Originally posted by dampnickers
It astounds me that more people do not know about this case. I talk regularly to people about UFO cases, and very few ever know about this one.
Originally posted by karl 12
It also astounds me as it truly is a fascinating one - UFO debunkers also seem to have an aversion to addressing it.
Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by easynow
Good work Easynow
Have a look at what happened in the area 10 days earlier...
April 7, 1966; Mansfield, OH Time not reported. Two sheriffs deputies while on patrol chased a bright round object at high speed, seeing it or a similar object five times. The UFO alternately hovered and sped up, the last time departing vertically upward. (NICAP notes.) [Compare to April 17, 1966, Ravenna, Ohio, sheriffs deputies case.]
It seems there were more witnesses than those already mentioned too. I'm not sure if it's part of the Mod's snip, but I didn't see the part about planes being scrambled? According to this account three jets were scrambled to investigate/ intercept the UFO (or Floyd!)...
They lost sight of object at Brady Run Park regained it in Bridgeport, Penna. At about this time officers Lonnie Johnson and Ray Esterly in Salem, Ohio, saw 3 jet fighters attempting to intercept a bright object at about 10,000-20,000 ft about 25° elevation to the E for about 2 mins. In Conway, Penna., at 6 a.m. they met with officer Frank Panzarella who had been watching the object for 10 mins to the E or SE which he described as 2535 ft half-football-shaped object at about 1,000 ft height (or 1,500-2,000 ft according to the others), when it stopped in the NE towards Harmony, Pennsylvania, then rose. They watched as the object climbed to about 3,500 ft to the left of and level with the quarter moon in the ESE (which was at about azimuth 116° elevation 14° and 11 % illuminated at 6:00 a.m.) and Venus (at 122° azimuth 22° elevation) and it passed near a 707 airliner taking off from Pittsburgh Airport and disappeared shooting up vertically at about 6:10. (Hynek UFO Exp ch. 8; NICAP)
1966 Chronology of UFO Reports
I wonder why the Condon Report ignored this? Seems like a lot of witnesses, reports, images and an alleged piece of 'unusual' metal would've made an impression. Jets possibly mean radar traces too
Originally posted by MrInquisitive
I'll have to peruse the details in this thread and associated links again before I come to a conclusion on it. That the original post on this thread is mainly a set of video links, many of which are now deleted, and that the additional text-based evidence is provided in fragments and many additional links, it is hard to readily get one's head around the pertinent facts of the case.
The letter from William Weitzel, NICAP investigator, to Professor William Powers gives a very detailed and rich account of the events..
"When they started talking about fighter planes, it was just as if that thing heard every word that was said; it went PSSSSSHHEW, straight up; and I mean when it went up, friend, it didn't play no games; it went straight up."
Police officer Dale Spaur
"The object then moved out towards Harmony Township approximately a 1,000 feet high, then it stopped then went straight up real fast to about 3,500 feet."
Police Officer Frank Panzanella
"I've seen Venus many times, but I never saw Venus 50 feet above a road and moving from side to side like this was..."
Portage County Sheriff Ross Dustman
SPAUR-NEFF, UFO DETAIL
1. Projection, tilted from rear (trailing edge) 18' long, tapered to to tip
2. Dome-shaped top; partly metallic, partly self-illuminated
3. Glowing front (leading edge)
4. Cone-shaped light underneath
5. Glowing tip of trailing edge
6. Metallic surface
7. Sharp "drop-off" (Neff disagrees; remembers more rounded here)
8. Rounded "undercarriage"
9. Line separating metallic from self-illuminated portions
SPAUR-NEFF, SIGHTING TERMINUS
1. Bright spot to right of moon, a little above axis of symmetry of crescent
2. Crescent moon (bump in concave portion indicates "nose" of "Man in Moon")
3. TV antenna on nearby house, through whose elements Spaur and Neff saw the
UFO hovering before 1st upward elevation
4. Position of UFO after 1st elevation, above moon (now moving away, or disappearing)
(NOTE: Panzanella agreed with relative positions of levels of hovering; Spaur agreed with Panzanella's on-the-spot location of object relative to nearby houses; Spaur examined a photograph made from the spot he claimed to have been standing.)
HUSTON, UFO DETAIL
1. Cone-shaped light underneath
2. Bright, self-illuminated solid appearing top
3. Dome shape
4. Cone tilted toward rear, of direction of motion, more so than shown here.
Originally posted by MrInquisitive
There are over 692 pages of thread titles alone, which equates to some 34,620 threads. It's hard to sort through all this to find the interesting/important ones.
Originally posted by HunkaHunka
yes and My father saw this as well the night prior near Defiance Ohio... he described the exact same thing... and though a fearless person... was scared of this and didn't like to talk about it at all...
Wertman highlighted five cases, all in northeast Ohio. The first one happened in Ravenna in 1966. Wertman said that people swear Steven Spielberg got the idea for a scene from "Close Encounters" from this case.
'This is based on a true case that happened," Wertman said. At 5:30 p.m., April 17, 1966, two Portage County deputies stopped to investigate an abandoned car when they saw an object rise from behind trees. As the object passed the deputies it bathed them in light and made a humming sound similar to a transformer. The deputies radioed dispatch and began to pursue it.
"Deputies estimated the altitude of the object to be between 300-500 feet above the ground," Wertman said. "The object illuminated the ground as it traveled. Speeds during the chase reached 100 miles per hour."
The pursuit covered 86 miles and ended in Pennsylvania, when the officers ran out of gas. They had to borrow money to get back home. An official from Project Bluebook, which was a U.S. Air Force group, that was to investigate if UFOs were a threat to national security sent someone to investigate it. The government official said it must have been a satellite or Venus.
Now, there are a number of things that stand out very strongly with the Portage County case, and point directly to theories offered in Mr. Hill’s work. For me, it was startling just how well this set of events meshes in with field-propelled UFO’s.
First of all, let’s tackle the reported shape of the object. Per Spaur and Neff, its initial appearance was rounded on top, with a cone-shaped light underneath, like a “partly melted ice cream cone”. It also quite brilliantly lit up the whole area, even the interior of their patrol car. The “ice-cream cone” descriptor is very commonly reported, so this links this sighting with a long chain of other sightings. Hill had a strong idea of why this particular geometry is so prevalent.
The energies produced in field propulsion and maneuvering would induce a plasma sheath around the UFO, directed as a vector away and essentially normal from the base of object..
Another tie to Hill’s theories is that of the hum reported by Spaur. I find the Hum aspect one of the most fascinating things so often reported in UFO events. Let’s consider a quote from Spaur:
“The only thing, the only sound in the whole area was a hum... like a transformer being loaded or an overloaded transformer when it changes..."
The “transformer” description of the sound is important on its own, strictly because it ascribes a mechanical, cyclical nature to field. Changes in the operation and performance of UFO seemed to be linked with the character of the hum, as well, which certainly hints at the idea of changing field energies and geometry..
An 80-page booklet called "THE RAVENNA CASE," covering the April 17th dramatic UFO chase by Ohio police officers and the inside story of an attempted cover-up, is being prepared for NICAP publication.
Written as a narrative documentary, "THE RAVENNA CASE" includes:
Unpublished details from the deputy sheriffs who chased the UFO -- a glowing, maneuvering object at times so low it lit up the ground;
the on-the-scene investigation taped by William B. Weitzel, Chairman, NICAP Pittsburgh Suhcommittee;
Weitadl's efforts to prevent the cover-up;
the cooperation of a tenacious woman reporter whose news articles, including a revealing interview with Major Quintanilta, Project BlueBook head, caused high level pressure to re-open the case;
and details of a behind-the-scenes AF conflict over the "explain away" -- a disagreemenf which caused Dr. Hynek, the AF chief UFO consultant to reject the published explanation, label the case "'unexplained," and urge that Quintanilla admit his answer was wrong.
Hundreds of Ohio people see UFO
Spaur said the lines of the object were very distinct, "Someone had control over it" he said. It wasn't just floating around. It can maneuver."
The deputy said the chase slowed down near Rochester Pa., when the cars "got tangled up in a mess of bridges. But when I came out from under the bridge it came down and waited for us, just as though it knew these two cars were following it."
"I know nobody's going to believe it, but it's true" he said.
Google News Archive
Originally posted by easynow
Chief Buchert - Deputy Sheriff Spaur - Deputy Wilson
FYI - I recently spoke with a relative of one of the deputy's involved in this case and invited him here to this thread so I'm really hoping he will join us and give us some additional insight about the unidentified object and how these officers were treated after the event and I hope everyone will give him a warm welcome
Jackelyne Neff later spoke out about the impact the UFO encounter had on her husband:
I hope I never seen him like he was after the chase. He was real white, almost in a state of shock. It was awful. And people made fun of him afterwards. He never talks about it any more. Once he told me, "If that thing landed in my back yard, I wouldn't tell a soul". He's been through a wringer. (Clark, 1998)
Huston quit his job and moved to Seattle, Washington, becoming a bus driver. He later said:
Sure, I quit because of that thing. People laughed at me. And there was pressure. You couldn't put your finger on it, but the pressure was there. The city officials didn't like police officers chasing flying saucers. (Clark, 1998)
"If I could change all that I have done in my life, I would change just one thing. And that would be the night we chased that damn thing. That saucer."
However, Spaur absorbed the brunt of the publicity in the case, and had the most tragic outcome. Quintanilla's final report on the UFO chase report mentioned only Spaur, and Quintanilla's ambiguous wording led some to conclude that only Spaur, and not more than half a dozen others, had claimed to have seen a UFO
Here's a report that Francis Ridge (new NICAP) and Jan Aldridge (Proj. 1947) can confirm as accurate from the NICAP Journals in their possession. It concerns a sighting reported by the Governor of Florida, his entourage, and some pilots during his re-election campaign. It appeared in the NICAP May/June 1966 issue. Maybe Fran, Jan and scientists have it figured out. The sighting occurred eight days after the Ravenna, Ohio case investigated by Dr. James McDonald.
Originally posted by Caver78
This is one of the best threads I've seen on ATS in months!!
Area UFO Followed By Trouble