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Russia's Medvedev warns NATO over Georgia war games

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posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Russia's Medvedev warns NATO over Georgia war games


www.reuters.com

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Dmitry Medvedev warned NATO Friday that planned military exercises in Georgia were an attempt at muscle-flexing by the Western alliance that could hinder efforts to mend ties.

"This is the wrong decision, a dangerous decision," Medvedev told a news conference at his state residence outside Moscow.

"Decisions of this kind are aimed at muscle-flexing," he said.
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Not suprise at all - that NATO is back in Georgia - because of Israel.

- US and its allies should stay out from Georgia, and its totally insane leadership... I am not suprised that country which just attacked against Russia and Ossetia, is under deep consern of Kremlin... And they do know where this is leading.

I think that Zionists are making again that same episode, taking Georgia as their vasal, but which was ruined last time and Israels capability to strike Iran using Gergian airfields was lost - but that motor is now running again.

I think drill is just excuse to import suplies and troops to Georgian soil for same purpose as last time - Big Showdown with Iran is coming, and theathtre is widening to Caucasus.

Disarm Israel Now - and world is better place for all of us!



www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 10:05 AM
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This has nothing to do with Israel.

In fact right now Israel has been getting closer ties with Russia due to signals sent by the Obama adminstration.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Funny how "SOME" people make up things and post them as facts.

(Isn't that against T.A.C.


I read the article fully and there is "NO" mention of Israel in it.


That is nothing more than a "persons" clearly unsupported lies and bias.


As Mike said, there has actually be slightly closer ties with Russia...
Israel is selling X amount of unmanned drones to Russia...

If Russia wants NATO to appease Russia by not arming/training/war games with (European) Georgia, then perhaps they should stop providing Iran nuclear tech... seriously.

If Russia wants other countries/organizations to work with them, then they need to work with other countries/organizations

[edit on 4/17/2009 by mrmonsoon]

[edit on 4/17/2009 by mrmonsoon]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 11:31 AM
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I would advise Medvedev that permanent occupation of Georgian sovereign land by Russian forces is more than "muscle flexing", for example. As such, do not throw stones...



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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the same troops that are protecting russian citizens - the same russian citizens that Georgia tried to exterminate - en masse.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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If Russia wants NATO to appease Russia by not arming/training/war games with (European) Georgia, then perhaps they should stop providing Iran nuclear tech... seriously.


Takes one to know one.

As long as the West continues backing a fanatically loyal puppet like Saakashvili right on Russia's doorstep (whom the majority of Georgia want to see step down btw) then they're fully justified in defying any of NATO's or America's wishes in my mind.

Don't act like NATO is an innocent party in all this.

The European Missile Shield, Estonian/Georgian/Latvian/Ukrainian NATO membership and the support of Georgia in the South Ossetian conflict are nothing short of Cold War-era, nostalgic tensions, that certain circles in Washington would love to see reignited.

Can't blame the Russians for being defensive here.


If Russia wants other countries/organizations to work with them, then they need to work with other countries/organizations




Likewise. See above.

For the past 8 years America and the West have been giving Russia nothing but sh*t for the smallest infractions in human rights or foreign policy or media coverage while Russia on the other hand has been completely mute in return, not taking the bait.

Did you hear Russia kicking up a stink about Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo or the NSA warrantless surveillance controversy or Drone attacks in Pakistan or Black sites or funding Iranian terrorist groups?

Hmm?

If somebody slips on a banana peel in Russia, the Western media jump down their throat like it's open season.

America on the other hand invades a country with absolutely no justification whatsoever, and Russia sits idly by and doesn't so much as whimper.

[edit on 17/4/09 by The Godfather of Conspira]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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I would advise Medvedev that permanent occupation of Georgian sovereign land by Russian forces is more than "muscle flexing",


And I would advise you that shooting down Russian aircraft and attacking Russian peacekeepers, WITHOUT provocation, is an act of war.

As such Russia is fully entitled to take any measures it feels necessary to prevent the Washington-wannabe of the Caucasus, Saakashvili, from restarting any future conflicts at the behest of his Western string-pullers.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by The Godfather of Conspira
And I would advise you that shooting down Russian aircraft and attacking Russian peacekeepers, WITHOUT provocation, is an act of war.


Russia's actions, going back years prior to the war of last summer, were very provocative, and illegal in some respects. The leadership in Georgia took the bait and acted brashly. Still, while Russia's initial actions against Georgia may have been justified, their prolonged and subsequent moves clearly show a premeditated expectation of hostility, even a desire for it. To establish what they have now, a conflict was needed. A permanent occupation of Georgian territory with the almost unilateral recognition of the two regions in question as independent nations is not sustainable, nor excusable. Furthermore, NATO has every right to send it's own "peacekeepers" (funny word by the way) and conduct business with Georgia as the free and independent nation that it is.

[edit on 17-4-2009 by WestPoint23]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon
If Russia wants NATO to appease Russia by not arming/training/war games with (European) Georgia, then perhaps they should stop providing Iran nuclear tech... seriously.


Russia helping Iran and NATO helping Georgia are not parallel events and should not be compared.

Georgia borders Russia; Iran is thousands of miles from Europe and half a globe away from the US - posing no danger to either.

Georgia innitiated hostilities when it attacked Russian peacekeepers that were sanctioned by the UN less than a year ago; Iran has never been at war with the US, and has not attacked the US military/citizens for at least 2 decades (if you consider that the bombing of US barracks in Lebanon was innitiated by Iran).

Russia is helping Iran with the Bushehr Nuclear Power station, which is unable to produce weapons grade uranium; The US assisted Georgia in obtaining artillery and missile systems which have directly engaged the Russian military during Georgia's surprise attack on August 7th.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Still, while Russia's initial actions against Georgia may have been justified, their prolonged and subsequent moves clearly show a premeditated expectation of hostility, even a desire for it.


No offence but NATO and the US in particular forfeited all of it's moral high ground when the US-led Coalition steamrolled Iraq and now 8 years later still can't come up with a half-decent excuse as to why they are there.

Russia didn't claim Georgia had WMD's now did they?

They're initial actions were fully justified and irregardless of your perceived justifications for any permanent occupation, Georgia became fair game when they decided to shoot down Russian aircraft and attack Russian peacekeepers without provocation.

They can take their medicine now.


A permanent occupation of Georgian territory with the almost unilateral recognition of the two regions in question as independent nations is not sustainable, nor excusable.




Amnesia?

[edit on 17/4/09 by The Godfather of Conspira]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
Russia's actions, going back years prior to the war of last summer, were very provocative, and illegal in some respects.


Well go on - provide some examples. What Russian actions? How were they provocative and illegal? And please don't quote the Georgian Information Ministry.

The Russian peacekeepers were sanctioned by the UN. The presence of the Russian peacekeepers in breakaway regions were AGREED TO BY GEORGIA, during the peace accords of the 90's. It was Saakashvilli who broke those accords, and demanded that Russian peacekeepers leave - and his actions were not upheld by UN or any international organization.

Finally the EU's own investigation, which was innitiated on Georgia's own behalf, concluded that overwhelming evidence proves that Georgia was at fault for innitiating hostilities on August 8th - actions which directly led to the war and Russian involvement.



There have been minor provocations from the side of the separatists. But there have been ongoing on a small scale for nearly a decade - and the Georgians carried out similar provocations. Both sides' peacekeepers largely ignored provocations from their respective sides - the same goes for Georgia.



Originally posted by WestPoint23
The leadership in Georgia took the bait and acted brashly.


The leadership of a country should know better than respond to minor provocations in an artillery barrage - killing peacekeepers of a country 30 times its size. If the leadership cannoy make sensible choices - then it does not deserve to lead a country or get international support.

Imagine of Serbia suddenly attacked Kosovo after a provocation by Albanians (which have been known to happen), and during a massive attack happened to kill dozens of US peacekeepers. What would the response have been?



Originally posted by WestPoint23
Still, while Russia's initial actions against Georgia may have been justified, their prolonged and subsequent moves clearly show a premeditated expectation of hostility, even a desire for it..


What are you talking about? Russia never advanced much further than Gori and Poti - less than 10-20 miles from the border with the breakaway regions. As soon as the war ended on August 13th, Russia allowed Georgian police back in to monitor the area. In 2 weeks Russian forces began a withdrawal, which was complete in under 2 months.

Expectation of hostility? Sure - Saakashvilli has been announcing desires to retake the breakaway republics for years. His army grew by 3 times in a about a year, and by August much of it was pulled to the border with the breakaway regions. And last but not least - Georgia held large military exercises with US weeks before the attack.



Originally posted by WestPoint23
To establish what they have now, a conflict was needed. A permanent occupation of Georgian territory with the almost unilateral recognition of the two regions in question as independent nations is not sustainable, nor excusable..


That is not Georgian territory as far as Russia is concerned - Georgia has relinquished its claims to it with its violent and brutal military actions. Neither Abkhazia nor South Ossetia are a part of Russia, or plan to become such.

Why do you think that Russia was so intent on "occupying" them? What the heck does Russia gain from them? The two miserly republics were as much a burden in the 90's as they are now. They have no oil or resources. They have nothing Russia needs.

Perhaps it was all nothing more than a payback to the West for Kosovo. A painful lesson - a lesson which is as much to blame on actions of the US as it is on Russia's.




Originally posted by WestPoint23
Furthermore, NATO has every right to send it's own "peacekeepers" (funny word by the way) and conduct business with Georgia as the free and independent nation that it is.


Nobody is arguing about "rights" here, and nobody is denying the fact that NATO has the right to do so.

What the arguement is about - is whether it is wise for NATO itself to be doing this. As a Russian I do not at all feel threatened by there exercises in any way. However they seem to convey a message that NATO wants to continue its somewhat aggressive standoff with Russia. If NATO wants to play these idiotic games - you will not find Russia trembling with fear. But why in hell does NATO want this? What purpose does it serve for NATO members? What benefits does NATO want to gain from it - and at what cost?



posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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Actually, they are exactly the same.

Everyone knows full and well, Georgia(european) is "ABSOLUTELY" no danger what so ever to Russia.
(Come on now, Russia aint what it used to be, but please).....

(Georgia sitting on Russia's border makes no difference in their clear lack of ability to do any harm to Russia. Is Russia so weakened that they actually fear Georgia, my, they have fallen farther than I thought.)

What you mean, of course, is that Russia sent tanks/troops/planes and such into part of Georgia.
Russia then militarily took over two enclaves of Georgia-just so happened to be the ones with warm water port's.


Iran is too cowardly to directly attack the US or it's allies, but they happily supply troops/training/bombs/guns/ammo to terrorists who do use it on US/Allies.

Russia "IS" stupid enough to be giving terrorist central(IRAN) nuclear tech.
(it is a short skip to continue this to the point of dirty bombs (don't need weapons grade material for that) or continue processing until they DO have weapons grade material.

My only hope is, if the Stupid Russians aid allows Iran to create nuclear weapons, they give one or more to chechnya to use on Russia.

I am not sure if they are actually that stupid or just playing the political game the russian empire loves to play



posted on Apr, 18 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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You are totally missing the point. Russia wants to keep nato as far as possible away from russia as possible. Whats wrong with that.

Look at a map of the region and you will see that usa is trying to surround russia, and you think russia should not be worried.

Just go and look, there are maps that show this.




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