Obama wants to build a nationwide light rail system

Heavily tax people for every mile they drive and it will deter them from driving as much. They will be forced to use public transportation. Maybe this is the reason somebody in his administration had talked about taxing people that drive.

If a light rail across our nation was likely to be profitable, I would think that entrepreneurs would have gotten the ball rolling a long time ago.

Obama wants to build a nationwide light rail system, does he?

Where, exactly, is he crapping out all this money from?
I know for a fact the White House garden does not grow money trees.
Don't you think that Team Obama should check with China first?
Oh, wait, perhaps he should check with those 95% of American people who are allegedly not going to have their taxes increased 1 cent!

Someone needs to seriously jack-slap the wannabe king back into reality.

[edit on 16-4-2009 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by asmall89
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic

 

Yeah our shipping industry is failing... because our economy is failing. The problem with transporting goods with a high speed rail system is the terrain these trains have to go through out here. Up through curvy mountain passages with loads of snow. Yeah going real fast on an icy track is a great idea... It's like a car it's great if you can go fast but you got to be able to stop too. A 5 ton engine carrying tons of precious cargo going 120mph+ needs quite a bit of breaking power.

Yes there are improvements to our railway system we need, but replacing our already really good and well laid out system with another is a waste of money. They just need to update some of it thats all. High speed trains really have only one purpose, transporting people.

The shipping industry has been failing for years.

As far as terrain goes, the states of Oregon and Washington right now are working on tunneling under the columbia river(the fourth largest river in america by volume) to add another rail that goes from vancouver to portland. If this can be done, terrain is not a concern.

I still disagree that our railway is good. The only good thing about the system at this point is the length and intricacy of the tracks. Everything else about the system is antiquated.

There is plenty of documentation out there on the capability of HSR's in shipping, so I dont really need to get into that.

I think it is a good long term goal, but obviously economically it would be hard for a while But I think in the long run we would save money on gas, we wouldn't have car troubles, and plane tickets cost more then this system would, so all in all it would save us Americans money which is what we all want.

Somehow I bet if you did the math, it would be cheaper to buy all the airlines at their fair market value today and let everyone fly for free and give them all bus passes than it would be to build a nationwide light rail system.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic

 

Maybe we do need a highspeed rail system. I think when the government balances its books and saves enough money to pay for it with cash instead of debt then we can debate the merits of it. By then, if it is viable capitalists will have already built it.

I get your point, but I feel like you really dont understand economics....

Wow, the strange thing is I was thinking exactly the same thing about you. You have good intent but you dont really understand economics.

It's interesting, the people that talk about stopping spending and the such are the ones that generally accuse people of not understandig economics...I know I fell into that trap, but come on, money HAS to be spent. You can either spend it in handouts, or you can spend it on infrastucture....which is the ONLY proven way to turn an economy around.

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Money will be spent regardless. It is just better for people and buisnesses to make the choices on how to spend the money than it is for the government to take it from us and decide how they think it should be spent. The federal government employees 12% of the US workforce. That is insanity. If they cut spending and taxes by 25% this economy would light up like a Christmas tree.

Government doesnt make money they spend money. They are on the liablity side of the balance sheet.

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Green my a$$... by using "green" it has already started out deceitfully.

This is a good way to tighten control of our movement, easy for them to watch you this way.

I would say this is the same or worse than the NAFTA Super Highway, this too will go through the heart of the U.S. It could be used for cheap Far East goods as well..... On top of that they'll use it like the airlines, treat you like terrorist ect.... and 100x efficient and faster...


The high-speed rail corridors
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NAFTA Super Highway
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I look at it this way, if the greedy idiotic banks we have in this country continue not to give loans for car and truck purchases what in the heck are we gona do? If you don't have transportation to work your screwed! A new lightrail system is being built here in the Norfolk/Virginia Beach area of Virginia and it is keeping about 5 Road Construction Companies and my other half (he has a small business servicing 2 companies heavy equipment) working and bringing home a pay check! I think it will be great for people going to work, shopping, the beach, and attrack tourists which has fallen in this area and others around the country. And hey! If you want to go out and party across town or just down the street, you have transportation after having beers or cocktails I am all for it!!!!!!

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

It's interesting, the people that talk about stopping spending and the such are the ones that generally accuse people of not understandig economics...I know I fell into that trap, but come on, money HAS to be spent. You can either spend it in handouts, or you can spend it on infrastucture....which is the ONLY proven way to turn an economy around.

Actually I am for a rail system and improving the infrastructure, but the way this economy will be turned around will be with the lives and blood of the youth of America in another WAR. It worked in the past and it will work again. Break out the Flags, the bunting and the March music. Mark my words!! This is the pattern America uses; create an enemy and fire up the military industrial complex and let the money roll in.

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I think that it's kinda silly to say that we, the US, should build a rail system simply because they use them in Europe. I'll admit, I love riding in the trains over here but it makes more sense over here for several reasons.

1)The countries are smaller--maintaing the rail infrastructure isn't as difficult.

2)The individual countries are more compact--I can travel from northern Germany to Budapest Hungary relatively quickly on a train if I ride the right one. [The ride by car from Düsseldorf, Germany to Budapest, Hungary by car is nine hours, traveling at 90mph--that's the amount of time it takes to get from south Florida to Florida's westernmost tip!]

3)Owning a car is downright expensive here in Europe.

I've always thought that sheer size of America is one reason trains died out--I know I wouldn't want to be on a train for a week just to get to California! Even with the improvement in technology, I think that people would only use trains in the US if that train was going faster than the speed of sound [maybe an exaggeration] so that you're not wasting days of your life. Why take a train if you can fly there in a fraction of the time?

If a rail system is started again in America, I just hope that it's not government run. There is one train line here in Germany--Deutsche Bahn--and it's run by the government. It's well known that they manipulate the prices in ridiculous ways--a ticket can be 10€ one day and over 50€ the next, for no real reason. Since there is no competition, the customer service is garbage to--no need to be nice when your the only dog in town.

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There is this old fashion thing called saving and buying what you can afford. A person can either save up to buy a new car or save up to buy a used car that is within their budget. Oh yeah, I forgot no one in our country learned how to save money, and nobody could save money because a third of thier money goes to paying taxes. Never mind.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic

 

Money will be spent regardless. It is just better for people and buisnesses to make the choices on how to spend the money than it is for the government to take it from us and decide how they think it should be spent. The federal government employees 12% of the US workforce. That is insanity. If they cut spending and taxes by 25% this economy would light up like a Christmas tree.

Government doesnt make money they spend money. They are on the liablity side of the balance sheet.

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You do know what a mix of coporate and political control is right?

I am not one who EVER thinks putting money and power in the hands of the corporations is a good thing. Trickle down DOESNT WORK. The only way an economy grows is by the people, not by the government, not by the corporations.

I agree you can shrink gov't, but I dont see what that has to do with this topic. I mean, I am "technically" a government employee, because I work in a school with special ed kids. Should spending on me be CUT?

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There is no need for someone to crap out money. The need of money to get things done is just an illusion.

Who needs money to build this railway when you have control of the slaves (American People).

Originally posted by octotom

If a rail system is started again in America, I just hope that it's not government run. There is one train line here in Germany--Deutsche Bahn--and it's run by the government. It's well known that they manipulate the prices in ridiculous ways--a ticket can be 10€ one day and over 50€ the next, for no real reason. Since there is no competition, the customer service is garbage to--no need to be nice when your the only dog in town.

Amen to that. That is exactly what would happen if the government ran the train system. There would be one guy with an attitude problem taking your ticket while 8 guys stood next to him talking about who cut the biggest fart yesterday. All the while the ticket price would jump 50% per year or they would just let it loose money by the billions every year and say they have no idea how to make it break even. On top of that all those workers would get some ungodly pension plan and healthcare that no private company could afford to offer and they would be paid like 50k a year to do an $8/hr job.

[edit on 16-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

It's interesting, the people that talk about stopping spending and the such are the ones that generally accuse people of not understandig economics...I know I fell into that trap, but come on, money HAS to be spent. You can either spend it in handouts, or you can spend it on infrastucture....which is the ONLY proven way to turn an economy around.

Actually I am for a rail system and improving the infrastructure, but the way this economy will be turned around will be with the lives and blood of the youth of America in another WAR. It worked in the past and it will work again. Break out the Flags, the bunting and the March music. Mark my words!! This is the pattern America uses; create an enemy and fire up the military industrial complex and let the money roll in.

[edit on 16-4-2009 by whaaa]

You have a great point there.....it;s not just america however....and does anyone realize that NO land gains are made after modern wars? NONE. ZIP. ZERO. There is no other reason for them but money.

Originally posted by cautiouslypessimistic

You do know what a mix of coporate and political control is right?

I am not one who EVER thinks putting money and power in the hands of the corporations is a good thing. Trickle down DOESNT WORK. The only way an economy grows is by the people, not by the government, not by the corporations.

I agree you can shrink gov't, but I dont see what that has to do with this topic. I mean, I am "technically" a government employee, because I work in a school with special ed kids. Should spending on me be CUT?

A mix of political control, corporate control, and personal responsibility is necessary.

Its not putting money in the hands of corporations, its just not taking their hard earned money away from them. You know that money that they risked capital to make. That money that they reinvest in equipment or pay their shareholders or create more jobs with.

I dont mean any insult but we need to look at all government jobs and make the hard decisions on what needs to be cut in order for us to balance the budget and begin to pay off our national debt. Some people are going to loose out but its for the long term good of the country and ALL of its citizens.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Obama wants to build a nationwide light rail system

With whose money????? Oh that's right ... MINE!

He's already something like 3 trillion in debt so I guess he figures he can spend a few billion more and it won't matter.

We will all be slaves to the state.

Gawd .. wake me up from this nightmare.

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Oh lookie at the maps .. they all converge on CHICAGO. Obama is making sure his nefarious underworld buddies in Chicago get a piece of the action, and a piece of the pie.

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I am sure that is purely coincidental. Remember Obama is transparent. Its a new regime with new morals. He would never do something like that. Would he?