When you live down here in a border state one thing you learn real fast... Don't mess with ICE/Border patrol agents... They can hold you as long as they want until you can prove you are a US born citizen... Just a drivers Licence isn't going to cut it, DL's can easily be faked or forged....

This guy is just stating his rights and they mess with him until they are eventually told by their superiors to let him go. You can see that they want to break his window and drag him out on the street and beat him senseless. That camera probably stopped them from doing it.

You dont have to prove anything to them as long as you stop. He never shows his ID and they have to let him go. Just shows what knowing your rights can do for you.

The US constitution doesn't apply within 100 miles of the border? Pfft! This guy is really switched on, he knows his rights but the pigs won't admit they're in the wrong. Probably just bored and looking to cause a fuss.

I can remember not too long ago (10-20 years?) when i heard people saying the IMF and World Bank were being used as tools by the New World Order and that they were going to collapse the economy to bring about a one-world government and one-world bank and that the constitution was going to be suspended. Of course, at the time i thought they were nuts. But if you read the documents from the CFR and the Trilateral commission, their own internal documents have expressly laid out their plans since the 1970's. I wish i had woken up a lot sooner, and that others had as well. Seeing these gestapo style "papers please!" checkpoints in the US makes me think it is already too late.

If you knew you only had 6-9 months of freedom left, how would you spend it?

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Originally posted by DaddyBare
They can hold you as long as they want until you can prove you are a US born citizen...

What happens to American Citizens who werent born in the US? Do they have less rights?

lol It's always kinda scary for those kind of citizens to get stop by a cop or something, since most of them dont know if those rights apply to them or what

Originally posted by prjct

ya know...i watched in dismay when I first saw this clip yesterday and then found that the pastor seems to be purposely doing this in order to??? The ?? are purposely from me as it seems he also has an agenda and there are more then just two videos of him floating around - each one showing nearly the same scenario - guy gets stopped at a checkpoint - guy resists - guy eggs on the patrol - guy gets smacked by the patrol...or sumum like this........now for sure the the patrol dudes were way out of line - at least from what we've all seen, yet the "pastor" seems to be a bit out of line himself.....

eh?


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Are you suggesting that this guy is some sort of masochist? Just a thought. But then again maybe he's doing it as a sort of demontration of how easily the cops will lose their cool and act illegally?
Strange way of doing it in any case.

First They Came - Pastor Martin Niemoller

First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist

First they came for the Socialist And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist

First they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist

First they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

This is SO awesome! This guy deserves recognition of the highest order! I always thought knumb chuks were very illegal to have, especially on an member of an officer? I do know,all yuo have to do is be cuaght with knumb chucks, and yuor under arrest, so why dosnt this apply to our public servents?
However, i always thought border patrols agents have hte right to search yuor vehicle, especially if they use 'dogs'? It is VERY suspiscous, this was 100 miles inland, on american soil...so that part, leads me to belive this is federal harrasment. The agent with the glasses, he loks like a moron.
I wanted to reply to this, regarding city cops. A city next to me, New cannan CT, the cops are klnown to be strict. A woman that i was frequenting last year, around movember, shed drive to my home around 11 pm. One night, on the boarder of my city and the next, they had a checkpoint set up. SHe had a bad knee, and had one of those Futuro knee braces on. The cops MADE her get out of her car, ask her questions, and walk the white line. SHe had NO alcohol or drugs on her. Her eeys were red, but thts because it was past her bedtime, to come see me. She was african american, so to me i took it as it was racially motivated on the cops behalf.

on "V DAY"those outpost will be empty..the enemy of my enemy is my friend..think about it..i'd like to see someone with a really strong throwing arm sneak out in the desert and 'TEABAG' them from long range..then sneak off..this might scare the "TEA"out of volunteers for this work...LONG LIVE HENRY BOWMEN>>>

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I want stronger border patrol and I want them to detain people that are suspicious. On the other hand, I want privacy rights. The problem here is that these agents are just people doing what they think is what they're supposed to do even though they may not understand fully their jobs (just as many, many American workers do). Then comes this guy who doesn't go along with the norm. Honestly, it would make me suspicious of him and I wouldn't want to let him through. And, I can totally understand their frustration. I'm not at all sure what this guy is doing is helpful, at all.

While I'm not a proponent of excessive use of force or intimidation...

The pastor was being a bit of a jerk, the kind of behaviour that smacks of disrespect and being unwilling to be cooperative - and yeah, that sets off red flags for border checkpoint guys.

The fact he was videotaping the incident smacks of intent to "create a scene" and almost guarentees he was TRYING to illict a negative response.

Careful pastor - you might just get what you're after. Oh wait. You did. And now you have the limelight as a "victim" while denying your responsibility as part of a greater American Collective.

Yay. No wonder our country is going to crap in so many areas. Everyone wants respect and rights, but seem to think law enforcement isn't deserving of the same considerations.

These videos are a joke, and symptomatic of a class of people I not only wish to distance myself from - but also pray I'm never behind in line at one of those checkpoints. They hold things up, create drama and just make the agents on duty even more angry, suspicious and intolerant of citizens....which leads to further instances of unfair behaviour and bad treatment of average people. Vicious cycle.


And Interstate 8? One of the main routes for drug trade, human smuggling etc...

Just be polite, roll down your window four inches, answer the questions and keep the line moving.



*edit for minor dyslexic tendancies


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Very interesting video. I would be really interested in watching video of the rest of his trip. I am pretty much sure that they wouldn't allow it to end there, I am thinking 4 miles down the road he gets pulled over by state troopers and harassed a little more and perhaps more forcefully.

* reply has been reposted from another thread, since it's also applicable to this thread *

I was passing through the San Clemente check point northbound on I-5 one night and a U.S. Border Patrol agent asked me, “What are you smiling about? … do you think I’m funny?"

Then he starts banging on the quarter panels of my pickup truck with his night stick. He had this real angry expression on his face. A dude with a short fuse, a tin badge, and a gun. Definitely not a good combination.

Seemed as if he was trying to get me to react. I just kept my mouth shut and didn’t say a friggin' word. There was no probable cause for his posturing, other than the fact that I entered the check point with a smile on my face.

We’re still living in the dark ages. Hopefully videos like this one will wake the American people up, before it’s too late.

Peace on Earth!



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