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YouTube - Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 05:44 PM

YouTube - Baptist pastor beaten + tazed by Border patrol - 11 stitches

I told them I was a US citizen.
I told them I was on a business trip.
I told them I had no drugs or humans in the car.

That wasn't enough. They wanted to search the car, and I invoked my 4th amendment rights.


I was IN the United States!!! I had crossed no international border!!!

This occured on the night of April 14/15, 2009
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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 05:44 PM
The tyrants in government-agencies will abuse us for their bosses: Occultists, money masters; world-leaders. They do not serve us! We must abolish the fiat-Federal banks & their criminal-organizations. They're targeting innocent & harmless individuals.

We're must not accept their "New World Order" (which basically means, "More Tyranny & More Ridiculous Laws"). As long as we don't destroy the tyrants in government, they'll continue to treat us like cattle.

Let's: Stand Up! - Stand Strong! & Stand united against our common foes! United, we RISE & FIGHT for freedom (not religion & man-made institutions)!
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[edit on 16-4-2009 by News And History]

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 06:09 PM
edit...I watched the whole video and I still thing this guy instigated this. If you watch one of his other videos, he said as he was going through border patrol, he was asked where he was going and what he did for a living. Simple questions. The guy said he didn't have to tell them where he was going or what he did for a living. I really think this guy provoked this. That's what started it. He failed to mention that in the video the op posted. He in no way deserved to be tasered.

[edit on 17-4-2009 by virraszto]

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posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 06:24 PM
Well maybe because they had absolutely no business searching the car? It's kind of shame that so few people are aware of their rights and stand up to the facist authorities.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 06:25 PM
reply to post by virraszto

People who give up a little liberty for a little security, deserve neither and lose both --Ben Franklin (probably not exact, but gets the point across.)

[edit on 4/16/2009 by adigregorio]

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 06:39 PM
The border patrol recruits young people who are not familiar with the border. They get six weeks training, big guns and fast ATVs. They really come of half cocked much of the time, are often in trouble with the law themselves for drag racing on state highways in those ATVs...OK these are generalizations but from having observed at close range for decades, IMO they just are not properly trained nor held accountable....especially when it comes to the UDAs who they apprehend...many of these UDAs are carrying quite a bit of cash. There are many horror stories about the border patrol if you dig deeper.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:06 PM
Don't care he's a Pastor at all.

He's a US Citizen, he is a neighbor, he is a friend, a Son.

He should not be treated like this. You can't see me but I'm spitting in the general direction of the people who did this. (Monty Python, wasn't very close though)

But i'm being serious, it's a disgusting thought this occured, and this is the only one i've heard of, I have to presume there are many more.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:23 PM
reply to post by News And History

I think the police used excessive force. They should have warned him that they were going to tazer him and take violent actions if he did not leave the car. This doesn’t sound like worried cops who wanted to search a car under suspicion, it sounds like jerky cops who got pissed off at someone stating their rights and decided to teach them a lesson.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:26 PM
The fact that he's a Christian has no bearing on what I'm about to say. I'm not a Christian, in fact I hate pretty much all organized religion.

Americans: your government is way too big for its britches and you need to do something about it. The tea parties were great, you need to do more. Protect your rights at all costs.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 07:31 PM
I am afraid this same thing would have happened had he been pulled over on any public roadway. The police will follow you until you do something, such as weaving or going 1 or 2 miles over the speed limit. Then they when they want to search your vehicle, you will be abused.
Sad but true. And then something will be planted on you or in your car. All because you exerted your rights.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:33 PM
Well, this is the type of attitude you'd see from micro chipped cops, so what do you expect?

They can't think for themselves. Police are not what they use to be. Today, they are almost all micro chipped, and can no longer think.

It's sad, but what do you expect when the Elite are Nazi worshipers.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 08:50 PM
I will be curious to see how this plays out and I hope it gets plenty of media attention.
The more stories that get out like this about the authorities abusing their power without any recourse against those who abused their powers, the more this kind of thing will become expected and tolerated as typical.
I hope all of the officers involved see appropriate disciplinary action.

So, I have a question: What was the first thing this guy did to justify the actions the police took against him and his property?

Clearly, this guy didn't do anything that would cause a police officer to pull him over for any reason, so I would imagine there was no reasonable cause for ANY line of questioning.

They cite the sniffer dog...yet found no evidence. What now? "Oh, sorry dude, my bad...have a nice day..."?!?!

So then, I have to wonder what are my rights when being questioned at a roadside checkpoint in the US.
Am I required by law to respond to any questions I am asked? I can plead the 5th, right?

If the police have no reasonable cause to stop and search my vehicle, what law says I cannot refuse to answer their questions?
They're looking for dangerous criminals, right? Not people who don't answer their questions, so just because I challenge an officer on the validity/legality of their line of questioning, they can resort to sleazy strong-arming tactics?

Any police officers care to chime in?
After watching the guy's video, can anyone point out, presuming, of course, that he is telling the truth, 100%, where did this guy first break the law, and more importantly, what, if anything, justifies the police action taken against him?

[edit on 16-4-2009 by 4N6310]

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:18 PM
I'm sure this is not the last time we will hear of this incident. He should hire an attorney so that video evidence can be brought into court. We shall see what happens. I wish him the best and hope he prevails. They will try to charge him with everything and anything to make him compliant then offer him a "deal" so that he shuts up. They do that so that if you don't have a money tree in your back yard, you will comply eventually.

Sad sad state of affairs.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:20 PM
I would have done the same thing.

I wonder what he would be charged with?

This has been going on for a while but it has increased and is getting more recognition. He was well within his rights, and the police have again overstepped there bounds. I'm sure that they will be exonerated by the patriot act which allows this kind of crap.

All they will say is the dog made his signal and it's over. I would fight this all the way even knowing that you never win these battles.

People always say thing like why didn't he just let them search? NO I don't have to let them it's the 4th amendmend to the constitution, I don't have to answer a bunch of questions. They want to intimidate you into submission, this is as old as the uniform itself. More and more though they will just take it upon themselves to do whatever they were intending to do all along.

The problem is that even though it's wrong this guy will lose.

The bigger problem is that many will side with the cops without really thinking. To this I say wait until something like this happens to you. If you get in their sites you really don't have any rights.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:27 PM
So this is the thing...
We harass someone for no real reason -
yet we continue to let US businesses employ illegals by the thousands without being held responsible -
we continue to allow the illegal population to take advantage of social services,
health benefits - schooling - etc... in this country without holding anyone responsible -
I'm not against the illegals -
I'm just saying -

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:42 PM

Originally posted by virraszto
Why didn't the guy just let them search his car? If he had nothing to hide, why the problem? I didn't watch the entire post, but from what I've seen, this guy instigated the problem himself. When they were going to bust his window, they told him before hand, so why didn't the guy get out of his car then? It didn't have to end in his getting tasered.

I'll watch the rest of the video and may edit my reply.

I don't know why he didn't do that. Maybe because he has constitutional rights and doesn't want to give them up. Maybe because when I was asked by a sheriff if I would consent to an unwarranted search to my car I refused and asked him if he would mind if he had a camera installed in his living room, after all, he wasn't hiding anything was he? Dumb a$$ couldn't make the connection and held me there while a drug dog was called to sniff my car. No results from this search. Why did I refuse? Because it wasn't necessary. I was no threat. I am not known to be a druggie, or drug runner, or criminal in any way. No reason for suspicion at all. just because I had a burned out taillight was no reason to suspect me for being a criminal or terrorist. And besides, I didn't need to get somewhere that night in any hurry, and so if I tied up the police, well that was on them. It was a pleasant, warm night and I didn't mind standing at the side of the road at all. The stars were pretty that night. If they want to spend their time and county money on this crap. I say, let them. I will not be moved. True, I am a Ron Paul supporter. I am a veteran of Iraq. Ohhhhhhhhhhhh. That's bad........mkay? I attended a tea party on the 15th. ooooooooooooooooooooh. I am an evil extreme right winger.

I'm such a radical, eh? I support the U.S. Constitution............mmmmmmmmmm............that's bad..........mkay?

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:45 PM
reply to post by virraszto

Are you arguing that you don't care if we (or you) have any rights at all? The reason I ask is because if we do not stand up to the absence of our rights then we will end up with none.
What if the officers were abusing your rights further by taking sexual advantage of one of your family members? Would you still just say it isn't worth the trouble and that you shouldn't instigate something. Where do you virraszto draw the line and how do you keep it from slowly shifting from that point.
If these officers get away with it then they will continue to do such things (or worse. If nobody stands up too them then we will always have to fear what they will become. Then who will you call? What will happen to you and yours the next time you happen across a check point?
We must make those with authority consider there actions every time we encounter them or it will only get much worse.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:48 PM
In a nut shell, the government, at all levels, think they are our Rulers. Aristocracy. Nobility. Divine Right of Kings and such.

Every time we acquiesce, we confirm them in their mistaken belief. And every time we acquiesce, the cost of recovering our Liberty goes up. Soon, it will demand bloodshed - so let's get it back now while it's relatively cheap.

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 09:49 PM

Originally posted by virraszto
Why didn't the guy just let them search his car? If he had nothing to hide, why the problem? I didn't watch the entire post, but from what I've seen, this guy instigated the problem himself. When they were going to bust his window, they told him before hand, so why didn't the guy get out of his car then? It didn't have to end in his getting tasered.

I'll watch the rest of the video and may edit my reply.

What part of 4th Amendment do you not understand?
Oh wait, you're one of them...

posted on Apr, 16 2009 @ 10:03 PM
Documentation is a must..

Best things to have : phone numbers to Lawyers, Police (That you know) They can be called at the time.

The officer is (((Required))) To say what you are being charged for apon arresting you at that spot.. Not at the Police station or after being transported elsewhere.

Camera's, cheap ones are easy to buy, get everything when possible. Especially when being taken to a hospital.. Take Pictures before the hospital work and after.

Time: Always keep Direct account of time exactly, when at all possible.

See State/County Prosecuter when possible, and lay the line down hard. get a feel for how he/she is, then when released gather all documentation and evidence you have .. and depending if need, get a lawyer and see the prosecuter again. by this time with hard document/and evidence they will be more on sweating trying to get the case dismissed... or plea bargin.

Luckily i have had ability to call the police chief to my local county regarding laws anywhere in the state.. AKA. Police wanting to search vehicle without warrent.. and they where not happy with talking to the police chief on the phone, pretty much telling them to drop all charges then and there. They need solid evidence to search your vehicle. Them saying otherwise is outright lieing and breaking the law and expecting to get away with it on people that think they no defense.

Edit, What state/county prosecuters don't want to you to know, is they eat plea bargins monthly on People that do the research into thier laws and have direct complaints on officers clearly overstepping the law and thier bounderies. It's also a known issue.

[edit on 16-4-2009 by Bldrvgr]

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