posted on Apr, 21 2009 @ 06:56 PM
What is observing the vacuum in deepest space?
From where the electrons and sub atomic particles seem to just appear from, from current scientific experiments on earth seem to indicate?
What observes the photon that splits into two in the split experiment, when in fact it is not being observed?
Observation does not create the way things are, it just defines and gives a nudge one way or another as schrondingers cat experiment
Now the question you ask is a deep philosophical concept in both Indian and Buddhist philosophy, and many great Masters of the past have spent their
entire lives trying to figure it out.
Most of the accepted current inner realisations have found that in fact there is a paradox.
The aim of most meditation unlike most people think is not soo much the Subject / Object relationship or single pointed on one thing, but just being
mindful of things. Being aware in the now, and not focusing on any one thing, like watching thoughts and then focusing intently on them, or pushing
them away. Just to watch them, be aware of them, but have not aversion, or attachment to them.
This is Shinay in Tibetan Meditation, and really the best type of meditation you can do.
If you do this or, further subject object meditation or single pointed concentration, the great paradox lies in the following, and like the chicken
and egg, or light and dark questions means that the question you ask can never really be answered if you look at it logically and closely,properly.
Who Observes the Observer when you meditate?
Who Observes the looker when you focus on an image?
If you take many modern false beliefs and lack of understanding of Quantum Mechanics, where the Meme is it says that if something is not observed it
does not exist, then the observer could never exist in the first place!
It would be impossible to meditate, as no one can observe themselves observing!
You could maybe say that the universal subconscious mind is observring the observer, or the observed knows it is being watched and observed, and like
the Goethe philosophy, " if you look into the Abyss long enough it stares back", so looks back, is aware of the observer.....
However until it is observed that would be impossible, so we all know that there is a casual time frame whereby in observation, like in meditation
before the Shinay wide awareness of all, or more focused or observation Subject Object practise there is not a immediate focusing, so how could the
observer grasp anything to observe before it was fixed into being by being observed in the first place?
You cannot watch yourself observe, the observed has to exist before it is actually observed, even if in only a "possibilty" of location, or
reference, however it is still there, or the potential of its manifestation is still there before being observed. Otherwise it could as showed never
in the first place be observed. And further as shown the Observer has to exist previous to that without being observed by anything else, in
This is a real problem of the mainstreaming of Quantum understanding, and is used to by many to postulate lots of nonsense about the way the universe
is, and our experience and relationship to it, in our consciousness.
To surmise, the Observer independently of ever being observed first by any other observer becomes aware of something before it is actually observed
Therefore the phenomina observed exists independently(of the observer) and prior to being observed, even if in a different state/way/ etc before being
The Observer can never truly observe itself observing.
Observers therefore would cease to exist before the phenomina is observed is they are doing so in isolation, and independently.
HOWEVER, this also is backwards and not true, because as non locality proves, and Emptiness in Buddhist philosophy and experiences shows or "One
taste" everything in the universe that is observed and observes is actually linked together beyond the notions of both TIME and SPACE.
So it appears in finality that we are just parts of a whole observing itself from different points of view, part of the one great mind, and as said
already by another poster, like the cells in a body, who are aware of the body, their environment, and are affected by, and affect it also, but
unaware that they are within this body, so likewise our consciousness is part of the universal mind, but unaware of being so.
So all things are always being observed really, by the universe they co habitate, and all are part of the same thing and not seperate.
All these things can observe other parts of this system, and doing so does indeed seem to affect the outcome of how and where these other parts of the
As a very wise Indian sage once said, "It is all the dream of God"