Creepy conclusion: We are alone!

reply to post by Malcram


Exactly right,

This is a good post because it shows that most so called skeptics and debunkers want to believe that extraterrestrials don't exist. This is why they talk in absolutes.

I don't know why they fear the existence of extraterrestrials but they do. So much so that they are 100% sure that they don't exist. This is very silly but the reason why they want to be so sure is because this assertion supports their belief.

We come to know alot of things through evidence and reason.

There's evidence that extraterrestrials exist and we can weigh that evidence within reason. So called skeptics and debunkers speak in absolutes because their scared of something or their simply in a state of belief.

You can't be 100% sure that extraterrestrials don't exist because:

We don't know what constitutes 96% of the universe.

The universe could be a holographic or a simulation.

We may be connected to an infinite number of universes within a multiverse structure.

We may exist in 4, 5, 11, 23 or more dimensions.

We don't know the origin of life.

We found liquid water on Mars and NASA see's signs of microbial life.

Plasma Crystals may be a lifeform.
science.howstuffworks.com...

Extremophiles can exist in places you don't expect to find life.
www.dailygalaxy.com...

Why do you think NASA is spending Billions to send up satellites to search for life like the recent Kepler?
kepler.nasa.gov...

There could be over 100 billion earthlike planets in the galaxy and scientist are discovering life can form in various conditions.
news.nationalgeographic.com...

You then have eyewitness accounts, mass sightings, trace evidence, alien abduction cases, pictures, video, paintings, cave paintings, ancient manuscripts and more.

For all these reasons I have reached the conclusion that extraterrestrials and or extradimensional beings exist but it's for this reason that I can't be 100% sure.

Like I said, the so called skeptic and debunker is operating from a belief system. Belief wants to be absolute.

Originally posted by UFOexisist

Originally posted by mystiq
Smoking gun evidence cannot be allowed to exist unless there is disclosure. But witnesses to ufos and the visitors exist, some of them are highly credentialled, and some of the grass roots one are on ATS even. This is not something thats going to go away either, just because you've decided to come to an opinion which is all this is that you've offered.

What if the disclosure is: Hey they don't exist it was just us with our secret planes. You would not suppose to know at that time?

Witness could be credential, but there is still no proof. And it is about proof and not about witness.

[edit on 17-4-2009 by UFOexisist]

I'm one of those grass roots experiencers, my whole family is though the only one who has had missing time and remembers a a little is my 17 year old. I know I've gone through and trust myself far beyond anything that could ever be released by the "officials", in other words depending on what they release, I'll be deciding on it. As an experiencer I can't force another person to believe because they don't allow smoking gun evidence. I believe its top protocol procedures to very sensitive information, far beyond our own international stuff. But there are enough people coming forward now including incredibly interesting files and memos between government officials in their release of their files that to not add it up and connect the dots is not natural.

I don't know if you have come to this conclusion as your own or for some other questionable reason, but if on your own, then you should truly attempt a search that will probably bring some results. I do have recommendations, about things that might increase your odds of discovery yourself. To begin with however, there is the possibility, as with many of the skeptics, or psuedo-skeptics (sorry skyfloating), that you already are an experiencer with memory blocks. So some of the work that would up your chances of a personal discovery may also reveal this to you.

Working with dreams and memory. Developing lucid dreaming if you have the potential (I did before my thryoid quit now this is harder for me). Working at meditation, hemisync may help. Escpecially TM type meditation or anything that helps you develop the zen of the moment, or mindlessness.
Analytical overlay is a different part of the brain from where we get our inspirations and psi stuff. Developing mindlessness or zen is important. Looking at et script, or perhaps Jim Spark's et script may help activate memories that are hidden, as there is a protocol used there by greys in particular. Setting intentions before sleep or meditation.

Now, skywatching is good. Skywatching with the intent to be heard about the world in general, and the plight of people who are suffering from the abuses of the governments, the cartel and the dog eat dog systems by the billions, the plight of nature and the animal kingdom, the ecostructure of the planet, any possible dangers our planet or humans may be facing that could threaten our race, the MC, we all experience, etc etc etc. The main thing is not to just ask for a whole bunch of cool technology. Reporting for active duty! Asking for what you can do to help this world and its people! Thanking them for giving you hope that there are advanced worlds. I believe that anyone doing this will have some discoveries.

Of course there is investing in some infared equipment too if you can!

[edit on 18-4-2009 by mystiq]

Originally posted by platosallegory
reply to post by Malcram

 

This is a good post because it shows that most so called skeptics and debunkers want to believe that extraterrestrials don't exist. This is why they talk in absolutes.

I don't know why they fear the existence of extraterrestrials but they do. So much so that they are 100% sure that they don't exist.

Bull***

If you take the time to read some of the skeptical posts round here, you will find that the word "probably" is used quite often.

I'm not surprised you've posted here and that you've posted in your usual manner against skeptics using the same tactics as a religious believer....but it was "probably" inevitable.

Skeptics don't have to prove anything...they just don't believe in something unless there's proof and they question everything without it!

No E.T. proof....no E.T....yet.

Is that a fact or not? but as a skeptic, I'm ready for revalation and open to perspectives that prove otherwise........just ain't seen 'em yet!

[edit on 18/4/2009 by nerbot]

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

ED: Life killing radiation in space is a fact.

Ironic that the thing that probably spawned this magic also kills it if it leaves it's "nest".

Nice post, thanks.

Tesla....don't you wish HE was here with his own "conspiricy master" forum?

After reading his many letters to the New York Times it is evident
that he was quelching many erroneous or conspiracy backed writings
saying he was wrong.

On some I which I knew what the offending publication was.
He really went into some of them for what they said about him.

On a lighter note I viewed the rest of video putting the rest that the
propulsion system being erroneous.

Peenemunde is the suspected as saucer plant as well as V2 plant.
The destruction of all parts is true as the plans were taken along
with the engineers. One part from 1943 may remain in the possession
of Bill Lyne and may appear on "UFO Hunters" as he had a video
session with them.
Henry Stevens talked about the Epp saucer as his book covers a number
of disk planes. He also knows Bill Lyne and the field propulsion saucer
as he has presented a FOIA interview with the FBI how a flight took off
nearby as his garden mower shut down and a guard said to wait till
the craft left the area.

Air defense aginst the saucers was not an issue as the US had the
plane and craft most likely in New Mwxico.
The Bison, Bear and Muskrat were the problem as they flew above
the air defense system.
(These Russian planes are their own conspiracy theory perhaps
being from designed in America but developed in Russia and
somehow being escorted back to Minnesota one day.)

Special Projects can be assigned to equipment when full control
is needed.

The AVRO projects can be seen by any one as unflyable and
I would suspect a secret Canada program taking the funds for
the true saucer project as the Mickalak sighting in Canada
might indicate.

The Gulf Breeze coil is on the right track.
A flat coil vibrating at much higher voltage will look like that.
There are lights around the sides might be possible Tesla bulbs
that are sillilar to those in Tesla's so called Radient Energy
Patent. Which no one seems puzzled about since they don't
use it, but there should be voltage on the target plate.
However just one big coil might be all you need to sail around
the air or perhaps high altitude.

Originally posted by UFOexisist
I am sorry to crash your dreams, but this is the truth. And the truth sometimes hurt. I know life is boring but you have to face it if you want to know the truth.

Truth is a poison of the mind - whenever you find it - remove it, and replace it with doubt. Those who know the truth no longer have to ask any questions, or consider alternative ideas.

I can give a lot better 'proof' than you have why aliens can't visit Earth.

1. Our galaxy alone is (about?) 120,000 light yrs across.
2. Radio hasn't been around long, maybe 150 yrs (?) So any aliens would have to be very nearby, like 150 light years away or less - reducing the probability a great deal.
3. Intelligent aliens would have to receive a signal from us, have the technology to understand it, and want to visit us.
4. If they did try to visit, they would likely be constrained to conventional speeds - in other words it would likely take them hundreds of years to get here even after they got our signal.
5. Therefore we can hardly expect any intelligent aliens to arrive here for a very long time yet

Here's my rebuttal;

1. Aliens who were already here hundreds or maybe millions of years ago wouldn't need to receive our signal
2. Aliens that had been here for a very long time would understand our capabilities very well, and could remain hidden easily
3. Advanced aliens would have access to genetic engineering techniques, and would have had time to infiltrate our society

I can't say if aliens are visiting or here or not, but the moon is a very strange object - and could easily be an alien generation ship that arrived here thousands of years ago,.

Sightings of UFO's could easily be either government projects or alien ships or both - the secrecy surrounding either would prevent us from knowing.

The universe is large enough to hold any answer - at this point I am reserving my judgment. I do believe that a great many secrets are being kept - in flight technology, fusion power and genetic research.

If alien ships appear in the sky and start zapping people, I still would not draw the conclusion that they exist - even if little gray men got out of those ships. I think the elite controllers of the world have a very good reason to engineer an alien attack or contact - to throw the worlds populations together under a single government.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Amagnon]

reply to post by nerbot


Its a fact that there is no outright proof of ET's existence yet (of which I have seen anyways), but that is certainly not proof that intelligent lifeforms dont exist elsewhere in a vast universe, which was claimed by the OP.


[edit on 18-4-2009 by Horus12]

This thread proves that the 'how to start a 100 page thread about nothing' ability is still alive and well on ATS.

All the OP has done is try to force his unproven opinion down people's throats and then disappeared while the posts pile up, only to come back and stir the pot a bit more.

This is called baiting. I fell for it, and so did many others.

Think for a minute; what is this thread really achieving? What are we learning?

Nothing and nothing.

So for the sake of not letting baiting trolls win this is my last post in this thread... and I hope other people read what I have said.

reply to post by Perseus Apex



My neighbours are doin: well/not so well/very good/extacticly good thank you! They all have various individual feelings / thoughts / things happening to them.

When one wants to know Secret Knowledge, one should start knowing what is in your heart and what you can do for / mean to others.

Today we had to call the police because one of the neigbours fell on the floor and we heard that. She's over 80 years old. We know ALL our next door neighbours, those across the street and even a lot of our block.

Guess I'm ready to meet Aliens now?

reply to post by nerbot


Nerbot your not making any sense.

There's plenty of evidence that supports the ET hypothesis.

You can't prove the origin of life. Prove that your not a hologram or a simulation.

Prove that the universe is not a quantum computer or that parallel universes exist.

The things that I listed are supported by Professors from M.I.T. to Oxford, yet they don't have "proof" that these things exist.

They have evidence that they can weigh within reason just like there's evidence that we can weigh to build the ET hypothesis.

The problem with so called skeptics and debunkers is they abandon reason in favor of their pre-existing belief.

Nerbot, you don't know if you have an objective existence. This universe could be caught in a time loop that keeps repeating itself.

My point is, in this vast, uncertain universe you don't know. To act like your 100% sure that extraterrestrials don't exist like the OP suggested is just silly.

Originally posted by nerbot
Bull***

Skeptics don't have to prove anything...they just don't believe in something unless there's proof and they question everything without it!

No E.T. proof....no E.T....yet.

The statement that ETs "do not exist" is an absolute claim. Claims require proof. There is no proof for this. Therefore it's a belief presented as a "fact". This is something a true skeptic would never do. Yet you support it.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Malcram]

Originally posted by Amagnon


I can give a lot better 'proof' than you have why aliens can't visit Earth.

3. Intelligent aliens would have to receive a signal from us, have the technology to understand it, and want to visit us.
4. If they did try to visit, they would likely be constrained to conventional speeds - in other words it would likely take them hundreds of years to get here even after they got our signal.
5. Therefore we can hardly expect any intelligent aliens to arrive here for a very long time yet
.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Amagnon]

3: There have been messages sent by ' us ' (humans) and received. There have been at least 2 recorded messages from Outer Space, namely
the 'Arecibo message' (Google it!) was beamed into space one single time back in 1974! And the Cassini passing Saturn recorded musical notes!

www.space.com...

www.seti.org...

In 2001 we got an ANSWER! Two new crop formations were reported near Chilbolton radio telescope in Hampshire, UK.

www.cropcircleresearch.com...

Pictures Chilbolton taken by Lucy Pringle
www.lucypringle.co.uk...

www.lucypringle.co.uk...

Musical notes:Cassini received radio signals when it passed Saturn
www.youtube.com...

4. Conventional speeds? Sorry but IF you think that what we know of on Earth right now, like science & speed, try to think in a Quantum theory and a field of other opportunities opens.
Did you know that human toughts even travel quicker then the so called speed of light? What IF we manage to overcome all the ´space´ between f.e. planets? We do not know yet but its likely other more advanced civilazations do know.

Why are there so many man/made UFO/like vessels? Why did we back engineerd and from WHAT?

5. I´m sorry that you don´t dare to imagine that ´they ´ have been here since no man can remember. They, from which a lot of people have part of their DNA, are intelligent enough not to take any risks with humanity, that are still living and thinking in terms of greed and war.

reply to post by UFOexisist


the problem with the argument that states oh aliens cannot come here because its too far to travel. This is a classic case of we we canot do it so they must cannot do it. BAh think out of the box. Too much evidence to suggest other wise, some ufos sightings are nutters, some are defense projects run by our militaries, but some are definately ets. The universe is massive and the fat they there plents like our out there suggests the probablitiy of life on them is quite high. Just because we cannot travel yet, does not mean they cannot, too many high ranking witnesses from admirals, to police officers have seen them.

reply to post by UFOexisist


Most excellent post ever! I hope that the UFO nuts read this and comprehend the reality. There is a very simple answer to the UFO craze and you have given the best explanation I have ever heard. Thank you, and many stars!!!

reply to post by Melissa101


Can you prove the supposed "reality" of the OP?

The OP is pure speculation, so I'd love to see you - or anyone else who has supported the OP - provide proof that ETs more advanced than humans definitely do no exist, as was claimed.

[edit on 18-4-2009 by Malcram]

if thats the reality you want to live in..

so many demand "proof" from believers

yet i ask you, what constitutes evidence?

its a matter of personal experience and perspective

abductions and contacts are happening world wide

to millions of people, these people do not need proof

because we know it is happening, and inform without prejudice

Creepy Conclusion: ATS has been infiltrated by disinfo

I have being reading the believers posts. You disagree with the op yet offer no hardcore facts to back up your claims. The facts are simple- no proof means no et's. Unless there is some evidence that you people have that the rest of the world does not have, how can any of you make such wild claims such they are abducting you or they have visited you. The Op gives his opinion that counters all of you. You have all only basically said I believe and that is all that matters. It sounds more and more like a religious cult. Even people who believe in the ficticious story that is the bible can offer people proof of thier beliefs. Does that mean that thier proof is as valid as yours or are you going to contradict yourselves.

The product of family wide abductions is somewhat true, the government does take families at times if they offer a something they need to experiement on but it is rare. Most of the family abductions is a very simple trick, take one and leave false memories, then they will unknowingly lead the rest of thier family into believing they too have been abducted. It is not a hard trick and is used by mentalist all the time.

[edit on 19-4-2009 by da_beast_666]

reply to post by da_beast_666


You are possibly the most hypocritical poster I have ever seen on this website.


I have been reading da_beast_666's posts. You disagree with other people's opinions and beliefs yet offer no hardcore facts to back up your claims. The facts are simple - the OP offers an opinion based on a belief not too dissimilar to those he is so vehemently attacking.

Unless there is some evidence that you have that the rest of the world does not have, how can you make such wild claims such as knowing a definitive answer to the contents and inhabitants of the Universe. The Op gives his opinion... full stop. You have basically said I believe and that is all that matters. It sounds more and more like a bad troll. His intent is to bait members into biting back at his arrogant and self-absorbed remarks.

I could keep going but I think you get the idea. Your opinion is no more true than any of ours. You have no proof that Aliens do not exist somewhere. You can't prove a negative.

You couldn't prove the existence of Gorilla's 200 years ago because they weren't known to science. Just because something has not been found and jammed under a microscope does not mean it doesn't exist.

Feed me another troll please.

[edit on 19-4-2009 by fooffstarr]

reply to post by fooffstarr


It is like I have said before. I tell you the truth, yet you people refuse to hear it because the fantastic is more entertaining than the truth. It is true, I offer no evidence nor will I ever or am allowed to. I was told you can tell the people all you want and the fact of the matter is not one person will believe. All I can do is wait for the governments to come forward with the truth, so I can yell, see I told you. I doubt that will ever happen because of the nature of what they are doing and the fallout that would come from the outrage of the people. Then again, I don't condemn them because I agree with the methods that they use to better mankind. The cost of life is not that important when you consider the big picture.

[edit on 19-4-2009 by da_beast_666]

reply to post by da_beast_666


More opinion.

You can't offer proof of your claim because it doesn't exist.

Wanting to believe doesn't matter. At the moment there is more evidence pointing to something strange in the skies than your opinion.

So either offer up complete, infallible proof in your next post that Aliens never have, and never will exist or admit you are wrong. If you can't, than I suggest you retract the statements where you say your opinion is fact. BECAUSE IT ISN'T.



[edit on 19-4-2009 by fooffstarr]

Originally posted by fooffstarr


So either offer up complete, infallible proof in your next post that Aliens never have, and never will exist. If you can't, than I suggest you retract the statements where you say your opinion is fact. BECAUSE IT ISN'T.

Umm ok, only if you do the same. Offer me infallible proof in your next post that Aliens have and do exist. Plus it is not my opinion, it is fact, but hey you don't want to believe and would rather believe in fantasies then that it your perogative. I have no doubt that alien life most likely exists out there but visiting us, sorry but no.