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'America lives in a fascist state' – trend forecaster

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:09 AM
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'America lives in a fascist state' – trend forecaster


waronyou.com

Celente takes an in-depth look at what AIG and Goldman Sachs really are and the people behind them; explains the policies of the Obama’s administration, and the moral basis for a forthcoming new American Revolution.....
G.C.: They know about it, it’s a new trend. America is going from what used to be the major capitalistic country in the world of free market – a crusader – into what Mussolini would have called fascism: the merger of state and corporate powers. So it is not socialism as people believe, it is socialism’s egalitarianism. It’s not communism where the state controls monopolies – it’s fascism, plain and simple. The merger of corporate and government powers. State-controlled capitalism is called fascism, and fascism has come to America in broad daylight.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:09 AM
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Gerald Celente is the founder of the Trends Research Institute. This is about as heavy as when the founder of the Weather Channel spoke out against carbon-caused global warming.

If you haven't been paying attention we've made it pretty close to this fascist state already.
And the sad part is that it happened so slowly and deliberately and under so many people's noses yet right out in the open, so brazenly, so arrogantly. It's like the Tyrant family's perfect storm.

waronyou.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:15 AM
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People who think we're living in a fascist state have never studied one. It's an easy label to fling about, and quite the "alarm word", but rarely true.



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:26 AM
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I like Celente and I do believe in his predictions, not only has he predicted many other things before, but he also seems to have a gut feeling for economical and political trends. His predictions are very possible and likely to happen.

I guess we have to wait and see till they officially declare fascism


Or have they already?!



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:27 AM
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We're not living in it yet, but we are definitely on the course to get there. I truly hope that the revolution coming ends this. Be it violent or nonviolent, I will be there to help get rid of this type of government!



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:29 AM
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i know that it is a "buzz" word, often used by fear-mongerers.
But to be fair, although much of it is not actively in practice at the time being, many of the freedoms that made America great went away when the Patriot Act came to town.
If you break it down strictly to what the government can and can't legally do by the laws of this country, we pretty much DO live in a fascist state, by definition.




CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Link to source of list



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:33 AM
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All of those factors are judged subjectively. So the definition would be subjective. History will make the call one way or the other unless it is openly declared.



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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I think that who ever wrote that list is confused.



Facism is a governmental system led by a dictator or group dedicated to their facist principle, having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism and regimenting all industry and commerce. They believe in a single party state but they may allow the illusion of a multiple party state. Facists reject individualism and instead demand service to the state ... 'for the good of all'. Instead of a free market society, many advocate 'the corporate state'. Nationalization of privately owned businesses ... allegedly for their own good and for the good of the state ... is a hallmark of facism.

More info



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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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over and over and over again.

I am getting to an age where I am beginning to really understand things. What does this mean? this thread with this opinion on it? What does it really mean to reply to it or add your two cents to it? Nothing.. Wasting time.. Look if America is going to become a fascist regime, its going to, I really don't think it will, but it will if that is what is meant to happen. I dunno, I just think the things with meaning, are the things right in front of us. As far as the stature of our President, he is not really strong enough Politically to move us in a fascist direction, after witnessing how he got played in the Latin America, summit, I feel or am beginning to see his lack of game in politics abroad, and with his wife touching the Queen of England, clumsily just adds to the conundrum, I believe we have gotten ourselves into. Yet my opinion about it, does not mean anything really. I'm just saying. I dunno maybe I am just getting old and crotchety.



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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We seem to be missing a number of things that make a true fascist state.


Industries and trusts were not nationalized in Nazi Germany, with the exception of private rail lines (nationalised in the late 1930s to meet military contingencies). The only private holdings that were expropriated were those belonging to Jews. These holdings were then sold or awarded to businessmen who supported the Nazis and satisfied their ethnic and racial policies. Military production and film production remained in the hands of private industries whilst serving the Nazi government, and many private companies flourished during the Nazi period. The Nazis never interfered with the profits made by such large German firms as Krupp, Siemens AG, and IG Farben.

Fascism and ideology
en.wikipedia.org...


Nationalism and opposition to internationalism

Social Darwinism

Indoctrination

Masculine Heroism

Militarism

Discipline

Opposition to homosexuality

Opposition to workers unions and strikes

Opposition to class conflict

We don't have a corporate based legislative house

Strengthening of private property

Opposition to finance capitalism

Social welfare programs that only help the productive

Opposition to democracy

High tariffs on imported goods



No we don't seem to be fascist at all, but we are moving into a evolutionary socialist or social democratic path.



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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The term "fascist state" can not be perfectly defined. It only refers to a country, that may be in many different degrees of fascism.

It is the same with the term "democracy". There are many characteristics of a democracy and many different countries, that have these characteristics in different degrees.

Gerald Celente tried to provoke the people to challenge their views if there may be some characteristics that fit the description "fascist". And if USA or other countries have only some of the characteristics that define fascism, it's worth to think about them.



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Industries and trusts were not nationalized in Nazi Germany,


Yes, however "the corporate state" in Italy was run that way by Mussolini.
He nationalized private companies 'for the good of the state' and he definatley ran the country through facism ... corporately.

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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The Italian government reconstituted a number of companies as Government Linked but did not nationalize them.
Source: Daniel Guérin, Fascism and Big Business, Chapter IX, Fifth section, p.197 in the 1999 Syllepse Editions

Italy, like Germany, was still opposed to internationalism, unions, strikes, class conflict, finance capitalism, and social welfare for the unproductive.

Istituto per la Ricostruzione Industriale

Although set up as a temporary measure, the IRI continued to run for as long Mussolini was in power. It was able to reorganise companies so that production was maintained. The main action of the IRI was to buy shares of failing companies from banks. In 1937 the IRI's powers were extended so that it could nationalise companies, although no effective nationalisation were carried out.

en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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We don't live in a facist nation, but we don't live in a democracy. That's been pretty clear for a long time. Obama officially became president and now it's like some people instantly have a clue.
You may think you're waking up soon after a nightmare, but to the rest of us, you've been asleep for a looong time.



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
We don't live in a facist nation, but we don't live in a democracy. That's been pretty clear for a long time. Obama officially became president and now it's like some people instantly have a clue.
You may think you're waking up soon after a nightmare, but to the rest of us, you've been asleep for a looong time.



Your right we don't live in a democracy and were never intended to.


We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy... It has been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity.

Alexander Hamilton


Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

John Adams


A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

Thomas Jefferson

Sounds real familiar.


The experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.

John Quincy Adams

We are and have always been a Constitutional Federal Republic. We are sliding towards democracy and eventual collapse. The 17th amendment set that in motion by allowing US Senators to be popularly elected and no longer represent the interests of the states in the US Congress.

Now people want to do away with the Electorate. That will insure the transition to mob rule and our eventual downfall.


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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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We are and have always been a Consitutional Federal Republic


Yeah, it's insane to me that people don't see this. It's sad too see so many having something drilled into their head at birth that they just continue believing, despite all pressing evidence.

I don't believe in all the workings of a true democracy, with the issues of majority rule over minorities (as pointed out in your post), but it’s still ridiculous to see the media and politicians and grade school teachers insisting we’re living in a democratic system when we never have been.

Edit: to clarify

[edit on 21-4-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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I think we intended to be a democracy, but once the partied system, reared its ugly head, we lost that virtue, in America. History I don't mind discussing, its just trying to guess the future, that bores me, taking big guesses, and some of the futuristic threads I read are just absurd. If anything the future, that I can see for America, is more taxes, and more social requirements for the PEOPLE. LET ME MAKE MYSELF, CLEAR ON THE TAX PART, not gonna say they will be raised, we'll just get taxed on other things, energy for sure. Something else I am hearing here and there, something about a social responsibility, as in you have to work on community doing community work or what not, or get taxed for not. Something like that.. In addition the democrats the left ones at least have less then 2 years to pass all these new bills or what not. Not much time... Whatever the case I just hope things get better..


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posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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I would disagree. Besides the actual quotes by the founders attesting to only a Republic I would argue that the party system is exactly what lead us down the path towards democracy.

Partisanship lead to the end of states rights, manifesting in the civil war and later lead to the 17th amendment and the clear manifestation of majority tyranny when one party holds power without checks and balances as is the current situation.

The system is supposed to provide a balance to all people not just those who won an election. Winning an election is not supposed to be "I do what I ever I want" or " We won, deal with it". That is democracy. That is mob rule and not what the founders wanted. The Constitution was designed to protect inalienable rights and liberties, but in a democracy the mob determines what rights to give and take.

The very things they, the founders, warned of are taking place right now.



[edit on 21/4/09 by MikeboydUS]



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 12:47 PM
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I think we will have to come up with a new word. Our version of fascist capitalist socialist democratic republic is still fluid, still becoming what it is. It certainly seems that each new president does everything he can to make the office more powerful and consolidate the relationship between government and business. Current white house has taken it to new levels with back door nationalization of the banks in process by converting preferred stock to common stock, choosing to get rid of one CEO and install another in a major auto company and even to have the government guarantee warranties on the cars, borrowing gargantuan amounts of money on the world market and bestowing it on chosen companies and unions. I don't think any of the other fascist countries got there from where we started out so it's hard to know what to call this situation.



posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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I am trying to learn..


Wouldn't a democracy represent a house and congress full of non partied participants? No party? no party lines just individuals listening to debates coming to their own conclusion and voting from their heart not their party lines? isn't that democracy? If that is not a democracy what is that? thats how we started. At least that how i thought we did, it was Washington, who warned us about the partied system.. Didn't he?



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