Abusive border patrol agents "im pretty sure you are a terrorist" {video}

reply to post by ClintK


ClintK....can you elaborate?

I mean....we still don't know IF it is the US Supreme Court, or the NM Supreme Court. Upon further reflection, since it is a Federal Highway, I will assume it was a US Supreme decision (although no one has yet found the ruling, and brought it to ATS).

We all, in the US, know full-well the make-up of the 'Court' at present.

Example: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas (the one who rarely says ANYTHING during rulings) recently hosted a kid's show...sorry, forget where...but he was heard to say how he thought a dishwasher was 'magical'....(I am NOT making this up!!).

To paraphrase: "I put the dirty dishes in, and then when I open it, they're clean!" (Clarence Thomas' comments, on the show....)

I let that speak for itself.......

reply to post by Unmask The Deception


Agreed! Can you imagine what it will be like, for law enforcement officers, when an overwhelming majority of well armed citizens understand they are being hounded by cops of the New World Order, in these situations involving patriots meerly demanding their rights.

One hundred million guns in the private hands of true US patriots are all that stand in the face of tyrany at this time.

reply to post by romanmel


Why can't cops be patriots as well or are they all of the sudden "not human" c' mon they are people too some are good and some are bad but none are perfect.

Originally posted by alyosha1981
reply to post by Unmask The Deception

 

...fact is cooperation is not a loss of liberty...period!

Tell that to seven million dead jews, who "cooperated" with the Nazis during WWII. What an affront to liberty, this type of reasoning entails. What this video shows is how "above the law" those empowered to enforce it can become.

reply to post by alyosha1981


The officers wanted to pull him into a secondary checkpoint so that they could search his vehicle without probable cause. They did not have probable cause and that is a violation of our 4th amendment right. He had already cooperated by stopping, and that was what was required. The officers could not come up with a legitimate reason why they wanted to search his car.

They attempted to violate his rights. There was no probable cause because they could not provide one. That is illegal my friend.

reply to post by alyosha1981


alyosha.....big 'ole star there.

This entire controversy needs to be re-examined, and possibly taken down a few notches.

I am not personally conversant with the exact locations of these 'checkpoints'...I understand the approximate regions, and they seem to predominate the 'Southern' borders....which is funny, because are they trying to keep the folks from the South getting in, or the folks from the North moving South???

Oh...that's for the future times....

Back to now. IF these checkpoints are detemined to fight Mexican, or other illegals coming thru Mexico....then WHY are checkpoints arranged randomly along Inter-State Highways that run generally East-to-West???

Why not focus on the routes that are North-South? I mean, not every point along I-8 has a connection to the South, into Mexico....does it?

Is it possible that these 'check-points' are arbitrarily set-up to be convenient to the home cities of the Officers involved? Hmmmmm????

Originally posted by skyeyes
Do any of you realize how much contraband is transported in vehicle's throughout our country? What does a vehicle that is transporting contraband look like? Do any of you realize just what type, and how much crime is occurring in your streets, who is the victim, who is the suspect?! Who is sneaking around out there while you're sleeping? Who is the crackhead just looking to steal to get the next hit, who is the dangerous criminal who is going to break into your house while armed?
Your good street cop does. Because he/she interacts with these people on a regular basis. Perception is a powerful thing. You can show an incident to ten different people and get ten different opinions. Random vehicle searches have produced a large quantity of contraband seizures around the country that would not have been detected without the search. Not just drugs, but weapons, explosives, drug money, and even cadavers. If any of you want to know just what a law enforcement job encompasses I recommend that you attend a Citizen's Police Academy if your local agency offers it.

Do any of you cops realize how much contraband is in people's houses? Shouldn't we just let you all randomly search our houses too just to be on the safe side?

It sounds to me like all of these special powers that have been given to you cops over the past 30 years have made you all pretty lazy. The easy way out is to just search anyone you come across and your bound to eventually find something. To hell with people's rights.

There's just one problem with that.... This is supposed to be a free country. Remember that?

All of these new laws make your jobs so much easier now you know? I understand your motivation in defending the present status quo.

But I don't agree with it at all. These guys making these videos are very brave and as we can see they are putting themselve's in dangerous situations by doing that.

Some might even argue that many of the things that are considered contraband should have never been illegalized in the first place. But here we are today becoming subject to harassment at every turn.

Another problem here is where does the law enforcement perogatives stop? Do we just let them set up shop 200 miles inside borders next? Hell why not just set up a Passport system to travel from town to town like in the old Soviet system under Stalin?

Where does it stop?
Or do we finally start fighting back?

Originally posted by romanmel

Tell that to seven million dead jews, who "cooperated" with the Nazis during WWII. What an affront to liberty, this type of reasoning entails. What this video shows is how "above the law" those empowered to enforce it can become.

This is the absolute truth. I do not understand how people cannot see the road we are leading our country to.


"But but but..... tyranny cannot happen in America......baaaaaa"

Originally posted by 0nce 0nce
A MESSAGE TO THE VIDEO CREATOR.

PLEASE, STOP DOING THIS!

Although you think it is a good idea, it is going to have the exact opposite effect of what you want.

I hate to say it, but people like this are the ones who force new laws to be created so it doesn't happen again. You are going to ruin our rights by forcing them to create new laws that allow them to do exactly what you don't want them to do.

Have some common sense people. Finding and using any type of "loophole" will just force them to fix the "loophole". Please do not ruin my rights by forcing them to change them, because you wanted to film it on video and show the world. This will turn out to be a case of "one person ruining it for the rest of us".

Just my opinion.

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Are you kidding me??? Where is your back bone? Do you know how many people have fought and died for your freedom that you so willingly give up? You can keep your common sense, because it is definately not my sense.

You want to just hide in a corner and hope the gov dosent take away any more of your freedoms if you dare to stand up for what rights are yours? THAT is the problem with this country today, spineless whiners who are afraid to stand up and call BS if theyre rights are being infringed upon.

Im not necessarily singing this guys praises, but I respect him for having the nuts to stand up for himself against officers who are obviously a little to big for their britches. I dont know this guy at all, but I appreciate what he did in the video, and MAYBE that will bring some CHANGE. Maybe the US Senate will decide upon tactics for the BP Agents that dont demand a citizen to be treated like hes a criminal, by aarogant cops who believe that everyone has to do what they say all the time.

You need to wake up bud, and smell the coffee. Im glad there are people like him out there, becasue if we all had your opinion, we'd be living in Russia right now.

Just MY opinion.

reply to post by romanmel

During this long confrontation I counted almost a dozen people on one vehicle making false arguments to try to detain an American citizen who displayed no reason for them to suspect him of any wrongdoing. All the while, at the border, illegals are swarming northward undetained.

so let me get this straight you think its a waste of time to have agents away from the border to catch the illegals that got across the border in areas that the border patrol has a hard time patroling?

also the best defense is a multi-layered defense. you put the majority of your players up front and then have a small group of players behind them to catch what gets through.

let me guess you want all the agents on the border and any illegal that gets through should be free to stay in the U.S. since they made it across the border? what about the CBP officers in the airports do you want them to stay in the airports or do you want them to go pyshically patrol the border?

the bottom line is The CBP officers are doing the best job they can with the small numbers of agents that they do have. your not happy with they job their doing? I'm sure they are hiring so why don't you join them on the border?

its easy to be an armchair quarter back like yourself but until you either do the job they are doing or cross the border on a daily basis and see the numbers of people and vehicles they have to deal with everyday and see the job that they are doing is impossible you just won't understand anything about it.

reply to post by weedwhacker


yes its rediculous to think he was a coyote, but it is not rediculous to think that he might have been smuggling contraband. you'd be surprised in the amount of drugs you can hide in a car! when he refused to answer any questions that gave the Customs and border patrol agents enough probable cause to refer him to secondary inspection (ie a closer look) when he refused to move his car over to the secondary inspection area that gave them even more probable cause and suspicion that he was hiding something.

I'm all for sticking up for your rights but there is a time and a place for it, and a border patrol checkpoint within 100 miles of the border is not the place. the CBP main role is to enforce federal immigration laws. and since the are federal law enfocement officers they have the authority to demand to see your drivers license if you enter the checkpoint in a car and proof of citizenship. If durring the time your in the checkpoint area they notice you have or are violating a local law they have the authority to detain you until they contact the local authorites for that area and they either say they are sending someone to take over or they tell the CBP officers to just let you go.

i don't know how many times i have crossed the border and the CBP officers had to let someone go for violating local law because the sheriff or local city cops were to busy to send someone to the border crossing or checkpoint.

Of course, a simple rolling down the window, they see you're 'white' and you don't have an accent....and they wave you on your way. Is THAT what you want? Because it treads dangerously close to a 'racial profiling' edge of the cliff.....

WEED whacker have you ever been through a border crossing or CBP checkpoint away from the border?

i have numerous times.

here are the basic questions i have been asked when crossing back into the U.S. from both canada and mexico

crossing the border:
hi how are you today sir?
are you a citizen of the U.S. sir?
which state do you live in sir?
what was your business in Canada or Mexico, business or personal sir? (even though 99% of the time when i crossed the border i was in a tractor-trailor so they new it was business)
How long were you in Canada or Mexico sir?
thank you sir have a nice day

CBP checkpoint:
Hi how are you today sir?
are you a u.s. citizen sir?
where are you headed today sir?
thank you sir have a nice day.

now granted i am white but i do have an accent. the majority of the CBP officers don't racial profile, if they did every mexican crossing the U.s. mexico border would be going to secondary inspection. Most of the CBP officers make their decissions on who goes to secondary by the persons body language. or by how cooperative you are during the primary inspection. If you give them a reason to suspect you then they will and you'll be refered to secondary inspection. this guy from the get go set off alarm bells to the CBP officers because he refused to answer any questions at all and started with the whoe am i being detained BS! From his own account he travels through there a lot he knew he wasn't being detained, he knew the CBP officers were within their authority to have the checkpoint set up, and to stop cars looking for illegals or contraband smuggled across the border.

He also knew that if he just answered their basic questions he would have saved himself, the CBP officers and everyone in line behind him a lot of time and hassles.

reply to post by weedwhacker

Back to now. IF these checkpoints are detemined to fight Mexican, or other illegals coming thru Mexico....then WHY are checkpoints arranged randomly along Inter-State Highways that run generally East-to-West???

Why not focus on the routes that are North-South? I mean, not every point along I-8 has a connection to the South, into Mexico....does it?

i know of 2 checkpoints on I-35 north of the Mexican border. And the checkpoints that are on the east west highways are in Arizona and new Mexico. they put them on Interstate 8 because it is the closet road to the border in parts of Arizona and new Mexico. those ares are mostly desert and mountainous. and are not very populated.

the coyotes and the smugglers use those areas to cross the border because they are very lightly patrolled on the ground. they are patrolled by the air. they send the illegals and smugglers through the dessert to an area south of I-8 were there are trucks waiting to pick them up an transport them to other areas in the U.S. or through the U.S. to canada.

reply to post by Mercenary2007


Using your logic, why stop at 100 miles from the border. Why not a 200 mile post, then a three hundred mile post, then a four hunded mile post, then..... For God's sake capture them at the border. That is where the crime has taken place!!!

This type argument can only lead to invasion of American citizen's cars and homes for a crime that took place at the border. If your "officers" are so incompetent that they can't arrest an illegal at the border, then maybe one should consider getting a new batch of officers.

Posted by Mercenary2007
the bottom line is The CBP officers are doing the best job they can with the small numbers of agents that they do have. your not happy with they job their doing? I'm sure they are hiring so why don't you join them on the border?

its easy to be an armchair quarter back like yourself but until you either do the job they are doing or cross the border on a daily basis and see the numbers of people and vehicles they have to deal with everyday and see the job that they are doing is impossible you just won't understand anything about it.

I'm all for sticking up for your rights but there is a time and a place for it, and a border patrol checkpoint within 100 miles of the border is not the place.

Really??? So you'd have us believe that we have to be a cop before we can question their authority, we cant activate our rights as free citizens of the USA under the Constitution at any time, for any reason, to any one? BS man. It is highly strange of you to claim that noone has a right to protect their freedom unless theyve worked as an officer of the law.

And this little comment, I'm all for sticking up for your rights but there is a time and a place for it, and a border patrol checkpoint within 100 miles of the border is not the place ARE YOU FOR REAL?

WE CANT STAND UP FOR OUR RIGHTS IF WE'RE WITHIN 100 MILES OF THE BORDER? WOW. Thanks for that enlightening comment

Come on people, dont forget what it means to be free.

[edit on 19-4-2009 by treemanx]