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How The Spirit Of Our Soldiers Has Changed

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posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 11:13 PM
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This section of the movie, where these men who are from Britain. Get put in Guantanamo bay and are there for a few years, with them trying to get him to sign a paper (terror quota) saying they are with Al-Qaeda, threatening to arrest their family and bring them to the same camp and torture them as well....They put them in a pitch black room with their hands chained to the floor and feet chained next their hands so their in the fetal position sitting up, there is a strobe light and they are blasting cradle of filth?, they keep him in that room for 6 hours, they would have to pee on themselves and defecate in their pants while listening to screaming music, in a pitch black room with a strobe light.

IMPORTANT NOTE: THIS IS THE FULL MOVIE FAST FORWARD TO TIME BELOW
1 HOUR 17 MINUTES 24 SECONDS START
1 HOUR 18 MINUTES 55 SECONDS END

WATCH THIS TIME FRAME::: 1:17:24-1:18:55
I STRONGLY recommend watching this entire movie - "the road to Guantanamo bay"

Google Video Link


WATCH THIS TIME FRAME - 1:17:24-1:18:55 -

THIS IS WHAT OUR SOLDIERS HAVE BECOME, WE HAVE BEEN REDUCED TO A SATANIC FORCE, YOU CANNOT PERSUADE ME TO THINK THIS IS NOT SATANIC AT ITS VERY CORE - if you don't think so, imagine yourself in the most uncomfortable position having to crap and pee on yourself while the room is strobing and the devil is screaming at you for 6 hours straight.

(yes it could be worse, they could be chopping off their arm or sticking needles in their fingernails etc...I'm well aware...I'M SPEAKING OF HOW EVIL THIS IS SPIRITUALLY) if you don't believe in God then move on to another post im sure you think we are nice by comparison then....

after this they bring him to a room and throw porn magazines at him and tell him to jack off, when he wont obey they beat the crap out of him calling him gay etc...

Don't even try to argue this was just a film and exaggerated we all saw how they treated those prisoners. this is there eye witness account.

THEY BOTH HAD PERFECT ALIBI'S. they had no trial, they did not listen to them, it could have been cleared up almost immediately! THEY WERE TORTURED FOR 3 YEARS WITHOUT TRIAL.

NOW LISTEN CAREFULLY - this is a training ground, this torture is the new world orders training ground FOR YOU AMERICA.

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---when they came for the gay's we did not care, we hated the gays, when they came for the retarded children, we did not care, they did not deserve to live, when they came for the Jews, we did not care, for we hated Jews, but when they came for us, we wish we would have spoken up when we had the chance ---


[edit on 19-4-2009 by daersoulkeeper]




posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 11:58 PM
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I was disgusted from the reports from Iraq, then later, Gitmo, about how our military were abusing and killing innocents. I know I wasn't everywe during Desert Storm, but I did not see anything during that short war that matched what I saw after 9/11. We respected our enemies after we caught them or they surrendered. I do admit the war was bloody and violent. That is war. And Abu Ghrab, spelling? absolutely devasted me as to what our military has become.

Originally, when I joined the army in the 70's I was disgusted with the officers and NCO's that were in charge of me. The army was a rag tag bunch for the most part. I vowed to do a better job than those people in charge of me when I first joined. There was a new spirit to the army and I was caught up in it. One of honor and accountability and respect. But since I have retired and all my peers have retired, I see something lacking. I wonder was it just us? Or is it situations that have caused this? I don't know. Is it a breakdown in the moral fiber of our society that has caused this? Is it lack of ethics and humanity that has caused this? Really, I don't have an answer.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 02:32 AM
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Pretty intense holiday, if I do say so myself.
I guess I expected to see the famed waterboarding at some point, but glad they were spared the experience.
I am sure the isolation chamber was meant to be as close to hell for these guys as they could make it. They're just lucky these dudes didn't end up being sadistic metalheads or they mighta liked the iso-chamber because it reminds me of the mosh pit at the last ministry/sepaltura concert I went to...minus all the people and crisco flying around, of course...anyways.

I tend to don the 'rose colored lenses', myself and I really wish that civilization had gone in a different direction than this. I still see the possibility of peaceful coexistence, but I don't think we will ever have that on a global scale because the 'haves' are too afraid to give up a little luxury and they always will be. I'm not a communist or anything, but when I see the scenes of poverty in Pakistan and Afghanistan and then compare that to the 'opulence' that has become common here in America, I can't help but think that greed and fear are at the root of all of this.

The interrogators could have cleared things up much earlier had they actually listened, but it was clear they just wanted to meet some kind of captured enemy combatant quota or something and were falling rather short, so they started making things up? Maybe they did think these guys were the bad guys and I'm wrong because they think they have such excellent intel gathering skills, but I see that as a fault because they try to lean too heavily on these 'sources' and not enough on intuition and real communication.

I dunno...I'm sure they all know better how to do this job than I ever would, but then again, I would be making enemies everywhere I go and having to constantly guard against blowback. Guess I'm just not such an obnoxious American.

We're not supposed to be killing each other...and only when all of the women are dead, will we realize it's too late to repopulate.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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thanks to both of you for your stories and comments, I'm surprised there haven't been more views thus far, this truly shocked me when i watched this film, i knew it was bad but i would have never imagined the strobing lights, the dark room and the screaming music. I would have guessed beatings and humiliation, but the depth of psychological torture to true evil made me feel sick in my soul.



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by kyred
reply to post by daersoulkeeper
 


I was disgusted from the reports from Iraq, then later, Gitmo, about how our military were abusing and killing innocents. I know I wasn't everywe during Desert Storm, but I did not see anything during that short war that matched what I saw after 9/11. We respected our enemies after we caught them or they surrendered. I do admit the war was bloody and violent. That is war. And Abu Ghrab, spelling? absolutely devasted me as to what our military has become.


indeed! it is awful how we have changed, worse yet how some believe things remain the same and continue being fed lies from CNN and foxnews

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posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by daersoulkeeper
this truly shocked me when i watched this film, i knew it was bad but i would have never imagined the strobing lights, the dark room and the screaming music. I would have guessed beatings and humiliation, but the depth of psychological torture to true evil made me feel sick in my soul.



I'm not defending anybody nor am I saying that things like this may not have gone on but...

You do realize this is a "Dramatization" Right?



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 04:55 PM
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I must be getting insensitive as I grow, but for either terrorists or non-uniformed combatants, I don't see the problem.

So their lives are miserable?

And . . . that's a problem because . . . ?



posted on Apr, 19 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Terrorist, rebel, martyr, freedom fighter, militant..

Any idea what I'm getting at?



[edit on 19-4-2009 by rhinoceros]



posted on Apr, 20 2009 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by dooper
I must be getting insensitive as I grow, but for either terrorists or non-uniformed combatants, I don't see the problem.

So their lives are miserable?

And . . . that's a problem because . . . ?



BECAUSE: A: they had no trial,,, B: it could have been you C: that would have lost you your job and 3 years of your life along with how much it sucked
and MOST importantly is...

---when they came for the gay's we did not care, we hated the gays, when they came for the retarded children, we did not care, they did not deserve to live, when they came for the Jews, we did not care, for we hated Jews, but when they came for us, we wish we would have spoken up when we had the chance ---



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