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As a student enrolled in the Criminal Justice program
It didn't say anything about clinging to ones rights as being detrimental to the general welfare of the nation. Actually I think that the tone was more in the direction that the rights in the Constitution are essential to the Republic and it's survival in later years.
People clinging to their "constitutional rights" are a threat to society,
Legally cops are not allowed to profile people but profiling is somewhere around 85% effective and accurate.
His rights under the US Constitution.
his combativeness and repetition of words shows that he was focused on one thing.
My intuition tells "me" that he may be a person that "actually" knows his rights under the US Constitution and he was sick and tired of them being trampled upon. It couldn't be something as simple as that could it???
he rode up safe to that checkpoint and has done it numerous times this time he brought along a camera... why is that do you think? my intuition tells me he was hiding something,
no the Government doesn't let this fly so they created loopholes and one of the loopholes was that the Officers had the right to check this mans car because he was posing a threat.
Man I don't think Stalin or Mao could have put it any better.
If he is whining and fussy to authoritative figures of the society he will be much more of a threat to the average member of society.
You're' not this naive.. I'll make this very clear, you said your self that police are a power mongering group. They are also very cliquish by nature. So he messed with police and now he gets stopped again. I'll say it again, you're not this naive. So I'll be blunt, a dog can't be compelled to tell you if he indeed gave an indication of illegal substances in the car or gave no notification. However, a police officer can "say" that a dog indicated such things all he wants and that's the end all and be all. How does one repremand a dog for a false positive??? You don't, get it? So please stop being cute.
They caught him in a lie when the cops DID catch him later on, their alert dog which is highly trained and yes dogs can smell some amazing distinctions... he alerted them to HIS CAR...
Actually it's been my observation that the older officers (you know the “less educated ones”) actually had balls and didn't feel the need to slap people around. They were the jocks and the tough guys of their time. They knew that they were men. I've seen the older CPD take many groups to task with little more than flying feet and fist, the occasional knight stick.
It is a very small group and most of them have power control issues, a well educated cop poses less of a threat than a less educated 1... thats statistically true and common sense wise true...
b4 all of you say all cops have created a name for themselves, thats not true at all, it proves that whoever says that is uneducated, ignorant and again not very bright (because you should know that there are good cops out there).
The only thing that I ever wanted any police officer to do is perform the duties that he/she "took upon themselves." To do the jobs that we pay them to do, and go home safely to their families at the end of the day. Uphold the law, that is the only thing that I have ever wanted from a police officer.
all of you want these guys to come up to you and give you a pat on the back and tell you to have a good day.
We all have parents and do not need another set, as I said all we need them to do is uphold the law and be not a respecter of persons (i.e do not protect their buddies).
They are like parents they are their to protect you and whether you understand it or not, they are doing a good job of it.
Some are corrupt... most arent.
Stop being paranoid, im getting tired of seeing that here on ATS.
For a person that is quick to call others ignorant of some fact you sure did forget to provide some proof that would corroborate this statement.
For all of you who are ignorant of the truth i figured Id drop this to think about... Atleast 1 terroristic plot is foiled in the U.S. every day.
the officers tried to get him to pull over... he showed fear and was guilty
Most people are afraid of cops because some cops have abused their power.
So, you say that he was afraid??? Didn't you just explain to us why he was afraid......
It is a very small group and most of them have power control issues
I think that you may have a predisposition to preachers, as you claim people have with cops. What's wrong with preachers????
its what preachers do they know how to sucker people into their scheme.
But, I think in the least that the agents had "mere suspicion" because of his behavior.
It would be a totally different situation that if every driver or I'll even say every 10th driver that came through the checkpoint behaved as this moron did. It becomes what? Accepted behavior, by all.., public and law enforcement alike. No big deal then right? You get one guy out of a hundred that acts, I'll say, strangely?! Now, I gotta tell ya that if I was on a checkpoint and I had waived one hundred or more through and then I get this guy who start's acting out of the ordinary?! Yhea, I'd be a little suspicious myself.
We haven't heard a word of it yet in Chicago.
and he was nailed for it as I recall, believe that he went to jail.
Think the judge was to easy?, to stern? What would you have done to him if you were the judge?
I know that this is not going to sound fair, but unless you come across the right sort (which is EXTREMELY rare) or know a CPD officer you will get a very obtuse response to say the least.
Next time you come across a police officer walk up to that officer and ask them what its like being a police officer.
Originally posted by skyeyes
I've read most of the reply's to this video and the reply's to my own. Some of you make valid points, and some of you have asked if I'm a cop. Yes, I am. I've been patrolling the criminal streets of small town america. I've been in "knock down drag outs" with felons who have warrants for their arrest, arrested people for battery, theft, drugs, weapons, driving on suspended licenses, lewd and lacivious. Someone brought up the point of walking down the street and being stopped by the police. First of all its not a detention unless the cop says "Stop" or give the person some type of command that would lead that person to believe that he/she is no longer free to leave. The Supreme Court has ruled that the police can initiate contact with any person out on the streets because while out in public you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. Now, does that mean that the contactee has to stay and converse with the officer?, no they don't. Officer continue to stay in contact with the contactee after they have made it clear that they do not want the contact are pushing the limits, and in most agencies there is a complaint process. The Supreme Court has also ruled that the police may stop and detain anyone who they believe may be going to commit a crime, is commiting a crime, or has commited a crime, (Terry v. Ohio). Like it or not there are people walking, running, driving, riding, our streets who are criminals and some who are wanted. What does a criminal look like? The criminals that I've come into contact with certainly don't look the McDonald's Hamburglar. Look, the BOTTON LINE is that this guy went to this check point to CONFRONT the border patrol agents and the policies that they have been instructed to enforce. I understand that he may have been trying to bring issues that he thought may be constitutional violations to the public's attention. I also understand the public's perception on this. But wouldn't a better way be to get the media involved? These checkpoints have been in place for years. If they were such Constitutional Right violations the media would be all over them. These checkpoints and the agents that enforce their policies are there because we put them there. If we as American's don't like the way the government is operating then our recourse is to vote and elect people whom we believe will hold our values and beliefs in place. NUFF SAID
Originally posted by skyeyes
reply to post by AlienChaser
You make valid points,
But you know, at least I hope you know, that the media would love to get there hands on Constitutional Rights Violations.
I was taught in the academy that a federal officer (i.e. Border Patrol, U.S. Marshalls, F.B.I. etc.) has the authority to enforce all FEDERAL , STATE , AND LOCAL LAWS. And that was taken from the book my friend.
Our departments want us to give hugs, rather that place someone under arrest.
In fact as a police officer I have to be very careful about how I conduct myself both on and off duty. Why? Becasue police officers are held to a higher standard by the public.
Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by lazy1981
I am in no way sticking up for cops that abuse their power. It is despicable, and that guy who beat that woman up...I can't even tell you how angry that makes me, Cop or not. What makes me livid is the fact that MEN stood around and let happen...WTF?
Here is the problem with the fearing the cops issue. The media incites it. Seriously, before cameras were everywhere how often do you think things like this happened? I'd say more, yet people weren't intimidated and as jft123 states, "cops were your friends". I remember when I was a kid, cops would let me sit in their squad car and turn on the lights for me. When you saw the police you felt safe, not fearful. That has completely reversed and it is not because of the cops. This started with Rodney King as far as it being a national concern, only they never showed you the rest of the tape of Rodney evading the police and running cracked out of his mind. This is media driven to incite people to give them problems, with a predisposition that the police are going to in some why violate them...it stinks to me.
The perception of fear is fostered by the media to incite these very problems. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have people so afraid of cops. They paint them in a horrible light...I feel bad for them.
Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by bringthelight
If you've done nothing wrong, then just pull over.
This guy has rights, as do we all, but he is asking to be beat with his attitude.
Not only that but what point has he made?
"I know my rights?" Great...still got beat.
Seams to me he has a beef with the checkpoints and that is fine. I live in San Diego and have to deal with the same thing he does, so I can understand his frustration, but he goes over board and is trying to be problematic.
Those searches only take a couple of minutes anyway.
What makes me livid is the fact that MEN stood around and let happen...WTF?
You make a good point, but it's like the old saying. What you don't know can't hurt you. This old adage isn't really true.
The media incites it. Seriously, before cameras were everywhere how often do you think things like this happened? I'd say more,
Relics of a bygone era, at least in this damn city. Like I said befor unless you personally know the officer those days are long gone. Besides, I'm probably a bit younger than you so the "us and them" crap that the media and put in our heads and the government put in cops heads had already taken deep roots.
"cops were your friends". I remember when I was a kid, cops would let me sit in their squad car and turn on the lights for me.
Originally posted by skyeyes
Now the norm for a person who is engaged in the commission of a crime is to be extremely nervous when approached by law enforcement.
Let me try to clarify. I conduct several traffic stops a week during my regular patrol shift. Out of the cars I stop, and driver's that I contact, I'll say that 90% of them are curious as to what they have done to get pulled over. About 1 to 2% of them may be nervous because they've never been stopped by the police before.
The remaining 8 to 9% of them are nervous because they're commiting some type of crime and they're nervous because I'm there.
Now while in contact with these individuals I pay attention to they're verbal and non verbal reactions to my presence. 90% of the time I will not observe any nervous behaviour from the driver's I stop.
Now the rest of the time give or take a couple percent are up to no good. Pull a car over for a traffic violation, make contact with the driver. Ask driver for D.L., insurance, registration. Hands me his driver's license, and when he does, his hand is TREMBLING. He keeps looking into the rearview mirror's, seems to be just not paying attention to what's going on. Answers my questions, with questions. Beads of sweat start to accumulate on his forehead even though the cars airconditioning is on, or it is quite cool outside. My friend, based upon my ten years of training and experience, my instincts are telling me that something is wrong here.
Officers can also stop citizens even though they may not have any “basis to question the individual,” and can ask questions or verify a citizens’ identification, although the citizen being questioned does not have to answer, Van Hollen added.
I was taught in the academy that a federal officer (i.e. Border Patrol, U.S. Marshalls, F.B.I. etc.) has the authority to enforce all FEDERAL , STATE , AND LOCAL LAWS.
Police State!? HAAH, HAAH, HAAH! You know in some states you go to jail for less than a year for selling drugs, but get caught driving while your license is suspended habitually, your going to "PRISON." Heck!, you can't even get states like Georgia, and California to come pick up (extradite) their wanted felons, because they don't wan to spend the money to do it! I've seen it happen. I don't buy the police state crap!
So this checkpoint is on his way home, daily routine, whatever. So does it like block the entrance to his driveway, work, or does he live out in the middle of nowhere and there's only ONE ROAD to his house,