteer work.
Who's the one presuming facts not in evidence now? Military service ( something the mostly gun wielding American mob on ATS considers 'service' )
is NOT sacrifice or service to one's country when your country is terrorizing completely innocent people in nations that never threatened to or in
fact attacked you. Lets not all jump on the bandwagon and presume what we like.
Get off your stupid high horse and actually read AND COMPREHEND what other are trying to tell you. Everyone is going around in circles trying
to explain this to you but you are too thick headed to understand.
And maybe 'we' understand better than you think and just disagree that this is a subversive plot to completely change the social/economic scene in
the US? In fact i don't think this program can come close to how much damage the military recruiters are doing all over the US in their attempts to
find fresh meat to feed into the ever hungry US armed forces. Lets address the current fires first?
Your smug arrogance will get you nowhere.
Like it didn't get Clinton, Bush and Obama ( and practically ever other politician) into office? 'Smug arrogance' will get you far in this world as
there are hundreds of thousands of honest hard working suckers born every minute for you manipulate or just outright exploit. In fact isn't any such
a problem on her side largely as result of the American educational establishment? Where else would Americans get this high and mighty impression of
themselves and 'their' country?
You think the slaves should have been forced into slavery because it helped farmers with their land and homes? You think because they tried
to get away from "helping" their masters they should have been punished?
This wont be slavery, certainly not yet or any more than being forced to go to school is. I mean did you want to go to school and how much will the
same parents who sent you there mind if you end up having to do community service? This wont be ANYWHERE on the radar of the average American parent
and for good reason. As for people being pressed into slavery as i recall in recent times ( western imperial times) the majority were captured in
tribal warfare here there and everywhere and then 'sold' to slave stations on the coast; if parents refuse to cooperate by sending their children to
school the state will be mostly powerless to stop them.
Give me a break. Yeah you studied all that history and American Government stuff. So did I...in high school, which is where I guess you
learned it to, being 18 and all. That is NOT the greatest place to learn about our history and government.
And just to prove that i in fact like to agree whenever i can so i can not, and thus wont raise, objections here.
A mandatory volunteer bill should never be passed.
"The Army's refusal to release tens of thousands of soldiers who have completed their terms of service amounts to drafting them on the very day
they fulfill their obligations. These men and women have already risked their lives. They should not have to risk them a second time through
involuntary service, through being forced to stay in Iraq. This is a draft. A draft forces people to serve involuntarily."—Dennis Kucinich,
December 31, 2003.
It's already happening in practice and i believe that if we investigate all the bills and ammendments that have been passed in the last eight years
we WILL find material that could be employed to draft Americans for involuntary service far easier. Either way when did they start following the
letter of the law closely enough to require what this bill may eventually lead to in schools?
I am just trying to point out that we can just as well put out the current fires before we create a panic about possible future one's.
When volunteering becomes mandatory it is no longer volunteering, it is slavery, as others have posted. I wish some people would get that
through their thick skulls.
And yet in some of the oldest surviving cultures on earth service to the state and community, when it's required', is not only accepted but accepted
by a a citizenry who have not succumbed to the corporate propaganda that collective action is 'bad' for the society in question. When all members of
society have achieved the capability to cooperate in government and does so actively and without fail the state will be run by the people for the
people. Individual and or independent action is very unlikely to yield anything but massive concentrations of wealth and the resulting power.
[edit on 23-4-2009 by StellarX]