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Obama wants to build a nationwide light rail system

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posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by justsomeboreddude
 


Neither government nor the market system is some magical entity that solves our problems. People keep talking like this stuff happens automatically, which is nonsense. We either use government as a tool to make things happen, or we flounder and get nowhere.

I didn't say shut down the military, I said shut down the Military Industrial complex. How about if we let private investors build democracies overseas.

Our original rail system wasn't built by investors, it was built with government funding, and the same is true for our Interstate highway system. Why in the world should we expect private investors to rebuild our nations infrastructure, when they didn't build it in the first place.

Once again, are we really that pathetic as a nation that we can not do what our ancestors succeeded at doing in the past?



I think letting private investors build democracies over seas is a great idea. Lets do it.

Our original rail system was built by private investors on land given to them by the federal government.

And:
Yes we are really that pathetic as a nation that we can not do what our ancentors succeeded at doing in the past. This is because we have let government create deevolution. Welfare encourages the stupid and lazy to procreate while taxes encourage the smart and hard working to produce less children because they realize it costs more money to have more children. Also, government has run up and continues to run up at an ever increasing rate massive amounts of debt. It costs like 12k to 15k a year to half educate a child in public schools, but you can send your kid to a private school for 2.5k to 8k and they will get at least twice the education.




posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Yeah, corporations certainly have moved manufacturing overseas, were they can turn the environment into a toxic waste land and pay slave labor wages, that way CEO's can pay themselves enormous bonuses. The problem with this is that as more and more jobs move overseas, less and less people here in the States have money to buy goods and services. The slave laborers don't make enough money to buy these products, so they move on to the next step, they loan people money to keep up consumer demand. Eventually people can't pay their bills, and all those overseas factories become useless, because no one can afford to buy what they produce. Short term, great profit for CEO's, long term, economic collapse.

Anyway, that is completely off the point. While U.S. companies have been moving overseas, European and Japanese companies have been investing in U.S. labor.

If the workers of the U.S. want to compete with overseas labor, than one of the ways would be to get our government to invest in our infrastructure here in our own country, which would work for us to attract investors into U.S. labor.

Rather than our government spending all of our money protecting the asset of International corporations in foreign countries.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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But what you dont seem to get is the cost of building a rail system gets passed on to these corporations in the form of more taxes, and coporations dont really like more taxes.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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Sorry, but who ever told you that government created the fed reserve banks pulled a fast one on you. These banks existed before the government contracted with them to manage our nations monetary system. The Fed Res was created with the same foolish ideas that people like Ron Paul advocate, letting corporations run our country.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:43 PM
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Also, the Europeans and Japanese invested in the American worker as a hedge against fluctuation of the value of their currency vs the value of ours.


[edit on 17-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:49 PM
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Nobody likes taxes. Everybody likes infrastructure. Corporations that can use our infrastructure will choose to do so, because without the infrastructure, they can't be very effective. Infrastructure more than pays for itself over the long term.

Stop thinking short term, and start thinking long term. Investment in the military industrial complex, good for CEO's short term incomes, bad for U.S. workers and the long term. Investment in infrastructure, good for U.S. workers in the long term.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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Nope, we also lent the people who built the railroads the money to build them. One investor tried to go it alone, and he went bankrupt. While this was done through a very corrupt process, eventually it paid off.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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There is a difference between loaning money and giving money away. If I remember right they were loaning money that they were paid back with interest.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:58 PM
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We already have some of the best infrastructure in the world. Right now we have better infrastructure then every county I can think of that we outsource work to. Better than Mexico, China, Vietnam, India, Indonesia, etc... So obviously infrastructure is not what attracts these businesses to move to these countries.

[edit on 17-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 01:59 PM
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ROFL Yeah.... apparently you don't know what the Federal Reserve Act is. Thats ok, neither does the majority of the country, all of which make ignorant statements like the ones you do. You're in good company.

Edit: Also, centralization of economic policy is not what Ron Paul advocates, but it is what you are advocating. Just to clarify.......

[edit on 17-4-2009 by aravoth]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:05 PM
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By the way, the same people who created the cradle to grave welfare system under Nixon, are also the same people who have worked to destroy our public schools, and told you that government can not do anything right, so that you would let them control everything through the magic of the invisible hand of the market.

It's too bad so many people have given up on trying to make our country a better place, and instead turned to begging corporations.

The only way to progress is through innovation, and our nations transportation system is in a serious need of being revamped, so why not entertain some innovative ideas.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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As far as your obsession goes with cutting military spending goes, once again I agree that the government needs to cut all spending..military and otherwise. I say lets move troops out of S. Korea, Europe, etc... Only leave the people out of country that need to be there to protect the country. I am fine with all of that. I am willing to sacrifice. They can turn the post office over to Fed Ex and UPS. They can minimize the Dept of Education and let the states manage their own schools. I am so fair I will even be ok if they want to shut down the IRS



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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Where do you think more money is invested? In nations with good infrastructure, or nations with poor infrastructure? Look it up, you will find far more investment is made in the developed countries with developed infrastructure.

Are you really implying our nation would be better off without our investments in infrastructure?



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
I just heard on the radio that Obama said he wants to build a nationwide light rail system. He said it was to alleviate congestion on the highways and because they have them in Europe and Asia. Guess we have to keep up with the Jones and the Chungs


I could see building one of these in highly populated areas like the East and West Coast, if it were done with private money. But how many people are going to ride a national light rail system? I dont know if he has heard yet, but they invented this thing called a plane a few years back. Also, if people did use this wouldnt if further devistate the Airlines. Is that good for the country?

Does he not understand that we dont have any money?



OH NOOOOO OBAMA IS BUILDING A RAILROAD! OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOO I THINK A COW IS GOING TO COME OUT OF MY #IN ASSSS AAHHHHHHH

DOESNT HE UNDERSTAND WE DONT HAVE ANY MONEY??? WAAHAHAHAHAAHHHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I THINK MY SACRUM JUST EXPLODED



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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By the way, the same people who created the cradle to grave welfare system under Nixon, are also the same people who have worked to destroy our public schools, and told you that government can not do anything right, so that you would let them control everything through the magic of the invisible hand of the market.

It's too bad so many people have given up on trying to make our country a better place, and instead turned to begging corporations.

Its just like I teach my kids.. You cant have every new toy you see on TV just because it looks cool and the kid down the street has one.

The only way to progress is through innovation, and our nations transportation system is in a serious need of being revamped, so why not entertain some innovative ideas.



So corporations destroyed our schools and made people who suck at being parents keep having babies? That seems like a really good move on their part. Stupid lazy people are good for coroporate profits because they are so productive.

I wouldnt say a highspeed rail system is innovative. Its just a train that is a bit faster. Now if they wanted to make our cars smart so they could drive themselves or institute that NASA flight system where the plane flies itself then I would call that innovative.

There is not even any proof that this rail system would be a success. Look at some of the examples people have given of light rail systems that were built in their cities.

[edit on 17-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
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Where do you think more money is invested? In nations with good infrastructure, or nations with poor infrastructure? Look it up, you will find far more investment is made in the developed countries with developed infrastructure.

Are you really implying our nation would be better off without our investments in infrastructure?


No i am not implying that. But I would point out that most infrastructure was built by private corps. Electric, natural gas, telecom, etc.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude





Im really just some bored dude who doesnt know what he's talking about. Please dont mind me.....................................................................

I also like to lick pensi and play with balls.

[edit on 17-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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Thanks for showing up and proving my case that our country is devolving due to welfare creating incentives for stupid and lazy people to reproduce.


[edit on 17-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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Thanks for showing up and proving my case that our country is devolving due to welfare creating incentives for stupid and lazy people to reproduce.


[edit on 17-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]


Likewise, im just here to inflect on your supreme arrogance. You really are just some bored dude arent you?

Get a life... if all you do is go around spreading little rumors about the president then you dont have one.



posted on Apr, 17 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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We could discuss what cuts need to be made to the government budget on another thread. You should try and make an effort to stick with the topic at hand. The military budget and medicaid are the biggest wastes.

Your whole argument seems to be that we shouldn't invest in a new transportation system because we are as a nation too incompetent to do anything any more. Maybe you might want to re-thinking things things over, stop listening to the voices telling you that we the U.S. is a basket case.

The Interstate system paid off enormously for our economy, revamping our nations public transportation system would be the smartest move we could make right now.



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