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Religion has conditioned us that a one world government is bad

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posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Religion has conditioned us that a one world government is bad, But is it?

When we watch shows like Star Trek a one world government is a good thing as we pull all our resources and our collective energies into our collective goals, there is no division between race, religion, or culture, because we cease to be Americans or Brits, or Chinese and we will become just humans or Earthlings.

I was raised to believe that a one world government would be bad because it would be the anti-Christ that will rule this world and that soon after this rule our world as we know it will end. Now after years of study, research and discussions it seems to me that this is the old way of thinking and has it's roots in racism and even nationalism.

What say you?




posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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I am not religous and do not believe in the antichrist. I am all for an united world without pointless division as race, religion and culture. But a world spanning government would be problematic. Too much power woth too few people. Too much beuraucracy. A world united without a centralised government, preferably with none at all, that's more to my liking.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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Religion already rules the world...

One world government is in that matter competing force and therefore DANGEROUS.

World religions always fought this and always will...

Christianity, for example, very conveniently "predicted" it's greatest enemy in the Bible to make sure that we stay divided.

Because, indeed, divided we fall



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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I do see your point, but I feel a simplified type of republic form of government with the checks and balances intact. No special interest groups, or lobby groups aloud no religious or race based groups allowed. The same structure of government at the local, state, continent and the last would be the global level. All would be required to vote, voting would be easy and groups would be set up to make sure the voting would be fair for all. I would also outlaw political parties, it's been proven they do not serve us or all the people.

just a few ideas here.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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To my knowledge, Christianity is the only religion that mentions anything about a one world government. That being the case, since most of the world isn't Christian, religion only couldn't have made people think that a one world government would be bad. The most likely reason is that, as an earlier poster stated, people don't/didn't want the power to be concentrated too much. In fact, you can kinda see a "mirco" example of that in the way the Founding Fathers structured the US government. They spread the power out in the hopes that no one entity or state would be too powerful. That's also one fo the reasons that the national capital got it's own territory instead of just being in one state--they didn't want any state to be viewed as having too much power [it was even put in the middle of what was then the country so that no one region would be viewed as having too much power!] I'm going off on rabbit trails. Point is, a one world centralized government would be too powerful and would eventually lead to no good.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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I say it is good as long as it is the people in control of their own destiny and not under the fist of a few ruling elite. Nationalistic and race issues have to work themselves out in a localized context first.

I already know a world democracy is the real goal (read: self-nations), a republic one of the stages.

The religious factions have presented only one side of the issue to negatively polarize the population against the idea.

This may in fact be deliberate and the next step is to take the negative side and polarize it positively. Becoming highly negative increases one's susceptibility to influence by those more positively polarized. I would not be surprised if even most of the disseminations of negative views are done by those involved in the work precisely to facilitate that aim. Some are on the good side playing the dark side and some are on the dark side being used to help build foundations.

If you are a student of the knowledge in play, what I just said will make perfect sense.

Perhaps you are starting that stage now? Things are moving faster than I expected expected if so.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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To go along with what EnlightenUp said, there's nothing a Global Government can do about racial issues. Until you can figure that out, there is no practical point to have a singular government over all people.

It's one thing to wish for a Utopian society and another to welcome a single government. There are not the same and really not even similar.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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You know I see both your points and there are other issues that would need to be resolved or dealt with first, like drug use, abortion, and what goes into the history and science books. The religious group together and lobby there beliefs into the school texts, so what to do about that?

As for individual rights, the world constitution could line them all out very simple like, but that will not due, because of the religious groups that wish to dictate how you should live. But on the bright side, massive groups of these religious groups both in the USA or the middle east just would not have the numbers to force there agendas against the rest of the world in voting situations. People should have the right to practice their religions but not the right to force all to conform to there beliefs.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by WickettheRabbit
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To go along with what EnlightenUp said, there's nothing a Global Government can do about racial issues. Until you can figure that out, there is no practical point to have a singular government over all people.


In order to forced the isssues to be addressed and dealt with, the pot has to be stirred just enough rather than allowing things to continue as they are with it just under everyone's radar.

Another thing that is amusing to see is Pat Robertson teaching Rosicrucianism on The 700 Club and noone batting an eyelash because it is disguised in Jesus's teachings.

I think the Catholic Church will take this tack soon and probably already are in small ways. Still, occasionally they will have to say something idiotic like "condoms will spead aids" in order to maintain their facade until the time is right.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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I was not conditioned against one world government, and yet i think that it is going to be worse then now. Star trek is a TV show. This is life with its corruption,interests,lobbies and such. So think of it all - now in global size. Corruption XXL.
And as far as :



we pull all our resources and our collective energies into our collective goals, there is no division between race, religion, or culture


goes, add "no division between classes" and you got Communism that used the same great ideals but achieved the contrary. I do not like/fear idea of one world government, but i am going to be scared to the bone if it would declare those ideals as a goal. Because once you make goal attractive enough - you can start forcing others making bigger and bigger sacrifices for brighter future that will nether come.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
This is life with its corruption,interests,lobbies and such. So think of it all - now in global size. Corruption XXL.


Since the people performing the work are in fact perfectibilists, it is abundantly clear they believe that humanity can overcome flaws like these.


goes, add "no division between classes" and you got Communism that used the same great ideals but achieved the contrary. I do not like/fear idea of one world government, but i am going to be scared to the bone if it would declare those ideals as a goal.


Are you saying you want a classed society? Does this benefit you in any particular way? Is equality synonymous with lack of individual merit? No.

If you view humanity as a unified entity, you shouldn't be so aghast at te idea of giving since it is like giving to yourself. If you view it as each person for themselves, I can see where the fear creeps in as you view things as scarce rather than abundant-- you believe that to give to yourself, you have to deny another.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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Not having one world government might stop advanced Aliens from controlling the whole planet all in one go.

Or it may lead the Devil to take control as prophecised.

Because of diversity in our personalities through dna and race we are not compatible with one another through our sinful nature to even get on anyway and could lead to world wars when doing so before we even reach that capcity to unite under one rule. That dream may spell our own end once all the major ideologies start to go against each other. It may wipe us out before it even unites and thats just trying to do a good thing.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:23 PM
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I can see where the fear creeps in as you view things as scarce rather than abundant-- you believe that to give to yourself, you have to deny another.

I do not fear the ideals that are used as a carrot. But the stick associated with it...
Ideals are fine, it is just that they will be used only to "get job done". I look at fine example of what happened last time when those great and noble words where thrown around freely. Bloody revolution, ending the oppression,removing classes and religions - ended up in oppressed society with different classes and different religion (with idol still lying mummified in the capital to this day). And simple people who lived bad under monarchy ended up living the same or usually worse under this new idealistic system.
I do not trust revolutionary ideals. We are what we are. There are no magical shortcuts to better society unless we all (or group large enough) will reach this level of understanding. And i see no dramatic change between us now and people in the 19th century. Of course we came long way from Greek city states and tyranny. Like - couple of meters in the right direction. Collectivism - if it is the right direction for us at all - is miles away.

[edit on 20-4-2009 by ZeroKnowledge]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
As for individual rights, the world constitution could line them all out very simple like, but that will not due, because of the religious groups that wish to dictate how you should live. But on the bright side, massive groups of these religious groups both in the USA or the middle east just would not have the numbers to force there agendas against the rest of the world in voting situations. People should have the right to practice their religions but not the right to force all to conform to there beliefs.


Where does this come from? The only people that have ever attempted to dictate how I live are liberal socialist types. By making sure that I can't possibly be dampening someone else's "rights", my rights are removed from me. The correction is never ending and conformity wins.

This aggression will not stand, man.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:31 PM
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Whole debate nullified in 5. 4. 3. 2. 1.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:38 PM
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I would say NO to a Central Global Government. However I would accept a global underlying system, but not a global overlying system. I would like to avoid tyranny thank you very much. Such systems can be created and those kinds of ideas will become much more popular as the system we are in starts to go rotten for everyone.

Anyways thats my reply.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by king9072
Whole debate nullified in 5. 4. 3. 2. 1.

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.



And how is it any different than what we have now? We are approaching a complete police state, many will say we are already here.

I never said it would be easy, but we as a whole have learned enough about government that we could come up with a system that works, but religious groups would be the main ones to try to mess it up, or to force there beliefs into it or to force there authoritarian social ideas into it.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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A friend of mine lived for a time in both Norway and the Soviet Union and while one shared bounty, the other shared misery. They aren't even comparable. One was somewhat heavenly and the other quite hellish.

The perfectibilist ideals really are more libertarian and a bit left than it is social darwinist, socialist or authoritarian. The ultimate goals for a utopia are even a bit anarchist.

It's just that removing impediments to development is the way rather than simply equalizing the misery-- which ends up being very unequal since there is inevitably a party elite.

The truely enlightened inviduals that may have their hidden hand in things now will likely step down when the time is right.

The problem is the volatility of the philosophy. It can be used very well or very poorly, for good or evil, to unify or to rule, to free or oppress. The power to tip the balance is in the hands of the earth citizens. Noone can rule over anyone in this plane without others complicit in their actions.

[edit on 4/20/2009 by EnlightenUp]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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I think it's a serious problem that people believe a "World Government" is the issue to be immediately concerned with.

The fear in the present is that multiple countries' governments are pushing for a Global Central Bank. One that can reach across borders and regulate economies. They will not answer to voters, and they will promote internally.

Every country in desire of this already has a central bank that loans money to its government on interest, effectively putting the central bank in control of the Government.

The kind of international legislation that went on at the recent G20 is making a Global Central bank official.


The Problem is: No one wants to talk about real economic and electoral reform, we need both to put power back in the hands of people. Every one wants to rant on and on about the NWO and Sumerian Reptile Shape-shifters and FEMA camps and Death-squads.

We aren't paying attention to the real issues and the dissenting opinion has become so synonymous with the NWO lunatic fringe idea that no reasonable person wants to touch it.

There is no hope for my country.



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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When things go wrong in people's lives, the first thing they wanna blame is "religion". This shows utter ignorance and shows that those accusers know nothing about which they speak! The most battered book in the world, and yet it has shown time after time the truth for us all to read, and shows us all why things happen beforehand, and yet most folks still blame it for all their problems? The rise and fall of nero, nebuchadnezzar, alexander the great, ceasar, and nimrod, and all of this is recorded in history books, for all to see, but the first book that prophecyed it to come and pass, "the bible", gets dissed? You people here readily admit that a "one-world" gov't is taking place, and this too is also in the bible, and yet you diss that also? Those of you here who are depicting the bible as doom and gloom are the ones who are the most scared because you know that the sin in your lives is not going to stand up with Jesus, and you will pay for them. The wages of sin is death, that's biblical scripture also, just like in matthew it says the way to enter into heaven is to keep God's commandments! Those are the words of Jesus, not mine, so take up your arguments with him when you see him at the white throne judgement! Man has spent centuries trying to debunk the bible, God, and Jesus, and guess what folks? He hasn't done nothing but further prove it's authenticity! The illuminati, they're in the bible! They were the first "sun worshippers". People fear what they don't understand, and from what I see here, a lot of you folks don't understand God or the bible. I never did either until I fully opened up my heart and gave it to God! For one thing, it was the apostle Paul who is credited by man to have started "christianity".
Jesus Christ's name actually means, "the annointed one", so those who follow him are called christains, or, followers of the annointed one! Jesus was sent to earth not to create any religion, he was sent here to create a "relationship" between God and man! What mortal man fears most when Jesus does return is the fact that the sinners know that their ways of life are over! God gave man thousands of years to get it right, and now since we couldn't do it ourselves, he(God) is gonna show us how. After Jesus returns, the lion shall lie down with the lamb! Soldiers shall beat their swords into plow shares and their spears into prunning hooks, and shall wanna learn war no more! God will heal all who believe. One person here said he wished God would give amputees their leg back? He will, and scripture shows that fact also! Don't believe me, here's the scripture for it! Revelations chapter 21 verses 4&5: And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be anymore pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me: Write: for these words are true and faithful.
NOw how does that scripture grab a few of ya'll? Believers will never die, they will never get sick anymore, if they are amputees, quadroplegics, or whatever disease they may be afflicted with, it shall be no more and passed away for all eternity! This is the exact kind of world I see you people wanting, but you don't wanna pay the price for it! You wanna make fun of those who do believe, and you do it not because you are mean, or evil, you do it because you're scared! You do it because the devil is tugging away at your soul and mind, giving you every excuse to "NOT" believe the scriptures. Look at it like this, if you will please. You can always "try" God, and if you don't like him, Satan will "ALWAYS" take you back!



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