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Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by Unmask The Deception
...fact is cooperation is not a loss of liberty...period!
Originally posted by skyeyes
Do any of you realize how much contraband is transported in vehicle's throughout our country? What does a vehicle that is transporting contraband look like? Do any of you realize just what type, and how much crime is occurring in your streets, who is the victim, who is the suspect?! Who is sneaking around out there while you're sleeping? Who is the crackhead just looking to steal to get the next hit, who is the dangerous criminal who is going to break into your house while armed?
Your good street cop does. Because he/she interacts with these people on a regular basis. Perception is a powerful thing. You can show an incident to ten different people and get ten different opinions. Random vehicle searches have produced a large quantity of contraband seizures around the country that would not have been detected without the search. Not just drugs, but weapons, explosives, drug money, and even cadavers. If any of you want to know just what a law enforcement job encompasses I recommend that you attend a Citizen's Police Academy if your local agency offers it.
Originally posted by romanmel
Tell that to seven million dead jews, who "cooperated" with the Nazis during WWII. What an affront to liberty, this type of reasoning entails. What this video shows is how "above the law" those empowered to enforce it can become.
Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
A MESSAGE TO THE VIDEO CREATOR.
PLEASE, STOP DOING THIS!
Although you think it is a good idea, it is going to have the exact opposite effect of what you want.
I hate to say it, but people like this are the ones who force new laws to be created so it doesn't happen again. You are going to ruin our rights by forcing them to create new laws that allow them to do exactly what you don't want them to do.
Have some common sense people. Finding and using any type of "loophole" will just force them to fix the "loophole". Please do not ruin my rights by forcing them to change them, because you wanted to film it on video and show the world. This will turn out to be a case of "one person ruining it for the rest of us".
Just my opinion.
[edit on 18-4-2009 by 0nce 0nce]
During this long confrontation I counted almost a dozen people on one vehicle making false arguments to try to detain an American citizen who displayed no reason for them to suspect him of any wrongdoing. All the while, at the border, illegals are swarming northward undetained.
Of course, a simple rolling down the window, they see you're 'white' and you don't have an accent....and they wave you on your way. Is THAT what you want? Because it treads dangerously close to a 'racial profiling' edge of the cliff.....
Back to now. IF these checkpoints are detemined to fight Mexican, or other illegals coming thru Mexico....then WHY are checkpoints arranged randomly along Inter-State Highways that run generally East-to-West???
Why not focus on the routes that are North-South? I mean, not every point along I-8 has a connection to the South, into Mexico....does it?
Posted by Mercenary2007
the bottom line is The CBP officers are doing the best job they can with the small numbers of agents that they do have. your not happy with they job their doing? I'm sure they are hiring so why don't you join them on the border?
its easy to be an armchair quarter back like yourself but until you either do the job they are doing or cross the border on a daily basis and see the numbers of people and vehicles they have to deal with everyday and see the job that they are doing is impossible you just won't understand anything about it.
I'm all for sticking up for your rights but there is a time and a place for it, and a border patrol checkpoint within 100 miles of the border is not the place.
Originally posted by Viral
I read the first couple of posts in this thread, and I am disappointed in some of the replies. People do not seem to understand their rights. Before replying, how about you read the US Constitution. Now that you have read it, please tell me where it states that a policeman is permitted to detain and search you without a warrant.
Stop and frisk However, in certain circumstances, authorities are permitted to conduct a limited warrantless search on a level of suspicion less than probable cause. In Terry v. Ohio 392 U.S. 1 (1968), the Supreme Court decided that when a policeman "observes unusual conduct" that leads him to reasonably believe "that criminal activity may be afoot" and that the suspicious person has a weapon and is presently dangerous to the policeman or others, he may conduct a "pat-down search" (or "frisk"), to determine whether the person is in fact carrying a weapon. To conduct a frisk, the policeman must be able to point to specific and articulable facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant his actions. A vague hunch will not do. Such a search must be temporary and questioning must be limited to the purpose of the stop (i.e., if the policeman stopped you because he had reasonable suspicion to believe that you were driving a stolen car, after confirming that it is not stolen, he cannot force you to answer questions about anything else, such as the possession of contraband).