Originally posted by octotom
No, the commandment is do not murber, not kill. When the translators of the King James Version translated that word, it was translated incorrectly.
Killing someone in war is not an act of murder.
Vengence is mine sayeth the lord. You are never justified, if you kill then you have murdered.
A little judgmental are we? How about "judge not unless you be judged"? While I believe that most of what you seem to believe, badmedia, is wrong,
I'm not going around saying that your in "Satan's synagogue" or bring into questioning your salvation. This whole argument that you always bring
up about Christians being of the synagogue of Satan is ridiculous. First, Christians aren't claiming to be Jews, as the verse literally says.
Second, the church that Christ was talking to in that letter was under persecution by Jews--Jews that were trying to kill them because they were
followers of Christ but yet said they were doing God's will.
If I judged you, then you would be recieving punishment. Kind of funny an opinion is not even allowed and you call it "being judged" and yet you
are free to tell people they are going to hell, or should be killed or that you are justified in killing them, yet I guess that isn't "judging
them". But please, continue on about how I am judging you, but you aren't when you support a path of death and destruction.
If you agreed with me, then you would call it bearing "witness", but since you do not agree, it's called "judging". Although I have not
punished anyone at all, or done anything other than give my opinion.
As for the jews part, this just goes to show WHY you don't follow Jesus and why you don't understand him. If you followed Jesus then you were
called a JEW. There was no such thing as christians in that time because Christianity is a NEW religion, with it's NEW testament, and it's NEW
leaders. So while the verse may literally say "Jews", you are considered a "Jew". That you would even think it only literally means "jews"
is just a sign of ignorance on the topic.
In fact, the ONLY place you even see the word christian mentioned are in the books that came long after the death of Jesus.
www.biblegateway.com...
Number of times Jesus says the word Christian:
0
No, I do believe Jesus when he said to not fear those who have power to kill the body. I'm not afraid of that. Saying that I believe that some wars
are justified doesn't mean that I'm a trying to "save myself". You're putting words into my mouth and adding your own thoughts into what I
say.
No, you are trying to have your cake and eat it to. You do such things to save yourself and now when called on it, you say other things. There is
NO justification EVER. NONE. ZERO. There is nothing you can say that changes that either.
What war would Jesus support?
I'd put my money on WW2. That little war that the Allies had to go in and fight that ended up saving the Jews from being exterminated. The Jews are
God's chosen people after all. If God's promises to them aren't fulfilled, then God's a liar and Satan wins.
Let me get this straight. Jesus(god) does absolutely nothing to stop his own death, does absolutely nothing to save himself, says he is the way and
tells people to follow his example. And from that example you came up with that sometimes it's ok to save yourself?
And you don't know what god promised anyone, and that stuff about satan wins has got to be just plain out ignorant. Satan wins based on the ACTIONS
of the people. Because of people like YOU who walk a path of death and destruction.
Plus, the holocaust did happen. So I guess in your opinion Satan won because the promise was broken to each and every one of those "jews" who died
there.
But please, continue on about how you must kill and do things against what Jesus said
I never said to go against what Jesus said. Defending one's self isn't a sin either. If I came up from behind you and popped you on the side of
your head, are you telling me that you're not going to stand up for yourself?
I never said that we must go out and kill. But, I did say that as the end draws closer, violence will ratchet up and people shouldn't be surprised
or expect a peaceful Earth before Christ returns to reign.
You support wars, then you support death and destruction. I'm pretty sure it was "blessed are the peacemakers", not "blessed are those who go
around and kill, but not murder, others in my name.
If I will know them by their fruits, then you are rotten. I look at your way, and all I see is hypocrisy, death and destruction. It is because of
people like you that people drop religion as a whole, because they can see those same fruits too.
I guess when Jesus said
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;
because I go unto my Father.
He meant everyone but you and modern day "christians", who are in no way the same as those who Jesus called Jews?
Or am I being judgmental because for sticking up and pointing out you do the opposite of what Jesus says?
As for the violence getting bigger. HMMMM, do you think it might be because of
people who support it?
[edit on 21-4-2009 by badmedia]
